Pentecost celebrations (9 Viewers)
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TheRoyalScam
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Scam, I will believe in your dragon when he toasts me a mashmallow and not a moment before!
Don't be silly! Real fire-breathing dragons don't toast marshmallows
TheRoyalScam
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Sky Blue Pete
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Don't be silly! Real fire-breathing dragons don't toast marshmallows
Love it.
Josephus wrote about Jesus and the artefacts and proof of the manuscripts etc for the gospels is pretty damn good but yeah I don't like to waste people's time ultimately the leaps are made by faith.
All the arrangements went well I think so probably time to stop boring you all and annoying others
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TheRoyalScam
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Sky Blue Pete
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Don't be silly! Real fire-breathing dragons don't toast marshmallows
That sounds so dodgy!!!Right, I'm just off to feed the dragon
Ok I'll happily continue. Have enjoyed discussions with Otis. Hate that I made houch relive shit from his past though
Otis
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Indeed! Bout time you went and tried to convert some of those pesky Taliban types into Christianity and leave us normal folks alone!
TheRoyalScam
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Agree with you about Houch - have you read this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...arkest-chapters-in-irish-history-9503897.html?
Would this have happened in other circumstances, for example in a secular society? Possibly. The fact that it was done by the church makes my blood boil. The Catholic Church has a lot to answer for.
SkyblueBazza
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I think there is only one true GOD common to all of this world - MONEY.
Yes the Pope lives in a modest flat. Though well-intentioned, IMO this modesty is false as it's safely tucked up behind the vast wealth of the Catholic Church.
All religions operate via influence exerted at the highest administrative levels of society through the wealth they command rather than their following or sensibility...& at the social level largely through fear &/or guilt.
That having been said - there could be some sort of "higher being". Several Doctors & Nurses I know (& I know a fair few) witnessing the dying say that even the least likely candidates often turn to GOD in their dying words...in-grained, spooky, evidence of this GOD coming for their soul even in consciousness? Who knows? But the debate could run until the death of mankind itself.
PUSB
Yes the Pope lives in a modest flat. Though well-intentioned, IMO this modesty is false as it's safely tucked up behind the vast wealth of the Catholic Church.
All religions operate via influence exerted at the highest administrative levels of society through the wealth they command rather than their following or sensibility...& at the social level largely through fear &/or guilt.
That having been said - there could be some sort of "higher being". Several Doctors & Nurses I know (& I know a fair few) witnessing the dying say that even the least likely candidates often turn to GOD in their dying words...in-grained, spooky, evidence of this GOD coming for their soul even in consciousness? Who knows? But the debate could run until the death of mankind itself.
PUSB
Otis
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It could.
Funnily enough, one of the arguments on the Big Questions a week or so ago was that of theologians trying to blow a hole in the big bang theory and how the universe began. The question was what came before the big bang and then before that etc. etc. Where was the start and the start before the start.
Could flip that on its head though and ask where did God come from? What was before God? and if the answer is nothing, then how was God created out of nothing?
Otis
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Not when it's 35 miles away though.
Feels like we have literally gone from heaven to hell.
Houchens Head
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RoyalScam:
I believe in your dragon. Can I come and play with it or even take it for at walk? At the very least, can I pet it?
I believe in your dragon. Can I come and play with it or even take it for at walk? At the very least, can I pet it?
Houchens Head
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Have you seen the film, "The Magdelene Sisters"? Tells it like it was. The truth! Also another book you might like to read - my autobiography from aged 3 to 16. My shit childhood in care. http://www.lulu.com/shop/barry-adam...l;jsessionid=5927F33A3088094722F30B2042E6E237
Then ask yourself, is there REALLY a god?
I've said enough for now. All this crap about religion makes me so bloody pissed off!
Sky Blue Pete
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Millions don’t believe inJesus....millions do...everyone seems to believe different
things about him. So who’s right?
When a Christian says the gospel all about Jesus is true....how do they know?....how can they be so sure?.... is it just a matter of blind faith?
What is the evidence for Christianity?
Is Jesus just a myth? Did he even exist?
Regardless of their religious belief, no serious historian would deny that Jesus existed...all would agree that there is simply too much evidence that Jesus lived on earth.
Basically, the idea behind textual criticism is this: as you sit and read a book that is a copyof an ancient manuscript, of any kind, the way you know what you are reading is what the
original author/s wrote is by asking two questions:
1. How quickly after the original was written was the earliest copy made? 2. How many copies are there?
So, Herodotus and Thucydides were both written in the 5th century BC. The earliest copy that we have is around AD 900 so there's a 1300 year gap. For each of these works we have 8 copies........And yet no classical scholar would doubt their authenticity.
Tacitus: a thousand year gap between original and first copy — total of 20 copies. Caesar's Gallic War: 950 year gap between original and first copy — total of 9 or 10 copies.
Livy's Roman History: 900 year gap between original and first copy — total of 20 copies.
The New Testament, written between 40 and 100 AD, the earliest copy we have is AD 130. And we have full manuscripts AD 350. So, at most, there's a 300 year gap. And not just 8 or 20 manuscripts: we have, 5,309 Greek manuscripts, 10,000 Latin manuscripts, 9,300 others.
You look at this and you see it: the New Testament stands absolutely and unapproachably alone amongst ancient prose writings ........and no secular historian would disagree with that conclusion.
So there's all kinds of evidence that Jesus existed
Royal scam??
things about him. So who’s right?
When a Christian says the gospel all about Jesus is true....how do they know?....how can they be so sure?.... is it just a matter of blind faith?
What is the evidence for Christianity?
Is Jesus just a myth? Did he even exist?
Regardless of their religious belief, no serious historian would deny that Jesus existed...all would agree that there is simply too much evidence that Jesus lived on earth.
Basically, the idea behind textual criticism is this: as you sit and read a book that is a copyof an ancient manuscript, of any kind, the way you know what you are reading is what the
original author/s wrote is by asking two questions:
1. How quickly after the original was written was the earliest copy made? 2. How many copies are there?
So, Herodotus and Thucydides were both written in the 5th century BC. The earliest copy that we have is around AD 900 so there's a 1300 year gap. For each of these works we have 8 copies........And yet no classical scholar would doubt their authenticity.
Tacitus: a thousand year gap between original and first copy — total of 20 copies. Caesar's Gallic War: 950 year gap between original and first copy — total of 9 or 10 copies.
Livy's Roman History: 900 year gap between original and first copy — total of 20 copies.
The New Testament, written between 40 and 100 AD, the earliest copy we have is AD 130. And we have full manuscripts AD 350. So, at most, there's a 300 year gap. And not just 8 or 20 manuscripts: we have, 5,309 Greek manuscripts, 10,000 Latin manuscripts, 9,300 others.
You look at this and you see it: the New Testament stands absolutely and unapproachably alone amongst ancient prose writings ........and no secular historian would disagree with that conclusion.
So there's all kinds of evidence that Jesus existed
Royal scam??
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TheRoyalScam
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Someone called Jesus probably existed. Was he the 'son of god'? Or should that be 'Son of God'??!! In all probability not, but if you want to believe it and it doesn't affect my life or my family then you can believe what you like. You've admitted that you (or anybody else yet) can't argue against the fire-breathing dragon in my garage. However my dragon hasn't molested children, or promised eternal life if people follow him, or threatened them with an eternity of damnation in 'hell' (Sixfields??!!) if they don't follow him...
Grendel
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Actually no one knows your dragon hasn't molested children. How do you know he hasn't?
TheRoyalScam
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I also rely on reason and science - not cutting and pasting drivel from the 'Alpha' programme.
S B Pete??
TheRoyalScam
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Because he's a friendly dragon and has told me personally that he hasn't molested children. He's also told me that he loves children and hates Marillion because they don't reflect true fire-breathing dragon values
TheRoyalScam
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I'm glad that you believe in my dragon, HH, because nobody yet has argued that it doesn't exist.
You're most welcome to come over and visit the Scams whenever you're on the mainland, and I'm sure my dragon will be pleased to meet you.
From my own experience it's quite boring taking an invisible dragon for a walk, and it always beats me when we play games. You can ask it if it fancies a 'pet', however I've found that it's not that keen on 'petting' - I seem to remember it telling me words to the effect: 'Petting?? I'm omnipotent, dontcha know? You should read Isaiah Osbourne's diary from 45:7: "I make peace and create evil; I am the Dragon who does all these things." '
Otis
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Because he keeps him on a tight lead?
TheRoyalScam
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Unfortunately I have no control over the dragon in my garage because it's 'omnipotent', whereas I'm a mere human - trying to keep it on a tight lead would be impossible.
Otis
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I used to be omnipotent too, but the doctor gave me some tablets and now I'm back to my old self again. Put it down to stresss and pressure.
TheRoyalScam
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I always enjoy your posts Otis, but in the words of _brian_ this really made me 'LOL'.............to be honest I was 'ROFL'
Houchens Head
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I've never denied that he may have existed, but he was never the son of a god / deity / superior invisible being / alien etc......... I DO believe, that IF he existed, he was just a religious nutter like the other one - John the Baptist, who was a total loony! He was supposed to be related as well wasn't he? A cousin or something? More bullshit fairy stories from the christian bible!
Otis
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You want the true story of Jesus, here it is.
Over 2 thousand years ago a man with no name was killed upon the cross and placed into a tomb, beneath a shroud.
The bloke was quite important apparently so the body was guarded night and day. The guards positioned themselves at the front of the tomb with their backs to the body while they stood guard. After 3 days though the previously cold still body suddenly sprung to life and the figure beneath it pulled back the shroud and stood up. A guard turned round upon hearing the rustling noise of the sheet falling to the ground and jumped out of his skin when he saw the figure.
'Jesus! You scared the life out of me,' said the guard.
And so the name stuck and the dead bloke was then called Jesus from there on in.
Over 2 thousand years ago a man with no name was killed upon the cross and placed into a tomb, beneath a shroud.
The bloke was quite important apparently so the body was guarded night and day. The guards positioned themselves at the front of the tomb with their backs to the body while they stood guard. After 3 days though the previously cold still body suddenly sprung to life and the figure beneath it pulled back the shroud and stood up. A guard turned round upon hearing the rustling noise of the sheet falling to the ground and jumped out of his skin when he saw the figure.
'Jesus! You scared the life out of me,' said the guard.
And so the name stuck and the dead bloke was then called Jesus from there on in.
Sky Blue Pete
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Handily avoided the contextual proof argument for historical documents that the first talk at alpha presents scam.
TheRoyalScam
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Could you explain this in English please?
Covstu
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Otis
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Unbelieveable! I'm stunned. Speechless!!!
Concrete eveidence at last. What times are his Evensong and where does he hold them?
Sky Blue Pete
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We accept the history books as fact even though they were written significantly after the events, we have very few copies and they date significantly after they were written.
When it comes to the gospels in the New Testament they were written very soon after the events, we have thousands of copies of very early manuscripts dated not long after they were initially written.
This means we can trust the information they contain
Put simply
Otis
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Nice to have a decent debate without it resorting to stupid name calling and ending up as an angry shouting match!!
YOU DELUSIONAL DUMB IDIOT!
Sky Blue Pete
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Don't get me wrong. I think if we were writing about similar activities we would write them differently because of our knowledge but one shouldn't doubt the reality of the factual, historical activity in the gospels.
Otis you bastard. Accusing me of being a grown up. I'm not happy about that
Otis you bastard. Accusing me of being a grown up. I'm not happy about that
Otis
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skybluetony176
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"Smite me oh mighty smiter"
You've got to love Bruce and Evan Oh mighty haven't you. If for nothing else for finally acknowledging that God must be black.
You've got to love Bruce and Evan Oh mighty haven't you. If for nothing else for finally acknowledging that God must be black.