Bid for Wilson knocked back (5 Viewers)

[Astute]

I worked at British Leyland during the miners strike. Those union arseholes of the time destroyed our productivity and competiveness. So I beg to differ.

Yes she did this country good. She stopped milk for kids at school. Sold off BP, Jaguar, BT, British Gas, British Steel, British Airways, Water, Rolls Royce and electric generation amongst others. Oh yes and the coal mines. Didn't she do well.

 

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[Astute]

Ha! Priceless. Thatcher was the mother of "every man for himself" and the money, money, money culture we live in today. She would have loved Joy and her Hedge Funds.

Might even be what Sepalla models herself on.

 

[RegTheDonk]

Yes she did this country good. She stopped milk for kids at school. Sold off BP, Jaguar, BT, British Gas, British Steel, British Airways, Water, Rolls Royce and electric generation amongst others. Oh yes and the coal mines. Didn't she do well.

Yes. And now we have public uproar and media frenzies because we can't afford our energy bills, or train fares, or put petrol in our cars. Shame all those profits are going to shareholders instead of back into the public kitty. Imagine if they sold off the NHS and SISU got a piece of the pie? We'd be going to Northampton General for an operation

 

[Mr T - Sukka!]

I am told Notts Forrest are also looking at putting in a bid in the coming weeks.

Stuart Pearce is a big fan and has been to watch CW a few times.

Could be BS.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

We all know he'll go ... this is SISU, they sell ... next year is looking really bleak if honest, what with Murphy out too ... and who knows who else will go ?

Do no other clubs sell their players then when they get good offers in?

 

[Spionkop]

Nothing wrong with Thatcher? Shakes head and walks off in utter bafflement.

 

[Grendel]

Yes she did this country good. She stopped milk for kids at school. Sold off BP, Jaguar, BT, British Gas, British Steel, British Airways, Water, Rolls Royce and electric generation amongst others. Oh yes and the coal mines. Didn't she do well.

Selling off the utility companies was a serious error. However, you'd be very hard pushed to argue that the private companies you mention would even be in existence if they were still in public hands.

Governments are poor business owners.

 

[ccfc92]

Do no other clubs sell their players then when they get good offers in?

They do indeed.

But do other clubs reinvest that money into the team?

 

[shmmeee]

Selling off the utility companies was a serious error. However, you'd be very hard pushed to argue that the private companies you mention would even be in existence if they were still in public hands.

Governments are poor business owners.

There's not really a good argument for that. British industry as a whole went a bit tits up when globalisation happened, not just the bits owned by the government. There are loads of government owned businesses that outperform their private counterparts in the long term, it's just easier to make a profit in the short term in private industry.

But I'd agree that most of those industries shouldn't be nationalised, just the ones that are always going to be monopolies (telecoms, rail, utilities, etc.), plus anything that's part of the physical country (radio waves, airspace, natural resources).

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Granted. There's no no doubt who encouraged and nurtured it though. Thatcher and her cronies.

I wasn't alive at the time, so I can't say either way. Put it this way, when I was doing the walk referred to in my signature I noticed a clear change in people's willingness to help others out. In Sussex a landlady offered me a lift, some drinks and wi-fi; next morning she charged me for all three. In the Cotswolds the landlady knocked £10 off my board, and in Manchester I got offered food and drink by people on the canal.

I know which of these three attitudes SISU has the most in common with!

 

[shmmeee]

I wasn't alive at the time, so I can't say either way. Put it this way, when I was doing the walk referred to in my signature I noticed a clear change in people's willingness to help others out. In Sussex a landlady offered me a lift, some drinks and wi-fi; next morning she charged me for all three. In the Cotswolds the landlady knocked £10 off my board, and in Manchester I got offered food and drink by people on the canal.

I know which of these three attitudes SISU has the most in common with!

How did she charge you?? Did she turn up with a bill?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How did she charge you?? Did she turn up with a bill?

She dropped me off at the starting point for that day's walking and said 'right, it's £2 for the apple juice, £1 for the wi-fi, £1 for the biscuits and £3 for the lift yesterday'. At no point when offering any of those things did she say there was an extra cost for them. I point blank refused and took my stuff.

 

[sky blue john]

Obviously he hasn't gone yet.
I would like to know though how the goals of Clarke, Moussa & Wilson would be replaced ?

 

[ccfcway]

He left the club shackled with 60m debt! Do you think that just went away? Fucks sake.

yes, we were liquidated weren't we ?

 

[Jack Griffin]

Seppella treatment of the club is a typical example of Thatcherism in action.

I don't know, I think maybe she gets it from Genghis Khan, now there was a man with a ruthless streak.

 

[Noggin]

Selling off the utility companies was a serious error. However, you'd be very hard pushed to argue that the private companies you mention would even be in existence if they were still in public hands.

Governments are poor business owners.

I find it amusing that governments seem to pretty freely admit they can't run a company efficiently yet somehow expect us to believe they can run a country efficiently.

 

[ccfcway]

Ghengis Khan and electric companies

This thread may have gone slightly off topic

 

[torchomatic]

Ghengis Khan and electric companies

This thread may have gone slightly off topic

Football was mentioned too at one point. Unbelievable!

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[Grendel]

There's not really a good argument for that. British industry as a whole went a bit tits up when globalisation happened, not just the bits owned by the government. There are loads of government owned businesses that outperform their private counterparts in the long term, it's just easier to make a profit in the short term in private industry.

But I'd agree that most of those industries shouldn't be nationalised, just the ones that are always going to be monopolies (telecoms, rail, utilities, etc.), plus anything that's part of the physical country (radio waves, airspace, natural resources).

There's a very good argument for it. I cannot think of one - not one - government organisation that performs better than private sector rivals on the same industry. The telecommunication industry has been revolutionised in the private sector. The uk nationalised automotive industry was a national enbarrasment.

You only have to look at your own profession. Only 7% of people are privately educated and yet the vast majority of them outperform the sad souls condemned to the failed state system.

 

[shmmeee]

There's a very good argument for it. I cannot think of one - not one - government organisation that performs better than private sector rivals on the same industry. The telecommunication industry has been revolutionised in the private sector. The uk nationalised automotive industry was a national enbarrasment.

You only have to look at your own profession. Only 7% of people are privately educated and yet the vast majority of them outperform the sad souls condemned to the failed state system.

NHS. Police. Education. To name 3.

Your terrible knowledge of how stats works is showing in that last sentence. Give me a state school where the parents pay to attend and I can kick out anyone (plus large scale cheating is well known to happen - talk to pretty much any ex-private student) and I'll kick the shit out of those results. Private companies cherry pick and don't have to provide a universal service in most cases so it's apples and oranges.

Also, the latest stats show that state school students with worse grades do better at uni and drop out less than private school students, so even with the advantages it's not that clear.

I could mention G4S, Capita, etc. etc. in private security. The NHS gives the best value for money and efficiency in the world. 94% of the NHS budget is spent on healthcare (6% admin) compare that to 36% spent on admin in the US private system.

Telecoms wasn't revolutionised by privatisation, it was revolutionised by the mobile industry and the Internet. Our speeds under private ownership are piss poor compared to some of the better state run networks. Oh and the reason for that was competition made all our mobile companies bankrupt themselves buying 3G space, then they couldn't afford the infrastructure.

The UK automobile industry was on it's way out, as with a lot of UK manufacturing to be fair, due to outdated management practices (still about today from what I see at a lot of large UK companies).

And that's before we get onto the Army, or, you know, running the fucking country which as much as anti-government types like yourself bleat about, is actually done pretty fucking well compared to some places. The size of the admin required is huge. No private company without the ability to pick and choose their markets could come close.

You've fallen for the propaganda peddled in this country since the 80s. Hook, line and sinker.

 

[Hobo]

There's a very good argument for it. I cannot think of one - not one - government organisation that performs better than private sector rivals on the same industry. The telecommunication industry has been revolutionised in the private sector. The uk nationalised automotive industry was a national enbarrasment.

You only have to look at your own profession. Only 7% of people are privately educated and yet the vast majority of them outperform the sad souls condemned to the failed state system.

Perhaps the super private education system should take on some of the struggling individuals from our junior schools and show us the way to go with such raw materials.

At my junior school they thought I couldn't read at 9 when I could. My best mate from the same school went to Bablake a year early and had 9 o levels at the age of 14. Strangely enough I went through the education system at a normal rate and got better A level results than him. so did his younger brother.

He is one of the most intelligent persons I have ever met...the private education system totally let him down and destroyed his confidence.

 

[Astute]

It isn't a failed state system. but you only get what you pay for.

My eldest didn't want to go to Uni and end up in debt. She has had each place she has worked put her through her exams needed. She is now an accountant. She was headhunted by where she is now. After 9 months she was put in charge of her office. She is the youngest there and one of only 3 that are not privately educated. My 12 year old is already at the stage where she should be to pass her exams at 16. Last year she got invited to our local private school. They were offering to take her at the reduced rate of 6k a year. But she wanted to stay with her freinds. Private schools cherry pick the best students. They don't take the trouble makers. They have 12 pupils per teacher. But my girls have done just as well at public schools. My boys are a different matter :thinking about:

 

[Grendel]

NHS. Police. Education. To name 3.

Your terrible knowledge of how stats works is showing in that last sentence. Give me a state school where the parents pay to attend and I can kick out anyone (plus large scale cheating is well known to happen - talk to pretty much any ex-private student) and I'll kick the shit out of those results. Private companies cherry pick and don't have to provide a universal service in most cases so it's apples and oranges.

Also, the latest stats show that state school students with worse grades do better at uni and drop out less than private school students, so even with the advantages it's not that clear.

I could mention G4S, Capita, etc. etc. in private security. The NHS gives the best value for money and efficiency in the world. 94% of the NHS budget is spent on healthcare (6% admin) compare that to 36% spent on admin in the US private system.

Telecoms wasn't revolutionised by privatisation, it was revolutionised by the mobile industry and the Internet. Our speeds under private ownership are piss poor compared to some of the better state run networks. Oh and the reason for that was competition made all our mobile companies bankrupt themselves buying 3G space, then they couldn't afford the infrastructure.

The UK automobile industry was on it's way out, as with a lot of UK manufacturing to be fair, due to outdated management practices (still about today from what I see at a lot of large UK companies).

And that's before we get onto the Army, or, you know, running the fucking country which as much as anti-government types like yourself bleat about, is actually done pretty fucking well compared to some places. The size of the admin required is huge. No private company without the ability to pick and choose their markets could come close.

You've fallen for the propaganda peddled in this country since the 80s. Hook, line and sinker.

If we focus on education I would strongly urge you to look at the left wing politicians and their approach to the ststem. The notion that the left value state education can be shown by how many socialist politicians use and utterly abuse the system for their own benefit. The best example is the bastion of the left John Crudas - I suggest you research the lengths he went to to send his children to a state school - but of course not the one in his area. If religious schools were abolished it would be hilarious. Politicians would be then unable to choose selection and state.

The truth is you have been indoctrinated from a young age to believe the state is workable and beneficial. Its the same as extreme religion. Battered into you from a you f age you believe the dogma.

Comprehensive education and the destruction of grammer schools was the way the political elite managed to deny working class people opportunity and ensure the establishment and the upper classes only will occupy the political hierarchy - only a fool will deny that.

 

[Astute]

If we focus on education I would strongly urge you to look at the left wing politicians and their approach to the ststem. The notion that the left value state education can be shown by how many socialist politicians use and utterly abuse the system for their own benefit. The best example is the bastion of the left John Crudas - I suggest you research the lengths he went to to send his children to a state school - but of course not the one in his area. If religious schools were abolished it would be hilarious. Politicians would be then unable to choose selection and state.

The truth is you have been indoctrinated from a young age to believe the state is workable and beneficial. Its the same as extreme religion. Battered into you from a you f age you believe the dogma.

Comprehensive education and the destruction of grammer schools was the way the political elite managed to deny working class people opportunity and ensure the establishment and the upper classes only will occupy the political hierarchy - only a fool will deny that.

You certainly either never went to a Grammar school or if you did it failed you

 

[Jack Griffin]

You certainly either never went to a Grammar school or if you did it failed you

Well if he did they certainly didn't teach him grammar or how to spell! LOL

PS FWIW I think the introduction of fees for further & higher education to permit the expansion of the sectors did a lot more harm than comprehensive schools ever did.

 

[skybluejelly]

It isn't a failed state system. but you only get what you pay for.

My eldest didn't want to go to Uni and end up in debt. She has had each place she has worked put her through her exams needed. She is now an accountant. She was headhunted by where she is now. After 9 months she was put in charge of her office. She is the youngest there and one of only 3 that are not privately educated. My 12 year old is already at the stage where she should be to pass her exams at 16. Last year she got invited to our local private school. They were offering to take her at the reduced rate of 6k a year. But she wanted to stay with her freinds. Private schools cherry pick the best students. They don't take the trouble makers. They have 12 pupils per teacher. But my girls have done just as well at public schools. My boys are a different matter :thinking about:

Both my lads are privately educated.. they were not cherry picked.. but had to pass entrance exams ..the gcse exams they take are the international ones and therefore of a higher level..so the schools have an entrance test so that the kids do not struggle ..also just because it is a private school does not mean they will achieve higher marks ..it is also the pastoral care they receive and the extra curricular activities open too them ..also the class sizes are a lot higher than twelve ..in their school it is 24 until they reach a- levels .. at the end of the day this country is more and more about nepotism which is why I decided to send them there

 

[Astute]

Both my lads are privately educated.. they were not cherry picked.. but had to pass entrance exams ..the gcse exams they take are the international ones and therefore of a higher level..so the schools have an entrance test so that the kids do not struggle ..also just because it is a private school does not mean they will achieve higher marks ..it is also the pastoral care they receive and the extra curricular activities open too them ..also the class sizes are a lot higher than twelve ..in their school it is 24 until they reach a- levels .. at the end of the day this country is more and more about nepotism which is why I decided to send them there

Passing an entrance exam and getting what you pay for isn't far away from what I said.

 

[Grendel]

You certainly either never went to a Grammar school or if you did it failed you

All my children are privately educated and some years when they have all attended at the same time the fees were £27,000 a year.

I think I've done ok without your grammer police don't you?

 

[skybluejelly]

Passing an entrance exam and getting what you pay for isn't far away from what I said.

absolutely I wasn't disagreeing with you ..but I tell you what the £18000 I paid a year for for basically 60 hrs a week of schooling is a lot better value than the 16 hrs a week my son pays £9000 for at university..he only done 2 bloody terms this year ..

anyway this is going way off topic

 

[Grendel]

absolutely I wasn't disagreeing with you ..but I tell you what the £18000 I paid a year for for basically 60 hrs a week of schooling is a lot better value than the 16 hrs a week my son pays £9000 for at university..he only done 2 bloody terms this year ..

anyway this is going way off topic

You are correct. I remember driving to the local comp on an open day with my oldest child. I got near then just turned round

 

[torchomatic]

My wife went to private school. Waste of money.

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[Astute]

All my children are privately educated and some years when they have all attended at the same time the fees were £27,000 a year.

I think I've done ok without your grammer police don't you?

Don't you mean Grammar police?

Did your kids join you in your protest of not going to Northampton and did they then go to Northampton with you? Not a bad way of investing your 6 figure wage for an unskilled job.

 

[skybluejelly]

My wife went to private school. Waste of money.

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how much did she cost..?

 

[Grendel]

My wife went to private school. Waste of money.

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I went to a failing comprehensive. Its failing was ultimately summed up when I achieved a grade E in business studies and was congratulated by the headmaster as I was the first pass in the subject for 6 years. I had an A in history and they virtually got the red carpet out. I was the only one of my immediate friends who studied at university.

My school was shit.

 

[stupot07]

My wife went to private school. Waste of money.

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Agreed unless you go to one of the elite ones like the Tory cabinet...


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