Kcic front bid to buy club (49 Viewers)

[RegTheDonk]

Only thing to report this morning is there's nothing to report. At the risking of offending people, the only response that matters is sisu's. Everyone has their own opinion and everyone can have a go at double-guessing what sisu will say. But that is just opinions and guessing, nothing more. What will move things forward is sisu's reply. Probably not likely to hear anything over a weekend (?) but fingers crossed for something positive on Monday.

They will probably say thanks for the offer, but without all the pie money we're not interested.

Or, cheers that sounds nice ... are ACL benefiting in any way?

Nice one for giving it a go Michael, but you know how these sharks operate.

 

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[skybluetony176]

Are they the ones asking questions about it? Nobody is allowed to say anything but things that arse lick kcic etc , that's the rules and alwan.

If you question anything it means you want to stay at sixfields.

Then people wonder why sisu and the fl don't take our fans seriously...

I see king of the nay sayers has entered the forum. Have you started actively chasing sisu yet on all the outstanding questions they have to answer? Or because that has immediate potentially disastrous consequences for the club is it not important therefore you only want answers from someone doing their best to help the club?

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Sisu did turn down Hoffman's offer, but to my recollection without any good reason. This was also at the start of last season while Fisher was still in fantasy land thinking that 7000 Sky Blues would turn up every other week. Now he knows the reality of the situation. Gates at Sixfields are likely to be worse this season therefore costing him and his mates even more money while they wait for ACL to fail. Therefore an offer which guarantees these losses will be much less and which will bring back on board, at least partially, some of the 80% of their customers that they have managed to alienate really doesn't require a great deal of thinking about. Unless, as seems the case,that all along the club has been held ransom with the Ricoh as the prize. There can be no excuses from them this time. If they don't negotiate with KCIC and then if they turn down the offer with no good reason the FL must be put under pressure to step in.

 

[Nick]

I see king of the nay sayers has entered the forum. Have you started actively chasing sisu yet on all the outstanding questions they have to answer? Or because that has immediate potentially disastrous consequences for the club is it not important therefore you only want answers from someone doing their best to help the club?

Sorry, I forgot it was sisu ranting on emails every couple of days demanding answers and moaning when they didn't get any, yet the very same people don't answer them selves.
According to some on here the club shouldn't give us answers as it's nothing to do with fans, just the parties involved

If constructive questions can't be asked then give up now.

If Tim Fisher was spamming the crap out of here with news letters then he would be asked them too.

 

[Nick]

From sisu on the new ground and the clubs finances? Don't be stupid.

No from the people who are so outraged by not getting answers they do exactly the same thing ha

 

[skybluetony176]

Sorry, I forgot it was sisu ranting on emails every couple of days demanding answers and moaning when they didn't get any, yet the very same people don't answer them selves.
According to some on here the club shouldn't give us answers as it's nothing to do with fans, just the parties involved

If constructive questions can't be asked then give up now.

Sounds like you gave up on the club a long time ago as you don't ask questions of the people damaging it despite questions being over a year old but expect the people making attempts to fix it give you a full power point presentation at a mmoments notice.

Have you thought of ways Michael can enhance his offer or are you still more interested in derailing any effort to get the club home?

 

[skybluetony176]

Sorry, I forgot it was sisu ranting on emails every couple of days demanding answers and moaning when they didn't get any, yet the very same people don't answer them selves.
According to some on here the club shouldn't give us answers as it's nothing to do with fans, just the parties involved

If constructive questions can't be asked then give up now.

If Tim Fisher was spamming the crap out of here with news letters then he would be asked them too.

I take it you've never heard ML ob the radio.

 

[Nick]

I take it you've never heard ML ob the radio.

Yes because that was completely relevant to what I was saying wasnt it

 

[skybluetony176]

Yes because that was completely relevant to what I was saying wasnt it

More relevant than anything ML ever says on the radio. Never answers a direct question and is the king of rants. Considering you apparently have a problem with this kind of behaviour its surprising you haven't pointed this out on here before. Oh wait, silly me I forgot. In your world the fans answer to the club not the club to the fans.

 

[Nick]

More relevant than anything ML ever says on the radio. Never answers a direct question and is the king of rants. Considering you apparently have a problem with this kind of behaviour its surprising you haven't pointed this out on here before. Oh wait, silly me I forgot. In your world the fans answer to the club not the club to the fans.

Funny how you compare Michael to ml. Read my posts, they are all full of crap, said many a time.

People ask about answers to the stadium, there arent any as it doesn't exist but apparently it's only to do with parties involved.

You talk so much crap it is unreal

 

[torchomatic]

More relevant than anything ML ever says on the radio. Never answers a direct question and is the king of rants. Considering you apparently have a problem with this kind of behaviour its surprising you haven't pointed this out on here before. Oh wait, silly me I forgot. In your world the fans answer to the club not the club to the fans.

It's sad to see you and Schmmee have a breakdown on a public forum.



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[Ian1779]

Sisu did turn down Hoffman's offer, but to my recollection without any good reason.

Hoffman's offer was a pile of shit for everyone except him of course. He decided to see if he could make a few quid out of an emotive situation, pretending to give a fuck about our club.

Him and Elliott are the same - full to the brim of shit yet zero substance.

 

[M&B Stand]

Michaels view that the paying X amount at the Ricoh would still be better than paying whatever we pay Northampton, overrides everything, it's like he accepts the club will die paying ACL's prices, but that'd still be better than dying at Northampton.

Any reasoning along the lines of making a profitable or even break even football club leads to you being pro sisu.

Utter head in the sand madness.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

I went to most away games last season and at every game either Elliot, Hoffman or both of them were there sitting amongst the City fans. Both Hoffman and Elliot left the board when they saw the way things were going with Sisu. Don't know either of them personally but there commitment to the team as fans to me says a lot about them. I'm sure with hindsight both would do things differently now with regard to Sisu. However, 7 years ago I was rejoicing that Sisu had saved our club. Most fans would have felt the same.

 

[kg82]

Sounds like you gave up on the club a long time ago as you don't ask questions of the people damaging it despite questions being over a year old but expect the people making attempts to fix it give you a full power point presentation at a mmoments notice.

Have you thought of ways Michael can enhance his offer or are you still more interested in derailing any effort to get the club home?

Seriously, I don't get what your problem is with nick asking a few questions. He wasn't opposing anything, JUST asking questions. Knowledge is power, and for this reason, you must be the goldfish that got flushed down the toilet.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

So, what's everyone's favourite tipple? Drink? Drugs? Lighter fluid?

Me, I'm a coke snorting crack fiend who washes it all down with pints of Southern Comfort.

 

[MichaelCCFC]

Why?

When a 3 year old is screaming for a chocolate bar do you just give in?

Why are we tiptoeing around Sisu? It's a good deal for the club, it's an amazing deal for the fans. That should be all we care about. Pressure from all sides should be that we want CCFC home and this deal does that with no financial implications for the club.

I await a joint statement from SBT, KCIC and GCBTTR that the club should accept this.

Just seen this from the Trust. Seems pretty much spot on


"KCIC Bid / Rent Payment Offer
On 20[SUP]th[/SUP] June it was publically revealed that KCIC had fronted an offer to buy Coventry City and also separately proposed an offer to pay the rent should the club return to the Ricoh. The Sky Blue Trust welcomes any realistic initiative that might get the team back to its rightful home and hope that at the very least this sparks some discussion on the matter. Pick up the phone and start discussions about returning to the Ricoh? WHY NOT?"

 

[Rusty Trombone]

So what do you suggest we do to make it happen. I'm all ears.

Well if the backers are willing to put the money in then ask for the 5,000 limit to be taken away. Make a no strings attached totally free return to the Ricoh for 3 years (assuming the FL are happy).

There's been no confirmation that ACL are happy with this offer, or what the cost will be, but hopefully they will honour the free for a year, then £150k for the next 2 offer from before (and make it clear whether this includes match day costs).

I still think this will be refused, but if you leave room for excuses from SISU then you will receive excuses.

Aside from this deal that we're talking about I think not giving SISU/Otium any money is the best approach.

 

[mrtrench]

Well if the backers are willing to put the money in then ask for the 5,000 limit to be taken away. Make a no strings attached totally free return to the Ricoh for 3 years (assuming the FL are happy).

There's been no confirmation that ACL are happy with this offer, or what the cost will be, but hopefully they will honour the free for a year, then £150k for the next 2 offer from before (and make it clear whether this includes match day costs).

I still think this will be refused, but if you leave room for excuses from SISU then you will receive excuses.

Aside from this deal that we're talking about I think not giving SISU/Otium any money is the best approach.

The deal is already tremendous. You are just extrapolating. Why stop there? Why doesn't KCIC pay for the stadium for free for 5 years? Why not free forever, plus a £500k contribution for player purchases every year? And so on...

The deal is already enough - it does not need gilt edges. If SISU refuses their intentions are laid naked for all to see - not that they were very well clothed to start with.

 

[lordsummerisle]

So, what's everyone's favourite tipple? Drink? Drugs? Lighter fluid?

Me, I'm a coke snorting crack fiend who washes it all down with pints of Southern Comfort.

Sound like my perfect date to be honest.

 

[Nick]

The deal is already tremendous. You are just extrapolating. Why stop there? Why doesn't KCIC pay for the stadium for free for 5 years? Why not free forever, plus a £500k contribution for player purchases every year? And so on...

The deal is already enough - it does not need gilt edges. If SISU refuses their intentions are laid naked for all to see - not that they were very well clothed to start with.

How do you know it's tremendous without knowing the details???

 

[stupot07]

How do you know it's tremendous without knowing the details???

Because Andy turner said so..


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[skybluetony176]

Well if the backers are willing to put the money in then ask for the 5,000 limit to be taken away. Make a no strings attached totally free return to the Ricoh for 3 years (assuming the FL are happy).

There's been no confirmation that ACL are happy with this offer, or what the cost will be, but hopefully they will honour the free for a year, then £150k for the next 2 offer from before (and make it clear whether this includes match day costs).

I still think this will be refused, but if you leave room for excuses from SISU then you will receive excuses.

Aside from this deal that we're talking about I think not giving SISU/Otium any money is the best approach.

I don't disagree with you. I just feel that if some fans stopped picking holes and used that effort to add to what Michael has started. It doesn't matter where it's starting from as we should be looking to add value not subtract. Anybody who's only interested in what the deal currently is have their heads up their ass, its where that deal needs to get to is what's important.

We need more local business men on board, not just financially but with influence too.

I've already suggested that we could do collections at games so fans can donate towards the rent as they come in. I'd happily chuck a fiver in every home game and I would wager I'd be in the majority of the attendees.

We could approach old sponsors who no longer have an involvement to donate in return for some kind of publicity.

If we have to pay the rent for the hedge fund then let's aim for that if that's the only way we can get our team home.

And anyone who has to know how much is in the kitty before they can get on board is talking bollocks. Do these same people give a collection tin a shake before they put their loose change in so they can decide if they are going to contribute or do they put their change in regardless as they believe in the cause?

 

[Ian1779]

The deal is already tremendous. You are just extrapolating. Why stop there? Why doesn't KCIC pay for the stadium for free for 5 years? Why not free forever, plus a £500k contribution for player purchases every year? And so on...

The deal is already enough - it does not need gilt edges. If SISU refuses their intentions are laid naked for all to see - not that they were very well clothed to start with.

Just like the free rent whilst in admin, the Hoffman deal or the 400K deal (expiring after 3 years of course.)?

Scratch the surface and you see the finer details omitted from the headlines.

If the deal is really that amazing (lets hope it is) - then clarifying the detail and answering the questions will be absolutely no problem - and those who rush to defend it won't be fussed in the slightest about the questions as it all stacks up.....

 

[mrtrench]

How do you know it's tremendous without knowing the details???

I guess you refer to the specific terms for CCFC's contribution when crowds exceed 5k. I agree - I had assumed that they would continue in the same spirit but I should not. Michael what are these terms please?
Are there any other details you feel are missing Nick that would make a material difference?

 

[Paxman II]

This is completely silly. If they returned to the Ricoh on a 'free' rent deal for even just one year they would attract support and larger gate receipts. this means they could more than afford the rent deal anyway on their own.
What everyone wishes to dismiss is the very fact that the fight is over the ownership of the stadium long term and they are making a stand against that. They will not return temporarily to the Ricoh to benefit ACL or the council and deflate their stance. You think they don't have a few quid to pay the rent? What nonsense. It's not about that. Everyone is losing focus.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Sound like my perfect date to be honest.

Whether the weather be fine, or whether the weather be not.
Whether the weather be cold, or whether the weather be hot.
We'll weather the weather, whatever the weather,
Whether we like it or not.

 

[mrtrench]

Because Andy turner said so..

Please do not assume I am as shallow as you. I make my own decisions.

 

[skybluetony176]

How do you know it's tremendous without knowing the details???

What did ML and TF have to say about the clubs arrangements at a sisu owned stadium? I assume you're on that one too?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

What did ML and TF have to say about the clubs arrangements at a sisu owned stadium? I assume you're on that one too?

I love oranges.

Hate bananas though.

 

[skybluetony176]

I love oranges.

Hate bananas though.

I take it that was ML's response. To be fair to TF he is more coherent than that.

 

[Nick]

What did ML and TF have to say about the clubs arrangements at a sisu owned stadium? I assume you're on that one too?

I have already made up my mind it's bullshit so don't need to ask.

Much like this offer as there are no answers and people getting angry at questions being asked.

Interesting how you think it's ok for Michael to not answer because the club don't and get so wound up by simple questions, most people would just let details do the talking

 

[Nick]

I take it that was ML's response. To be fair to TF he is more coherent than that.

At least they give a bullshit answer....

 

[mrtrench]

I have already made up my mind it's bullshit so don't need to ask.

Much like this offer as there are no answers and people getting angry at questions being asked.

Interesting how you think it's ok for Michael to not answer because the club don't.

He assumes that the details are favourable to CCFC. You appear to assume they are not. Neither is an informed view. Michael - stop all this nonsense here now and tell us the detail about the terms when crowds exceed 5k. Is this an average or per game? What is CCFC's contribution?

 

[Nick]

He assumes that the details are favourable to CCFC. You appear to assume they are not. Neither is an informed view. Michael - stop all this nonsense here now and tell us the detail about the terms when crowds exceed 5k. Is this an average or per game? What is CCFC's contribution?

We can't assume anything can we? I haven't once said it's a bad offer and shouldn't be taken as I don't know the details.

It may well be an amazing offer.