Enough is enough - Friday is D-day (8 Viewers)

[Paxman II]

Of course ACL want the legal process dropped - who wouldn't? Of course they want their money owed - who wouldn't?
But why is that so connected to talks?

Also this is spin from ACL, they have learned that art from their current opponents well!

When will we start seeing things a little less one sided and stop all this theorising about how these things work? How many of you commenting have ever experienced a court room, an appeal process, spoke at length to a judge and paid for opinions, had legal action against you in the business sense or even understand how companies operate?
Some on here throw comments around continuously with disregard to how these processes work.

Frankly both sides have an avenue for talks right now. That has been openly admitted by them. So then regardless of what ever else is currently taking it's course the natural thing to do is open talks and see what can be explored, achieved and possibly agreed.

That may in turn lead to the JR appeal process being dropped (and that has not been granted yet anyway, so nothing to drop is there?!)

The £590k everyone talks of is indeed subject to other processes as well ACL know. The guarantors that must be sorted and the fact it is lodged with the FL is upfront and correct.

I'm just failing understand why everyone considers ACL's spin is any different from SISU's ever is.

 

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[sky blue john]

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I'm just failing understand why everyone considers ACL's spin is any different from SISU's ever is.

Maybe because they haven't been proven in a court of law to spout lies ?

 

[Jack Griffin]

What a weak letter, the trust doesn't have a clue.

 

[Grendel]

Maybe because they haven't been proven in a court of law to spout lies ?

Did you get a membership badge when you joined the ACL fan club. Have you a signed photo of Anne Lucas?

 

[torchomatic]

Well, isn't that now down to the FL now that the money is in the escrow account? This is not a "have a go" question, I genuinely don't know if only the FL can release the funds.

ACL have not said that they are not willing to talk. They have said that they want the money that should have been paid last week. They also want the futile litigation to stop. The vast majority of us agree that the futile litigation needs to stop. Bridges need to be built. But we have some on here that can't understand that continuing with the litigation doesn't cause yet more harm to the lack of trust.

You also say that SISU are willing to talk. You admit that they are bullshitters. So why do you seem to know that they are being truthful for once?

 

[Paxman II]

Maybe because they haven't been proven in a court of law to spout lies ?

But Sky Blue John that is yet again another random statement you or many on here like to make in response as what? A form of insult in an attempt to garner the less informed to your viewpoint because you say so? it's the very essence of what I don't understand among many on here. You have no factual knowledge. Yes you want to believe they lied in court but it's not actually true is it? Are you stating their barrister told lies?

 

[Grendel]

But Sky Blue John that is yet again another random statement you or many on here like to make in response as what? A form of insult in an attempt to garner the less informed to your viewpoint because you say so? it's the very essence of what I don't understand among many on here. You have no factual knowledge. Yes you want to believe they lied in court but it's not actually true is it? Are you stating their barrister told lies?

I've long ago given up rational debate with him. Its best to not bother.

 

[torchomatic]

Why? Because they've dared to question both sides? There's nothing to stop either side from talking.

At least the Trust aren't a "one trick pony" like KCiC and don't regurgitate the same message over and over. Some of Michael's mailouts have been embarrassing.

What a weak letter, the trust doesn't have a clue.

 

[The Gentleman]

Of course ACL want the legal process dropped - who wouldn't? Of course they want their money owed - who wouldn't?
But why is that so connected to talks?

Also this is spin from ACL, they have learned that art from their current opponents well!

When will we start seeing things a little less one sided and stop all this theorising about how these things work? How many of you commenting have ever experienced a court room, an appeal process, spoke at length to a judge and paid for opinions, had legal action against you in the business sense or even understand how companies operate?
Some on here throw comments around continuously with disregard to how these processes work.

Frankly both sides have an avenue for talks right now. That has been openly admitted by them. So then regardless of what ever else is currently taking it's course the natural thing to do is open talks and see what can be explored, achieved and possibly agreed.

That may in turn lead to the JR appeal process being dropped (and that has not been granted yet anyway, so nothing to drop is there?!)

The £590k everyone talks of is indeed subject to other processes as well ACL know. The guarantors that must be sorted and the fact it is lodged with the FL is upfront and correct.

I'm just failing understand why everyone considers ACL's spin is any different from SISU's ever is.

More spin from you more like FFS.

ACL have said they would talk, just that any money should be paid and the stupid, actually fucking stupid continued legal bollocks be dropped. Lets not forget that Sisu have also asked for caveats to talk but all we hear is about how ACL have been too demanding.

You talk about how the legal process like your Perry fucking Mason. Fact is, yes FACT, Sisu have been dropped like a sack of shit in court twice with no decision going their way about the JR. That is two different judges both saying the same thing. Yes, Sisu can appeal as is their right but even if it goes to three judges then going on what we have seen how can another three see it so differently to two of their peers? The reason Joe Bloggs wouldn't carry on like this is because we don't have a seemingly endless pot of cash like Sisu. You want to see talking then Sisu say we are dropping the appeal, we have placed cash in an account and say to the FL do as you will and you might then see ACL saying good enough for us, lets talk. In ACL's position, would you want to talk and trust Sisu after what they had done and were still doing? I know I wouldn't.

 

[shmmeee]

Sisu haven't just asked for caveats, their position is totally unchanged from the last 18 months!

I mean seriously, ACL have already lost out on the rent, lost a long term tenant, reduced their rent demands from £1.3m to free. Offered open books on F&B. Offered to talk about selling the F&B rights. Others have twice now offered to pay for the rent up to the point where it's a guaranteed money maker to be at the Ricoh.

How have Sisu budged at all in that time? What demands have they dropped? If anything, they've got more intransigent as time has gone on, now expecting to be let off some of the money by the FL, refusing to drop a legal action that at every point has been proven to be fruitless, insisting on matchday revenues even for a short term deal. Not forgetting the fact that they chose to deny fans of the right to watch their team as nothing more than a negotiating tactic.

And yet. And yet. Still there are people saying they aren't the unreasonable ones. Still claiming anyone who calls them on this obvious bullshit is "misguided" or "doesn't know what they're talking about".

Blows my tiny little mind.

 

[martcov]

Of course ACL want the legal process dropped - who wouldn't? Of course they want their money owed - who wouldn't?
But why is that so connected to talks?

Also this is spin from ACL, they have learned that art from their current opponents well!

When will we start seeing things a little less one sided and stop all this theorising about how these things work? How many of you commenting have ever experienced a court room, an appeal process, spoke at length to a judge and paid for opinions, had legal action against you in the business sense or even understand how companies operate?
Some on here throw comments around continuously with disregard to how these processes work.

Frankly both sides have an avenue for talks right now. That has been openly admitted by them. So then regardless of what ever else is currently taking it's course the natural thing to do is open talks and see what can be explored, achieved and possibly agreed.

That may in turn lead to the JR appeal process being dropped (and that has not been granted yet anyway, so nothing to drop is there?!)

The £590k everyone talks of is indeed subject to other processes as well ACL know. The guarantors that must be sorted and the fact it is lodged with the FL is upfront and correct.

I'm just failing understand why everyone considers ACL's spin is any different from SISU's ever is.

I have been in a court room - business - and through an appeal. First appearance, judge tries to get agreement, establish facts and explains law. Second, claimant tries it on. Looses - again - damning judgement. Third appeals and bends facts to counter judgement. Looses. Case passed to public prosecutor "Prozessbetrug" - using the courts for his own gain and perjuring himself. Never heard of him again.

Let's hope SISU don't resort to bending the facts to counter the judgement.

I would say that, on balance ACL's Spin has been proved more reliable than SISU's.

How's the stadium coming along?

 

[torchomatic]

About as well as suing Northampton Town or rejecting the CVA "to keep Coventry City Football Club playing in Coventry; and to ensure that Coventry City Football Club is financially viable for the next few years and beyond."

How's the stadium coming along?

 

[Grendel]

How's the stadium coming along?

About as well as the new sports franchise that's been lined up for the Ricoh?

 

[sky blue john]

But Sky Blue John that is yet again another random statement you or many on here like to make in response as what? A form of insult in an attempt to garner the less informed to your viewpoint because you say so? it's the very essence of what I don't understand among many on here. You have no factual knowledge. Yes you want to believe they lied in court but it's not actually true is it? Are you stating their barrister told lies?

Was the loan ilegal state aid ?
I remember the Sisu barrister being pulled up by the judge a least once.
Don't you think we have enough examples of lies from Sisu or are you oblivious to them ?
We are Debt free !!!
We will liquidate the club from JS and TF !!
We were forced out of the Ricoh !!

 

[martcov]

About as well as the new sports franchise that's been lined up for the Ricoh?

Spiffing!

 

[martcov]

About as well as the new sports franchise that's been lined up for the Ricoh?

About as well as suing Northampton Town or rejecting the CVA "to keep Coventry City Football Club playing in Coventry; and to ensure that Coventry City Football Club is financially viable for the next few years and beyond."

Suing Northampton was dropped. Has the stadium plan been dropped too? Has CCFC Ltd ( defunct property Company ) been liquidated yet?

 

[Kingokings204]

At last, I'm finally hearing that ACL and sisu are talking. Now we just need them to talk it a through and come up with something by the end of this week.

I don't exactly agree Friday is d-day but it's not far off. If talks have already started like it has been stated they have between ACL and sisu this really could be something. Why else would they finally talk?

I am really hopeful this time. Ccfc need to come home. I don't care about sisu. Yes I hate them for what they have done but ccfc playing in Coventry is the absolute number 1 so anything else can wait.

Come on you sky blues.

 

[blueflint]

Ah is this where we are back at are we.even more bickering between fans God I miss all that from last season, cannot wait for the arguments and punch ups to begin between fellow fans again... just what Sisu wanted, give it to them again boys, instead of a united front and taking the fight to them by causing peaceful disruption at home games, but no we dont have the balls for that now do we.

we will be united when we all boycott n/hants m8 not until

 

[blueflint]

Did you get a membership badge when you joined the ACL fan club. Have you a signed photo of Anne Lucas?

i believe you have a pic of joy above your bed to wank to

 

[martcov]

About as well as the new sports franchise that's been lined up for the Ricoh?

i believe you have a pic of joy above your bed to wank to

You mean the one when she is diving into a taxi with her arse in tight trousers, or the one where her face is masked with an umbrella? Whatever turns you on eh?

 

[LB87ccfc]

At last, I'm finally hearing that ACL and sisu are talking. Now we just need them to talk it a through and come up with something by the end of this week.

I don't exactly agree Friday is d-day but it's not far off. If talks have already started like it has been stated they have between ACL and sisu this really could be something. Why else would they finally talk?

I am really hopeful this time. Ccfc need to come home. I don't care about sisu. Yes I hate them for what they have done but ccfc playing in Coventry is the absolute number 1 so anything else can wait.

Come on you sky blues.

No one has said they are talking just they are ready to talk if certain criteria is met... which is won't be.

 

[Kingokings204]

No one has said they are talking just they are ready to talk if certain criteria is met... which is won't be.

No I believe they are talking now. Well so seems the jist of the interviews with ex Cov players.

 

[Jack Griffin]

No I believe they are talking now. Well so seems the jist of the interviews with ex Cov players.

I don't think ex-players know anything we don't, why should they? I'm sure you're wrong, there are no talks.

 

[Kingokings204]

I don't think ex-players know anything we don't, why should they? I'm sure you're wrong, there are no talks.

Possibly. I might be confused but if they were talking how would we know anyway?

The way they say it it's like there has been a contact of some sort of talk but again probably wrong just badly worded perhaps.

 

[mrtrench]

kcic statement


Enough is enough - Friday is D-day

If by this Friday there has been no concrete action from sisu to return to the Ricoh e.g. dropping the JR appeal, paying the £590k owed to acl and setting up a meeting to agree a return, kcic will conclude we are not returning to the Ricoh for the new season and sisu are choosing to remain at NTFC.

We desperately hope we are wrong, but the last few days have all the hallmarks of a typical sisu spin campaign - raising hopes of progress while their strategy and tactics sadly don't change at all.

Enough said.

Mr. Trench, statement:

Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye

I, being of sound mind and body, will declare that CCFC will probably start playing home games for the 2014-15 season at Sixfields unless:

- Tim Fisher has apologised to Joe Elliot for being unpleasant
- Joy does a little dance around the Ricoh, lasting not less than 7 minutes


before 3pm next Wednesday.

I will make the declaration at home.

 

[olderskyblue]

Let's hope SISU don't resort to bending the facts to counter the judgement.

Joy does have history....

 

[Samo]

kcic statement


Enough is enough - Friday is D-day

If by this Friday there has been no concrete action from sisu to return to the Ricoh e.g. dropping the JR appeal, paying the £590k owed to acl and setting up a meeting to agree a return, kcic will conclude we are not returning to the Ricoh for the new season and sisu are choosing to remain at NTFC.

We desperately hope we are wrong, but the last few days have all the hallmarks of a typical sisu spin campaign - raising hopes of progress while their strategy and tactics sadly don't change at all.

Enough said.

They will be straight on the phone with the threat of kcic's concluding!