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Sterling Archer
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Would be a fantastic signing for us at this level.
Was always treated unfairly by the morons who preferred garbage like Morrell (he ran around a lot, achieved fuck all) and Eastwood (God knows why with that one).
Wasn't he on a ridiculous wage at Blackburn though? Can see another Championship club taking a punt on him before him dropping down to L1, plus there'd be better suitors than us who would offer him more money surely.
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Was always treated unfairly by the morons who preferred garbage like Morrell (he ran around a lot, achieved fuck all) and Eastwood (God knows why with that one).
Wasn't he on a ridiculous wage at Blackburn though? Can see another Championship club taking a punt on him before him dropping down to L1, plus there'd be better suitors than us who would offer him more money surely.
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Kingokings204
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Depends which way?
Samo
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Wilson had never had a chance before and McGoldrick had been fairly prolific at points hadn't he?
LJC_CCFC
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Nope.
Samo
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Well I can't be arsed to dig stats out so I'll take your word for it.
lifeskyblue
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Well let's hope that is no me than a rumour like Best to ccfc
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SkyBlue_Bear83
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Mcgoldrick had one okish season the year Southampton were relegated, he got 14 goals that season. His time at Forest though was an abject failure.
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FRY-CCFC
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12 goals in 46 games is not prolific.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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No it isn't, not even close to prolific. He was young at the time though and showed he had a bit of ability and skill
Samo
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Did OK at Bournemouth on loan and at Ipswich, just saying.
stay_up_skyblues
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Had an agreement with my mate a few years ago we did one Cov game and one v**** game in the month of September for our respective birthdays.
the v***a game was them at home vs Newcastle they drew 1-1 not long after Best signed for them, every ball he brought down with his chest with ease, caused the vile problems. Elegance and a great touch that he demonstrated for us on numerous occasions, that was premier league, and he scored their equaliser.
A fox in the box he is not, but to state he has no technical ability is seriously misguided and I can only assume based on second hand match reports?
Would be a superb signing for this terrible league, but it will not happen in any case.
the v***a game was them at home vs Newcastle they drew 1-1 not long after Best signed for them, every ball he brought down with his chest with ease, caused the vile problems. Elegance and a great touch that he demonstrated for us on numerous occasions, that was premier league, and he scored their equaliser.
A fox in the box he is not, but to state he has no technical ability is seriously misguided and I can only assume based on second hand match reports?
Would be a superb signing for this terrible league, but it will not happen in any case.
Yeah he was on fire at Newcastle for a short period having been bought and then under Utilised, possibly through Injuries and strength of numbers. Also likely he was there under 2-3 or even 4managers. Can't remember who who It was under but for three or four months he was unplayable and undroppable,It all came to an end again through Injury, stupidity or another managerial change, reckon he could of got an International selection If that form had continued for say a whole season, In fact I think he did.
Irish Sky Blue
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Seven caps for Ireland.
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westcountry_skyblue
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Spotted drinking a Guinness in a pub so got signed up by Ireland !!
stupot07
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True and the mcgoldrick and Wilson examples are a bit pointless given both went on to show they were quality championship strikers. Best's career has far more in common with Simeon Jacksons than wilson/mcgoldrick. For every mcgoldrick there's 3-4 Elliot's, Jackson, noubles, even Tudguy, etc.
Again as I said early I always rated him, but he isn't the same player who left us.
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FRY-CCFC
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True and the mcgoldrick and Wilson examples are a bit pointless given both went on to show they were quality championship strikers. Best's career has far more in common with Simeon Jacksons than wilson/mcgoldrick. For every mcgoldrick there's 3-4 Elliot's, Jackson, noubles, even Tudguy, etc.
Again as I said early I always rated him, but he isn't the same player who left us.
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Best and McGoldrick have very similar career paths. A decent season leading to a move to a bigger team, performed poorly, sent out on loan and again performed poorly before dropping into league one (hopefully with Best) to rediscover form.
Wilson was just a good young player.
stupot07
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I disagree, mcgoldrick moved when he was very young (21 years) as a young promising striker to a club in the same division, found his chances behind a large strike force limited mainly used as sub, came to us still relatively young at 25 and showed he just needed a run in a side. In fact he's still only 27x
Best, joined us at about the same age as mcgoldrick joining forest. Had a bit part couple of seasons, a good run then secured a big move, didn't score for the remainder of the season, had limited chances in the PL, went for another big money money move failed again, then failed at two more loan moves. Turns 29 in 7-8 weeks.
Mcgoldricks career had stagnated, Best's is on the decline - the only similarity is they played for Southampton Academy. If we sign him fair play, but I won't be putting my mortgage on him being the 20 goal striker.
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FRY-CCFC
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I disagree, mcgoldrick moved when he was very young (21 years) as a young promising striker to a club in the same division, found his chances behind a large strike force limited mainly used as sub, came to us still relatively young at 25 and showed he just needed a run in a side. In fact he's still only 27x
Best, joined us at about the same age as mcgoldrick joining forest. Had a bit part couple of seasons, a good run then secured a big move, didn't score for the remainder of the season, had limited chances in the PL, went for another big money money move failed again, then failed at two more loan moves. Turns 29 in 7-8 weeks.
Mcgoldricks career had stagnated, Best's is on the decline - the only similarity is they played for Southampton Academy. If we sign him fair play, but I won't be putting my mortgage on him being the 20 goal striker.
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Best didn't fail at Blackburn, he got a horrible injury leading to him playing 14 times in 2 years and subsequently fell out of favour to Jordan Rhodes.
How you can say that McGoldrick's stagnated and Best's declined when they have had a very similar progression and regression is just blindly ignorant.
Grendel
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Best is nearly 29 and has scored 6 goals in 4 years.
LJC_CCFC
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Tbf to Best after the injury at Blackburn he's gone on loan to sides and been something of a spare part. Did well at Wednesday, behind the likes of Chris Martin in a great Derby side - where he got 0 starts - and in with a flurry of misfits and loans at a Brighton side trying to stave off relegation with the overly defensive Chris Hughton in charge.
Regardless of this whole Best, DMC debate which is beyond dull, a fully fit Best would score 15 plus goals at this level imo.
FRY-CCFC
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I'm not saying he's better, I'm saying that McGoldrick and Best have had very similar career trajectories that Stupot can't see for some reason.
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stupot07
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But they haven't. The similarities: both are strikers, both played for Southampton academy, both have played for Ireland. Unless we're now saying that any striker that has struggled in the championship are similar careers. Best is nearly 29 and experienced player and on the decline, mcgoldrick was 24 still a relative novice due to his lack of goals and now 27, scoring c1 in 2 in the championship, in the Ireland squad, rumours of moves to the PL his career is on the up. If you drew their careers on a graph They would look completely different.
Best did fail at Blackburn, the reason may be an injury but he still failed - mcpake, bell, Keith o'neill all failed here mainly due to injuries. And as I've said I rated best, but we're not getting the same player back.
As much as I loved DMC having him is like a poisoned chalice - every single striker we get linked with "well DMC hadn't scored many before coming on loan, so this guy will easily score 20+ goals)
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stupot07
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We have the same debate every time we sign a striker.
DMC scored for fun = every striker stepping down will score for fun. FACT.
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Grendel
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If you graph them by age and goals they look totally different. Best and Jackson are far more similar.
LJC_CCFC
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We have the same debate every time we sign a striker.
DMC scored for fun = every striker stepping down will score for fun. FACT.
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Perhaps that is the reasoning of the half-brained idiots on here, but the fact is lots and lots of average players from the league above score for fun in league One. The gap between the two divisions is huge.
Grendel
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Try telling Nouble and Jackson that,
LJC_CCFC
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Although Best has played almost all of his career in the top two divisions, whereas Jackson has spent significant time in the lower ones. Yes they have both hit a slump in their careers - for different reasons - but one is better than the other.
LJC_CCFC
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David Mooney, Paddy Madden, Matt Done, Ryan Lowe, Leon Clarke and Izale McLeod can have a word with them.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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But they haven't. The similarities: both are strikers, both played for Southampton academy, both have played for Ireland. Unless we're now saying that any striker that has struggled in the championship are similar careers. Best is nearly 29 and experienced player and on the decline, mcgoldrick was 24 still a relative novice due to his lack of goals and now 27, scoring c1 in 2 in the championship, in the Ireland squad, rumours of moves to the PL his career is on the up. If you drew their careers on a graph They would look completely different.
Best did fail at Blackburn, the reason may be an injury but he still failed - mcpake, bell, Keith o'neill all failed here mainly due to injuries. And as I've said I rated best, but we're not getting the same player back.
As much as I loved DMC having him is like a poisoned chalice - every single striker we get linked with "well DMC hadn't scored many before coming on loan, so this guy will easily score 20+ goals)
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he's talking about before/when they joined us so anything Mcgoldrick has done after leaving us is irrelevant
Personally I think they have had similarities (up to the point Mcgoldrick joined us and best as of now)
Both had decent years in the championship when they were young, both had transfers which didnt work out, loss of form and not getting in the team, both hit rock bottom after serious injuries (let's not forget when we signed Mcgoldrick he had just recovered from something like a 6 month lay off and no one would touch him with a barge pole at the time we picked him up)
SkyBlue_Bear83
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If Best had just started going a bit shit as time went on then I'd agree with you more but given that his decline coincided with a 12 month injury I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and that if he can get himself motivated and fit then I think he can get back to something close to his previous level.
LJC_CCFC
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Fascinating input.