Covstu
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That's fine then we will just accept it.
France terrorist attack beheading (12 Viewers)
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The origin of the problem is total war and lack of perspective in the middle east - not people calling for borders to be opened. How do you stop a million people on the move? Call in ISIS? ( sarcasm ).
I am religious and I am proud of my beliefs, I respect others and expect the same.
A very small minority are going to cause pain and suffering to many others including others in the name of Islam.
I agree with others close our boarders, let them apply to get in, not get here then do so.
A very small minority are going to cause pain and suffering to many others including others in the name of Islam.
I agree with others close our boarders, let them apply to get in, not get here then do so.
yes, right...How do you process a million applications? If I was in a war zone, I would try and save me and my family if they were old enough and fit and enough to make the journey. I wouldn't be messing around filling out forms and waiting for an answer from some civil servant. The CSU ( Christian Socialist Union ) have proposed transit zones on the borders of Germany. Where are you going to hold the people waiting to be processed? Detention centres? Tents? Who is going to process claims? There are not enough civil servants. Who is going to prove the identity of the applicants? Most have no valid papers. Translatators are making decisions based on who the people say they are. The translators are often not from Syria and are not sworn in as civil servants. The immigration rules are de facto being ignored or bent. This is war. I find it amazing that many of the most voiciferous anti-refugees are Christians. ( TF many of the helpers are also Christians ). I wish we lived in a secular world where disputes are settled by reason, and not by old books and asking invisible friends in the sky for help or to justify barbarism.
Don't worry you won't have to tolerate the diabolical Western World much longer. You can look forward to a far more tolerant and liberal society under the religion of peace
We already have a tolerant and liberal society in Germany, which is why we accept people of whatever religion fleeing a war zone or perspectiveless camp in the vicinity of the war. The danger to this society is coming more from your direction ( e.g. "I am proud of my beliefs" as another poster said. Shows that ISIS are not the only ones proud of their ridiculous beliefs. ) and the so called "worried citizens" who would gladly throw parts of the Geneva Convention out of the window and go back to nation states looking after their own perceived interests. Been there, done that..... That is why Germany now has a liberal and tolerant society.
tisza
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wrong on so many levels.
The current crisis particularly in Syria & Iraq is Muslim on muslim (Shia v. Sunni).
The massacres of minority groups in Syria and Iraq have nothing to do with Coca Cola or KFC etc.
Last night's attacks seem to be about France's involvement in a bombing campaign against ISIL.
These people aren't fleeing from the West they are fleeing to the West - so it can't be that distasteful to them!! They are fleeing from people who have distorted ancient religious differences for their own purposes.
Where the developed world has failed these people is in failing to come together and formulate a constructive way to deal with the issues. Too many of those that should be doing something are governed by self-interest whether it be political or financial ( the fear of upsetting certain Arab states in case it harms business etc. is reprehensible).
I am proud of my beliefs, they don't really stretch far, just so much as not slaughtering innocent people watching a concert. My concern is that if France has effectively lost control of the security of its capital city now where are we going in 20 years. Who
Is the strongest horse now, us or them?
mechaishida
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Are we all au fait with the premise that ISIS are CIA-funded/trained operatives? Like the chap from Oldham who was detained at Guantanamo, then suddenly released after x amount of years and lo and behold, he's spear-heading assaults for ISIS in Syria.
ISIS are a tool AGAINST Islam, as the hatred and fear stirred up against them, is heading for a collective 'bomb the shit out of the middle east' mentality.
ISIS are a tool AGAINST Islam, as the hatred and fear stirred up against them, is heading for a collective 'bomb the shit out of the middle east' mentality.
SIR ERNIE
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These are despicable, cowardly attacks but I must say that the brass neck of Francois Hollande is breathtaking when he says he will now close his borders and tighten up on controls.
This is the man who only a few weeks ago together with Merkel, lectured other EU nations that they must relax border controls and accept binding quotas of asylum seekers. He even personally attacked Hungary and Slovakia for closing their borders. The French president said, "There are some countries that would like to pick and choose the refugees they host in the name of ethics or religion. There are some countries that would like to build walls."
Yes, it's possible that these attackers were French nationals but one of the few defences available to Europe against non-nationals are stringent border controls.
This is the man who only a few weeks ago together with Merkel, lectured other EU nations that they must relax border controls and accept binding quotas of asylum seekers. He even personally attacked Hungary and Slovakia for closing their borders. The French president said, "There are some countries that would like to pick and choose the refugees they host in the name of ethics or religion. There are some countries that would like to build walls."
Yes, it's possible that these attackers were French nationals but one of the few defences available to Europe against non-nationals are stringent border controls.
Cannot argue with your basic beliefs as stated here. No-one can completely rule out such terror attacks. The majority of refugees must have experience of similar attacks in Syria, that is why they are here. Many are traumatised. They are not the problem though. I think we are the strongest horse now. Militarily we are above them, but they will still catch us out. We cannot watch everyone 24/7. In 20 years time we will still have terrorism as it is getting easier to carry out - better communication, easier travel, smaller weapons etc.. Sometime terrorists will have "dirty bombs" or biological weapons. ISIS will probably have been eliminated in 20 years, but there will always be fanatics who love the glory, the power, the wealth and the sex that goes with it if you are at the top controlling it. Just need a " cause " to fight for.
The refugees have to undergo an arduous, expensive and risky trek. I doubt whether top terrorists, or even simple but determined tossers, would bother with all that. They will already have passports, ID cards and either be resident in the EU or fly to Europe. Closing the borders won't make the slightest difference to the amount of terrorism, but would satisfy the basic racism of some people. It may even disconnect us from decent people in the M.E. who would otherwise look up to our society.
CJ_covblaze
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Now Gatwick North's been evacuated. Scary times.
CCFC Germany
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I condone those acts of terror as much as everybody else does.
But Islam is as much a "religion of terror" or "religion of peace" as every other religion is.
Acts of cruelty have been commited in the name of Christianty as well.
Just spreading hatred will not change anything.
Killings + terror absolutely NOT are inline with Islam !
Remember the Norway attacks ?
Commited in the name of a Christian god.
BTW - Charlie Hebdo attacks commited by terrorists born + raised in France. So what should a border lockdown prevent ?
But sure it is easier to blame a foreign culture than asking what let them to.
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But Islam is as much a "religion of terror" or "religion of peace" as every other religion is.
Acts of cruelty have been commited in the name of Christianty as well.
Just spreading hatred will not change anything.
Killings + terror absolutely NOT are inline with Islam !
Remember the Norway attacks ?
Commited in the name of a Christian god.
BTW - Charlie Hebdo attacks commited by terrorists born + raised in France. So what should a border lockdown prevent ?
But sure it is easier to blame a foreign culture than asking what let them to.
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Sick Boy
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Like who? How often do you see death, destruction and control in your everyday life? Using your logic we should be going after all the young white British men in their 20s as they are psychopathic killers who only focus on ending innocent womens' lives.
Sick Boy
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The only smugness comes from the far-right who relish this sort of thing happening
Harry Krishner
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Nice to see all the UAF-type apologists turning summersaults trying to justify their misguided views to themselves- suck it up - this is the kind of action you are inviting with your empty-headedness.
Anyway, IS have apparently claimed responsibility- who can blame them with all the outside interference in their little project in northern Iraq/Syria? UK next on the list no doubt.
Genocide has apparently been mentioned to pre-empt any such future attacks. That is a little excessive. I have found many of the muslim people I've known over the years to be very decent- I personally have a lot of time for people of faith- but I will say one thing: to a large degree their views are incompatible with those of modern western society, and even though many just get on with life, they will continue to produce sufficient numbers that detest western ways, and will be prepared to act on it. Our grandchildren will be fighting this battle unless we are prepared to grasp the nettle and act now. Do not expect our politicians to do anything- they are weak and incompetent.
This event is (probably) not connected to the current inflow from the middle east- yet! That will take a year or two- maybe ten or twenty, but it will come.
So I reiterate my earlier view: Islam has no place in Europe- to have them here will only cause problems- as it has in past centuries. Time for them to go- no genocide, nothing nasty- just tell them it was a bad idea, terminate their citizenship and give them a year or so to sort out their affairs.
We'll all be happier in the long run.
Anyway, IS have apparently claimed responsibility- who can blame them with all the outside interference in their little project in northern Iraq/Syria? UK next on the list no doubt.
Genocide has apparently been mentioned to pre-empt any such future attacks. That is a little excessive. I have found many of the muslim people I've known over the years to be very decent- I personally have a lot of time for people of faith- but I will say one thing: to a large degree their views are incompatible with those of modern western society, and even though many just get on with life, they will continue to produce sufficient numbers that detest western ways, and will be prepared to act on it. Our grandchildren will be fighting this battle unless we are prepared to grasp the nettle and act now. Do not expect our politicians to do anything- they are weak and incompetent.
This event is (probably) not connected to the current inflow from the middle east- yet! That will take a year or two- maybe ten or twenty, but it will come.
So I reiterate my earlier view: Islam has no place in Europe- to have them here will only cause problems- as it has in past centuries. Time for them to go- no genocide, nothing nasty- just tell them it was a bad idea, terminate their citizenship and give them a year or so to sort out their affairs.
We'll all be happier in the long run.
FRY-CCFC
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You sir, are what we call a fucking idiot.
Philosoraptor
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Well said.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Syrian passport found on one of the attackers.
Sick Boy
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I think that your ideology is massively at odds with British values. Perhaps you should be looking to leave the country?
M&B Stand
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They only take to the streets protesting when someone draws a cartoon of a prophet, murdering in the name of their religion requires just a statement condemning it from the Muslim council of Britain.
Did you really mean to say that?
Covstu
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there was a guy in Germany not too long ago had this kind of view against another set of people, didn't turn out too good did it...
Harry Krishner
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What ideology might that be?
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Racist, bigoted etc.
The British people have rejected facism throughout the decades and the vast majority are appalled at the likesame of yourself.
Your views are massively offensive and how many people died across Europe in order to defeat your ideology?
Covstu
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Agree but I wonder how the public view will change if there is an Equivalent attack on British soil again, I think it would be chaos
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
It depends on what the press tell them to think
in all seriousness, the British people tend to be resolute in these situations and come together, much like the London Tube Bombings.Those who like to paint all Muslims as terrorists and suggest genocide, like some posters on here, do not actually integrate with other cultures themselves.
Using their logic there would be no Irish people left in the world as they were all terrorists.