Grendel
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You said that white players past or present weren’t accused of attitude issues. Wasn’t he white or doesn’t he fit the narrative?
I haven't ignored Kane, I just don't understand how he's pertinent to the discussion about players at the club? Hence the reply about Gyokeres.
On a number of occasions he was rightly called out for his selfish attitude and his reactions to team mates. Quite rightly too. Waghorn as well. Not forgetting the much maligned Thornton, not because he was Irish but because he had an attitude problem. Eccles has had dogs abuse for his corners. Is it his pasty complexion…. Nah he’s just shit at corners
It is flawed. Sheaf got dogs abuse in his first season.Oh yes Shipley was accused of deliberately not trying
You said that white players past or present weren’t accused of attitude issues. Wasn’t he white or doesn’t he fit the narrative?
I'm pretty sure Clarke-Salter got labelled as having an "attitude problem" (during second spell), although may be bad example due to the tweets situation. And I've seen a few on here alluding to MVE having an "attitude problem" as well. In fact, I think at least one poster threw Wright into that category. Really struggling to think of any white players, especially recently, who have had "attitude problems".
You're rewriting history on Kyle, he was just considered shit.You said that white players past or present weren’t accused of attitude issues. Wasn’t he white or doesn’t he fit the narrative?
"Selfish attitude" - which no one says by the way, you don't need to add attitude onto the word selfish - is not the same as "attitude problem".
And what have the complaints about Eccles corners got to do with anything?
Do you actually understand what the discussion is about?
It is flawed. Sheaf got dogs abuse in his first season.
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Someone started a thread saying Shipley was lazy
Shipley
I think pretty much everyone would agree he doesn't have the ability for this level. That's OK. He's not the only one in the squad. But my god if you haven't got the ability then at least put the effort in. A total passenger today. Just ambled around the whole time, didn't press and close...www.skybluestalk.co.uk
I'd refer you back to @robbiekeane post #78.
"Selfish attitude" - which no one says by the way, you don't need to add attitude onto the word selfish - is not the same as "attitude problem".
And what have the complaints about Eccles corners got to do with anything?
Do you actually understand what the discussion is about?
It was more, obviously classy player in Sheaf = shit. Super Max = cult hero. Sticking with stupid.Not for being lazy tho. The point being raised is that specific insult is handed out to black players, particularly strikers, more than others. It’s not “only black players get criticism”.
I’m not convinced that unconscious bias is a real thing, the science seems shaky to me, but the lazy thing has been noticed a lot and I think it warrants specific discussion.
Do you genuinely not understand the point?You don’t need to as usual own analysis from SBT is flawed
In 2 minutes I found 3 posters who labelled Hamer as lazy
You don’t need to as usual own analysis from SBT is flawed
In 2 minutes I found 3 posters who labelled Hamer as lazy
Was that a COVID cough?Cough that wasn't Earlsdon though
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Do you genuinely not understand the point?
Funny how some people are getting so miffed isn’t it, v telling
Yes I do and I am hardly miffed - your point is there is a subliminal unconscious racism and association of physical attributes as opposed to association with other characteristics such as intelligence strategy and guile.
Unfortunately you now with the comment about “telling” and “miffed” ironically yourself adopt a lazy stereotype argument
This thread is an embarrassment.
It was more, obviously classy player in Sheaf = shit. Super Max = cult hero. Sticking with stupid.
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Compared to Dave Bennett (full of running) and Garry Thompson (all action) Cyrille appeared to put in less effort. Also, at WBA Cyrille apparently put in more effort. According to some (I think I read it in Thommo’s book or it might have been a Bennett podcast), Regis was off the rails and more likely partied out when he was first here and later found religion. It might be that he was hanging like a fruitbat on a Saturday. I’ll leave that there.I am 99.9% certain that many fans labelled Cyrille Regis as lazy when he first came here
He wasn't great at all when we first got him for sure, but it was just his style of play. I never saw his as lazy, but quite a number labelled him so.
I would love to see the stats in general, not just for our club, but all clubs.
Throughout history there has been a stereotyping of black people as being lazy
Would love to see all the stats.
Jacob Murphy was definitely seen as lazy by many. He clearly wasn't. He just was never a tackler and wasn't good at tracking back, but that wasn't his game.
He was frustrating at times, but hardly lazy.
Or maybe it's because of his "unfashionable" views.Compared to Dave Bennett (full of running) and Garry Thompson (all action) Cyrille appeared to put in less effort. Also, at WBA Cyrille apparently put in more effort. According to some (I think I read it in Thommo’s book or it might have been a Bennett podcast), Regis was off the rails and more likely partied out when he was first here and later found religion. It might be that he was hanging like a fruitbat on a Saturday. I’ll leave that there.
Also, Le Tissier was often labelled lazy. Now he’s labelled mad and is mainstream cancelled because of his unfashionable views and doesn’t get TV slots. Must be his skin colour.
ThisRidiculous post, I’ve been a big supporter of Wright all season and have been trying to sing their praises when others have been moaning about him but I can fully understand why people have called him “lazy”. It’s nothing to do with the colour of skin, it’s to do with the fact that he often doesn’t press as quickly as others or get into position quickly enough or attempt to get the ball off the opposition as much others, it’s as simple as that.
When you’ve got Godden next to him running around like a headless chicken it makes Wright look comparatively lazy, and as much I’ve been trying to provide an argument about other positive aspects of his game on here over the last few months, I get that he does come across as lazy.
To reduce his play style down to the colour of his skin is downright ridiculous and makes me think you’ve not watched many of our games properly, if at all.
Bright had an attitude problem and was as lazy as fuck
I think that people squandering their talent and opportunity is as much an issue as anything else.I honestly don't see any problem with this thread. I think it's fine to at least discuss it and no-one is forcing anyone to respond, or even read it for that matter.
If it's all pointless, don't read it.
As I say, I would like to see the general stats. That would give a much clearer picture.
You’re such a thick c**t
Shock you’ve missed the point of the whole thread you moronI think that people squandering their talent and opportunity is as much an issue as anything else.
Bright is a clear example. For balance, so was Kevin Thornton.
People bang on that I suggested we looked at Hudlin when he was non-league and local. “If he was any good, why isn’t he playing higher” droned on the know-it-alls. He was studying at Uni at the time and chose to complete his studies. Now, that to me was worthy of respect. Whether or not he turns out to be any good I still respect someone with that mindset.
Laziness has nothing to do with skin colour and people need to become less woke and more accountable for their choices, instead of blaming everyone else for their lot.
I think that people squandering their talent and opportunity is as much an issue as anything else.
Bright is a clear example. For balance, so was Kevin Thornton.
People bang on that I suggested we looked at Hudlin when he was non-league and local. “If he was any good, why isn’t he playing higher” droned on the know-it-alls. He was studying at Uni at the time and chose to complete his studies. Now, that to me was worthy of respect. Whether or not he turns out to be any good I still respect someone with that mindset.
Laziness has nothing to do with skin colour and people need to become less woke and more accountable for their choices, instead of blaming everyone else for their lot.
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