No I'm saying we have set the wheels in motion as once we leave the EU (yes that's right) we will have the power the sign trade deals all over the world to suit our countries needs. Fantastic isn't it? I'm very excited by it. Britain is going global. And then a trade deal with Brazil and America. Very exciting stuff.
But you haven't... Japan has said they will make their stance quite clear. EU has priority. May is going cap in hand and hoping she will get some sort of an agreement to get some sort of agreement in the future. Meanwhile Japan says it will Settle it's deal with the EU a priority...
There are so many variables. that there's no way posters on a message board are going to be able to determine what is an appropriate figure. Having said that I would rather send a crew from on here to try and get us the best deal rather than the clowns who are actually doing the negotiating.
Bit more info here:
The EU "divorce bill"
Where are you getting that from? The reports I'm seeing are saying Abe has specifically not committed to a quick post Brexit deal. May is promising things she can't necessarily deliver. How has she committed to their being transparency and predictability in the exit negotiations and no damage to Japanese businesses? I'd like to take it as a positive but what happens if May turns up for the next round of talks with Japan with the Brexit negotiations having shown little progress?Might want to retract that seeing in a joint press conference this afternoon, May and Abe just announced that a instant deal will be done post brexit and is a immediate priority. Add that to the half billion Aston martin deal (not bad for the local area with the plant just down the road in gaydon) and the increased investment by Nissan in the UK.
He also said while Aston Martin were committed to the UK companies in Tokyo, Yokohama or Nagoya, or Germany, as examples, would be more reluctant. Adding that the prospect of trade barriers kept him awake a night.Andy Palmer Aston Martin CEO said:There will be a natural sense of uncertainty for a while. What we all hope is that while is not very long, the sooner we can get to a position where at least, for example, there will be no tariffs, that will be a big breakthrough, because that would allow you to invest with confidence.
In my world, when you decide to design a new car, it takes four years, and will probably cost you a billion dollars, those are big bets you have to put down and if you don’t know what your sales environment, or your manufacturing environment, is going to be like in four years, you can either hesitate to make the investment or you can make the investment with a certain degree of risk.
So the more we can hear from the politicians in terms of what they think they’re going to negotiate, or what they are negotiating, where they’re being successful, where there are gaps, the quicker we can get to that, the more predictable we can make our investments.
What I can’t cope with is my cars being stuck at a French port for six months. That’s far more damaging for business.
Where are you getting that from? The reports I'm seeing are saying Abe has specifically not committed to a quick post Brexit deal. May is promising things she can't necessarily deliver. How has she committed to their being transparency and predictability in the exit negotiations and no damage to Japanese businesses? I'd like to take it as a positive but what happens if May turns up for the next round of talks with Japan with the Brexit negotiations having shown little progress?
He also said while Aston Martin were committed to the UK companies in Tokyo, Yokohama or Nagoya, or Germany, as examples, would be more reluctant. Adding that the prospect of trade barriers kept him awake a night.
That's only an interim deal and it would be identical the EU - Japan deal. I'll be pissed off if after all this all we do is replicate what we have already in the EU.
Might want to retract that seeing in a joint press conference this afternoon, May and Abe just announced that a instant deal will be done post brexit and is a immediate priority. Add that to the half billion Aston martin deal (not bad for the local area with the plant just down the road in gaydon) and the increased investment by Nissan in the UK.
Yeah it's a cut and paste job for a smooth transition then tweak the deal as needed later, which makes sense to me. Just shows that we are a priority and a deal will be done asap. Which is contrary to what others have said.That's only an interim deal and it would be identical the EU - Japan deal. I'll be pissed off if after all this all we do is replicate what we have already in the EU.
It also says they will seek to do a deal which is not quite an announcement of a deal ready to be done the instant we leave the EU.
Yeah it's a cut and paste job for a smooth transition then tweak the deal as needed later, which makes sense to me. Just shows that we are a priority and a deal will be done asap. Which is contrary to what other have said.
that post is a perfect example of cherry picking the best bits!
Yes, there is a lot to be optimistic about but there are also several notes of caution.
I'm not reaching for either the champagne or the sleeping pills and vodka just yet.
But we haven't done a deal. There's a vague promise of an interim deal if Brexit negotiations go well and the UK remains and entry point to EU trading.Funny. Dave moans that it takes years to get a deal her when ones agreed quickly in lieu of leaving he's still not happy.
But we haven't done a deal. There's a vague promise of an interim deal if Brexit negotiations go well and the UK remains and entry point to EU trading.
But don't worry, to get that all we've had to do is commit our forces to assist Japan. A move that North Korea says leaves the UK facing destruction. And in the process May has managed to upset China who have said the UK will reap what they sow. So that's all going well. Weren't China going to be one of our big new trade deals?
Can't say when I was being told what a strong position the UK would be in out of the EU and how we'd be able to make superior trade deals it left me with the impression we should celebrate the possibility of getting a deal identical to the one we have as a member of the EU.
But we haven't done a deal. There's a vague promise of an interim deal if Brexit negotiations go well and the UK remains and entry point to EU trading.
But don't worry, to get that all we've had to do is commit our forces to assist Japan. A move that North Korea says leaves the UK facing destruction. And in the process May has managed to upset China who have said the UK will reap what they sow. So that's all going well. Weren't China going to be one of our big new trade deals?
Can't say when I was being told what a strong position the UK would be in out of the EU and how we'd be able to make superior trade deals it left me with the impression we should celebrate the possibility of getting a deal identical to the one we have as a member of the EU.
There are so many variables. that there's no way posters on a message board are going to be able to determine what is an appropriate figure. Having said that I would rather send a crew from on here to try and get us the best deal rather than the clowns who are actually doing the negotiating.
Bit more info here:
The EU "divorce bill"
Actually that's not what I said. I said we have 18 months to sort 50 replacement deals. Nothing has changed. Japan have said they may sign an interim deal when we leave the EU. That still leaves an actual deal to be negotiated.You said in a post above we can't agree deals until we leave in 18 months and scaremongering in could take 4.5 years and 50 countries.
What time frame do you think is realistic to negotiate 50 replacement, not interim, deals?By May's own admission the talks are to 'prepare the ground', so when are the talks on an actual deal going to take place? Only 18 months left until we leave and replacement trade deals need to be negotiated with over 50 countries the EU currently has agreements in place with. If you take the recent Japan EU deal as an example that took 4 years and 18 rounds of negotiations and is still to be finalised. We've got to complete similar deals 50 times over in the next 18 months!
Actually that's not what I said. I said we have 18 months to sort 50 replacement deals. Nothing has changed. Japan have said they may sign an interim deal when we leave the EU. That still leaves an actual deal to be negotiated.
What time frame do you think is realistic to negotiate 50 replacement, not interim, deals?
If whats been talked about in Japan today is replicated elsewhere the deal with the EU will be the most vital part as it seems other countries are keen to deal with the UK so long as they remain an entry point to the EU.Not happening so far. Seems the best we can hope for is identical deals we already had in place as a member of the EU and a worse trade deal with the EU.
How do countries outside the EU do trade deals? It's actually as an independant country bot too difficult - oddly you could employ negotiators for every country - you can then do 50 negotiations at the same time!
And are we doing that, what is the negotiation schedule? We can't even recruit enough civil servants to process the paperwork of brexit itself let alone 50 trade deals at the same time. Thats assuming it is 50, that would mean all encompassing trade deals. Many countries have multiple deals with different trade departments negotiating different areas.How do countries outside the EU do trade deals? It's actually as an independant country bot too difficult - oddly you could employ negotiators for every country - you can then do 50 negotiations at the same time!
Yeah it's a cut and paste job for a smooth transition then tweak the deal as needed later, which makes sense to me. Just shows that we are a priority and a deal will be done asap. Which is contrary to what others have said.
I read it as an agreement to have an agreement- which is what I predicted. We will see what happens after we have left. Nothing more has actually happened.
Not free trade with Japan? It currently isn't. I say that's good exciting news.
Not free trade with Japan? It currently isn't. I say that's good exciting news.
Japan is setting it's agreement with the EU - of which we are still a member. That is more exciting than a promise to have an agreement at some future date.
I thought that Brexit was supposed to have been a reaction against neo liberalism? Now it's more for it?
hate to break it to you, we are leaving the EU so the deal was for Britain and Japan to have a free trade deal. Good news isn't it?
Brexit was about controlling our own laws and borders and opening ourselves up to the world. A free trade deal with Japan is great news isn't it?
Brexit was about controlling our own laws and borders and opening ourselves up to the world. A free trade deal with Japan is great news isn't it?
Brexit was about controlling our own laws and borders and opening ourselves up to the world. A free trade deal with Japan is great news isn't it?
This is the most nonsensical line known to man isn't it. Like everyone who wanted to remain had the same view of what they thought remaining should look like?but everyone knew exactly what they were voting for apparently.
This is the most nonsensical line known to man isn't it. Like everyone who wanted to remain had the same view of what they thought remaining should look like?
By all means blame Cameron for making such a ridiculous polarised question, with no room for nuance, but it's utter gibberish to say *what* Brexit actually *was* and *is*.
Corbyn's would be rather different, after all...
That's the problem you don't seem to get we had a choice remain or leave, we could argue for hours about what remain looks like and what leave looks like but the question was a simple remain or leave and the uk voted to leave and that is what is now happening.
A lot more encouraged by yesterday's talks and my belief is in 20 years time when this has all passed we will look back on it just like I do praising the lord we didn't join the euro. Same people and businesses said our country would fall to bits if we didn't join it. London would collapse. People would be poorer. Mercifully we didn't join.
I have the same prediction for brexit.
was it? Plenty who voted leave said immigration wasn't a factor - but everyone knew exactly what they were voting for apparently.
How can you say a free trade deal with Japan is great news until you know the detail, if might be, it might not be.
May and the U.K. Are under pressure because of Brexit. There was no way May was going to come back with nothing. We don't know what was discussed behind closed doors, but we do know that a 'scrap of paper' doesn't necessarily count for hard facts. Any deal has been kicked two years down the road- at least. Wait and see.
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