Actual Nazis in America (4 Viewers)

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Fucking scumbags

 

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[Captain Dart]

I see Trump has just come out and defended the 'beautiful' civil war statues that are being pulled down.

That bloke really needs to work on his timing.

I was about to post something saying Islamic terrorism is a far bigger danger than Nazis in America (which I condemn of course) and then a truck slams into a crowd of tourists and rather proves my point. Unfortunately my timing today was spot on.

 

[Grendel]

The point is ideology. Nobody is condoning terrorist attacks, nobody. People however are deflecting away from the growing problem of radical right wing thinking that is becoming more attractive to people. If you want to talk about Islamic terrorism then I've been consistent on my view that we need to cut off the source of the ideology - Saudi Arabia.

There is no evidence that radical right wing thinking is growing at all. It's certainly no threat to mainstream society unlike radical Islam. I'd be very interested to know how you'd cut off its source as well. Roll the tanks in? Bomb the crap out of them?

Nazi terror is in Europe now. We've seen another example today.

Right wing extremism is actually on the decline in the US by the way.

 

[clint van damme]

There is no evidence that radical right wing thinking is growing at all. It's certainly no threat to mainstream society unlike radical Islam. I'd be very interested to know how you'd cut off its source as well. Roll the tanks in? Bomb the crap out of them?

Nazi terror is in Europe now. We've seen another example today.

Right wing extremism is actually on the decline in the US by the way.

We've let the Saudis, (and other Gulf states), spread this particular brand of Islam for a long time and unfortunately I believe that now the genie is out of the bottle it's going to be hard to get it back in.

I doubt we'll see an end to this for many, many years.

 

[Macca]

As this snowballs over the coming years I wonder how long it will be before a western nation falls under Islamic rule. 10,20 30 years? I mean it is gathering some momentum. Islamic State proved how even with small numbers how extreme violence and fear could make huge gains. The western world is showing huge cracks. Selfishness, greed, paralysed by self loathing and fear of causing offence. Interesting times. These people are really really ruthless and more dangerously extremely cunning. Interesting to see where this country is in 50 years

 

[clint van damme]

As this snowballs over the coming years I wonder how long it will be before a western nation falls under Islamic rule. 10,20 30 years? I mean it is gathering some momentum. Islamic State proved how even with small numbers how extreme violence and fear could make huge gains. The western world is showing huge cracks. Selfishness, greed, paralysed by self loathing and fear of causing offence. Interesting times. These people are really really ruthless and more dangerously extremely cunning. Interesting to see where this country is in 50 years

they did, but they did it by populating the vacuum(s) created by war in countries that were becoming basket cases. Could they do it in a more stable, secular western country? I have my doubts.
Could they up the ante with regards to attacks and the spread of fear - without doubt.

 

[Macca]

they did, but they did it by populating the vacuum(s) created by war in countries that were becoming basket cases. Could they do it in a more stable, secular western country? I have my doubts.
Could they up the ante with regards to attacks and the spread of fear - without doubt.

Just musing really. See here is a theory don't shoot me down or chuck the islamophobe thing at me.
There are 3 million Muslim in the UK. No doubt 99% of whom no threat to anyone. However, if you conducted a secret poll and asked them would they prefer to live under an Islamic or western structure I wonder what the result would be. Would there be an element who would not justify the means but maybe the end.

Disclaimer. I have no idea, the dynamics of this just interests and slightly scares me

 

[martcov]

Just reminded me of Jeremy Corbyn and the IRA or some South America dictator.

All sides are to blame.

They are as well. The other side are equally as facist.

Bollocks. The "other side" , our side actually, even if you don't recognize that, were reacting ( they weren't just hard core Antifas ) - on the defence. Defending against hard core Nazis. Some with NSM - National Socialist Movement flags - others with Swastikas. Hitler Salutes, armed to the teeth and shouting anti Jewish slogans. "Whose streets, our streets" reminiscent of the S.A. in the 30s. Carrying clubs and guns.. you cannot equivilate the protesters with this Nazi scum. They even said in an interview that Trump is not right wing enough. He shouldn't have given his beautiful daughter to a dirty Jew. So, Grendel in this case, you and Trump - who has the same opinion as you - can go and fuck yourselves.

 

[skybluetony176]

There is no evidence that radical right wing thinking is growing at all.

It's not like the NF have just run to second place in the French elections. Ignoramus.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

for fucks sake, are you using what's just happened to score petty points on a message board, terrible.
And you do realise he was referring the 2nd WW?

Ah, no my bad.

I thought he was talking about what just happened in Barca so was just responding accordingly.

Statement retracted.

 

[martcov]

As this snowballs over the coming years I wonder how long it will be before a western nation falls under Islamic rule. 10,20 30 years? I mean it is gathering some momentum. Islamic State proved how even with small numbers how extreme violence and fear could make huge gains. The western world is showing huge cracks. Selfishness, greed, paralysed by self loathing and fear of causing offence. Interesting times. These people are really really ruthless and more dangerously extremely cunning. Interesting to see where this country is in 50 years

The western world- what's left of it in Europe is not falling apart. "These people" have zero power and
their influence is limited to labil young people. It isn't snowballing. There are no Islamic marches with thousands of tooled up Muslims carrying torches.. nothing comparable to the FN or AfD. Just lone petty criminals who think they can get into heaven by killing non believers.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I was about to post something saying Islamic terrorism is a far bigger danger than Nazis in America (which I condemn of course) and then a truck slams into a crowd of tourists and rather proves my point. Unfortunately my timing today was spot on.

I was about to do the same actually.

Fucked up shit.

 

[Captain Dart]

The western world- what's left of it in Europe is not falling apart. "These people" have zero power and
their influence is limited to labil young people. It isn't snowballing. There are no Islamic marches with thousands of tooled up Muslims carrying torches.. nothing comparable to the FN or AfD. Just lone petty criminals who think they can get into heaven by killing non believers.

Ostrich.

 

[Macca]

The western world- what's left of it in Europe is not falling apart. "These people" have zero power and
their influence is limited to labil young people. It isn't snowballing. There are no Islamic marches with thousands of tooled up Muslims carrying torches.. nothing comparable to the FN or AfD. Just lone petty criminals who think they can get into heaven by killing non believers.

Just looking at the recent few years seemed to be an upturn in fatal attacks in Western Europe.

So what's your theory? I'm not point scoring, sounds like your concern is a 1930's repeat of a Nazi uprising?

 

[Captain Dart]

 

[martcov]

I was about to post something saying Islamic terrorism is a far bigger danger than Nazis in America (which I condemn of course) and then a truck slams into a crowd of tourists and rather proves my point. Unfortunately my timing today was spot on.

An even bigger danger is an ignorant fool with the USA nuclear codes.

 

[clint van damme]

just heard an eye witness account.
Wanker was swerving from one side of the road to the other aiming at people at the little roadside stalls. How can you have such contempt for the life of a fellow human?

 

[martcov]

Just looking at the recent few years seemed to be an upturn in fatal attacks in Western Europe.

So what's your theory? I'm not point scoring, sounds like your concern is a 1930's repeat of a Nazi uprising?

That there are more loners carrying out attacks. Nutters being used as human bombs.

Danger is that in our rage we let people like Trump and his cronies take over our countries. The unstable situation in the late 20s and early 30s let the Nazis in. They offered stability and seemed to know what they were doing. Jobs... as Trump keeps saying. Hitler reduced unemployment from 6 million down to very little. Wages were low, but people were doing things and felt like part of a greater movement- as Trump keeps telling his supporters they are. Lots of similarities.. and not specifically attacking the neo Nazis will embolden them. That is a bigger danger long term than islamists who are uncoordinated..

 

[Captain Dart]

An even bigger danger is an ignorant fool with the USA nuclear codes.

Yes, Trump will be gone in 3+ years, Muslims have been attacking the west for over 1000 years and after a relative lull in the past 100yrs are renewing their assaults.

 

[Macca]

That there are more loners carrying out attacks. Nutters being used as human bombs.

Danger is that in our rage we let people like Trump and his cronies take over our countries. The unstable situation in the late 20s and early 30s let the Nazis in. They offered stability and seemed to know what they were doing. Jobs... as Trump keeps saying. Hitler reduced unemployment from 6 million down to very little. Wages were low, but people were doing things and felt like part of a greater movement- as Trump keeps telling his supporters they are. Lots of similarities.. and not specifically attacking the neo Nazis will embolden them. That is a bigger danger long term than islamists who are uncoordinated..

I could see them being a threat in the US but I guess they aren't who I'm worried about as I walk the streets of large western cities. People were more gullible in those days I mean in the Great War millions of men volunteered to risk life and limb for the fucking King for gods sake

 

[Grendel]

Bollocks. The "other side" , our side actually, even if you don't recognize that, were reacting ( they weren't just hard core Antifas ) - on the defence. Defending against hard core Nazis. Some with NSM - National Socialist Movement flags - others with Swastikas. Hitler Salutes, armed to the teeth and shouting anti Jewish slogans. "Whose streets, our streets" reminiscent of the S.A. in the 30s. Carrying clubs and guns.. you cannot equivilate the protesters with this Nazi scum. They even said in an interview that Trump is not right wing enough. He shouldn't have given his beautiful daughter to a dirty Jew. So, Grendel in this case, you and Trump - who has the same opinion as you - can go and fuck yourselves.

You really are a long way behind on this thread aren't you. Your rhetoric proves my subsequent points.

 

[martcov]

Yes, Trump will be gone in 3+ years, Muslims have been attacking the west for over 1000 years and after a relative lull in the past 100yrs are renewing their assaults.

Who are "muslims"? How many? What lull have we had regarding getting involved in wars in Muslim countries? I would say the West had killed more muslims in the last 20 years alone than a few lone terrorist wankers. Doesn't justify ploughing into innocent people though..

 

[Grendel]

That there are more loners carrying out attacks. Nutters being used as human bombs.

Danger is that in our rage we let people like Trump and his cronies take over our countries. The unstable situation in the late 20s and early 30s let the Nazis in. They offered stability and seemed to know what they were doing. Jobs... as Trump keeps saying. Hitler reduced unemployment from 6 million down to very little. Wages were low, but people were doing things and felt like part of a greater movement- as Trump keeps telling his supporters they are. Lots of similarities.. and not specifically attacking the neo Nazis will embolden them. That is a bigger danger long term than islamists who are uncoordinated..

There are no similarities and the democratic system will always allow a subsequent vote every 4 years - you are actually insane if you believe what you have written.

 

[martcov]

You really are a long way behind on this thread aren't you. Your rhetoric proves my subsequent points.

I am catching up... my rhetoric proves I rate an organized demonstration of armed vicious power pulling internet supporters into the open to encourage other Nazis to come out as a demonstration that should be opposed by everyone who believes in democracy. Antifa would not be my choice of ally, but there were enough "normal" people there in the videos.

 

[Grendel]

As this snowballs over the coming years I wonder how long it will be before a western nation falls under Islamic rule. 10,20 30 years? I mean it is gathering some momentum. Islamic State proved how even with small numbers how extreme violence and fear could make huge gains. The western world is showing huge cracks. Selfishness, greed, paralysed by self loathing and fear of causing offence. Interesting times. These people are really really ruthless and more dangerously extremely cunning. Interesting to see where this country is in 50 years

You are 100% correct.

Corbyn either sacks an MP or her leaving is "the correct decision" yet a Nazi obsessive like livingstone will be welcomed back into the fold.

The most racist act ever on British soil occurs in Newcastle and a judge will not dare apply an act to allow an increased sentence

This is desperate times. Ironic a poster who quoted Neville chamberlain is the biggest apologist on here.

 

[martcov]

There are no similarities and the democratic system will always allow a subsequent vote every 4 years - you are actually insane if you believe what you have written.

There are countless similarities in the rhetoric, the target "base", the "fake news" accusations as with Goebels "lügenpresse".., military personnel in the administration increasing the military budget, mass rallies, constant travel throughout the country... the democratic system in Germany fell out of bed with the Reichstag fire. The people to be blamed for all misfortunes were the liberals, the communists, the intellectual elite and people of a different race/ religion- Jews and Romanies. To get to a point of an "enabling act" an absolutely catastrophic action has to occur. This would be a national emergency granting the president absolute power e.g. Nuclear attack. Not much chance of that happening, but plenty of chance for civil unrest.

 

[Grendel]

There are countless similarities in the rhetoric, the target "base", the "fake news" accusations as with Goebels "lügenpresse".., military personnel in the administration increasing the military budget, mass rallies, constant travel throughout the country... the democratic system in Germany fell out of bed with the Reichstag fire. The people to be blamed for all misfortunes were the liberals, the communists, the intellectual elite and people of a different race/ religion- Jews and Romanies. To get to a point of an "enabling act" an absolutely catastrophic action has to occur. This would be a national emergency granting the president absolute power e.g. Nuclear attack. Not much chance of that happening, but plenty of chance for civil unrest.

You are bonkers if you believe that. There is virtually zero chance of what you describe. There is real chance of being a victim of Islamic fundantslism in Europe as we see today.

 

[Macca]

There are countless similarities in the rhetoric, the target "base", the "fake news" accusations as with Goebels "lügenpresse".., military personnel in the administration increasing the military budget, mass rallies, constant travel throughout the country... the democratic system in Germany fell out of bed with the Reichstag fire. The people to be blamed for all misfortunes were the liberals, the communists, the intellectual elite and people of a different race/ religion- Jews and Romanies. To get to a point of an "enabling act" an absolutely catastrophic action has to occur. This would be a national emergency granting the president absolute power e.g. Nuclear attack. Not much chance of that happening, but plenty of chance for civil unrest.

This could apply to Islamist propaganda too in fairness. The kind of stuff today's perpetrator will have been fed

 

[martcov]

You are bonkers if you believe that. There is virtually zero chance of what you describe. There is real chance of being a victim of Islamic fundantslism in Europe as we see today.

There is a real chance of civil unrest in the USA. The nazis have been emboldened. There will be race attacks or attacks on muslims and Muslim institutions.

 

[Grendel]

There is a real chance of civil unrest in the USA. The nazis have been emboldened. There will be race attacks or attacks on muslims and Muslim institutions.

In the same way there are frequent attacks on Christian institutions in countries like Egypt?

 

[martcov]

This could apply to Islamist propaganda too in fairness. The kind of stuff today's perpetrator will have been fed

Yes. Of course there is propaganda, but Trump's administration is following a Westen Christian culture line as opposed to the Islamic terrorism.

 

[shmmeee]

I was about to post something saying Islamic terrorism is a far bigger danger than Nazis in America (which I condemn of course) and then a truck slams into a crowd of tourists and rather proves my point. Unfortunately my timing today was spot on.

Well both of them go about shooting innocents randomly and running cars into them.

Why choose?

 

[martcov]

In the same way there are frequent attacks on Christian institutions in countries like Egypt?

That's ok then? Let's go out and torch a mosque... we are talking about an Advanced powerful country with Atom bombs led by an idiot. Trump is pouring kerosene on the fire... it will get worse.. he mocks the people trying to calm things down... wait til Iran and China start reacting..

 

[Macca]

Yes. Of course there is propaganda, but Trump's administration is following a Westen Christian culture line as opposed to the Islamic terrorism.

Fair enough I think I'm just more confident of the Islamic nightmare becoming reality than the Nazi one. No one really knows, as I say it interests me

 

[chiefdave]

Just looking at the recent few years seemed to be an upturn in fatal attacks in Western Europe.