Grendel
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So you think social media lags behind newspapers? Really?
as in right or left or TV or newspaper etc?
If it's right or left then right by a long chalk.
Have you any evidence these Westminster ring actually exists. If so were the victims all not white so these attacks had a racist connection?
I don't think saville was racially selective in his choice of victim.
I assume you acknowledge the Newcastle and Rotherham attacks had a racist element?
So you think social media lags behind newspapers? Really?
Where are you getting reliable KKK membership figures from given that they themselves state there has been a surge in membership since Trump began his campaign for presidency?Their numbers are actually on the decline of you look st KKK membership as a barometer.
Why would people stay away from you in a nightclub because of pedo gangs? (unless of course you were 35 and it was at a kid's princess party trying to pull).
Exactly, and I agree with you. The British asian term is ridiculous, but again it is used because they don't want to say 'Muslim'. It means people like you, and many friends of mine that are Sikh or Hindu get put in one category. It's wrong.
I posted that table, without comment, as Macca had stated there appeared to be an increase in terrorist attacks in Western Europe.That table means nothing other than terrorism on the whole has dropped from sources other than Islamists.
I posted that table, without comment, as Macca had stated there appeared to be an increase in terrorist attacks in Western Europe.
Laughable how you say that table means nothing but then reference statistics that include attacks in the middle east, half of which is basically a war zone.
No I posted it to show the level of attacks in western europe and how it compares to previous years.No, you posted it because you thought it made you look smart and didn't think anyone would question it.
anyway back to a earlier post i made, we can hate both nazis and extremist terrorists surely?
so much arguing but i wonder how much we all truly differ in our views
exactly, without tarring everybody from the same ethnic groups with the same brush.
I am very much from the same demographic as many of this right wing nut jobs, I don't feel I need to apologise on their behalf, that's for them to do, why should others be expected to do the same?
No I posted it to show the level of attacks in western europe and how it compares to previous years.
What relevance does how many people have been killed in the civil war in Syria or the ongoing troubles in the likes of Iraq and Afghanistan have in looking at the danger to us in the UK?
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
The fine words of the second paragraph of the United States Declaration of Independence.
Trump should have condemned not only the neo-Nazi involvement in Charlottesville but also their very existence. He should have made it clear that there is no place for them in today’s United States.
Having said that, the largest neo- Nazi group in the US the NSM, has just 400 members in 32 states.
.000001 of the population. Roughly one in every million. They are in decline.
The KKK is believed to have approximately 5,000 members and are in serious long term decline.
They are all wankers, but the threat they pose is not comparable to the one we face from Islamic Terrorism. I know the USA and Europe are different situations really, but there are 23,000 people on terror watch lists in the UK alone and that should be taken seriously.
The Nazi's will now probably go back into the caves they came from shortly, but the next outrage over here like Barcelona will sadly probably be along soon...
I was pretty much of the opinion that the nazi threat is irrelevant for years. They rear their head occasionally before getting put back i their box but not any more.
I think Trumps election and rhetoric have given them an impetus I can't remember seeing. The ironic think is that no one will be more delighted by that than the likes of isis.
Not in the same league as the Islamist threat by a long way but dangerous all the same.
Speaking of Trump, the ghost writer of his book, The art of the deal, Tony Swartz is predicting Trump will be gone before the years out in a deal that will see him immune from prosecution relating to this Russian malarkey.
That link perfectly illustrates a problem. We all know there is a problem with Islamic attacks in Europe but by publishing a list that, which by their own admission includes Turkey which isn't in Europe and honour killings which aren't terrorist attacks, it brings the validity of the whole list into question which in turn takes the focus away from the main problem.Below is another table, this time of Islamic terror attacks in Europe only. It's alarming...
List of Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe
That link perfectly illustrates a problem. We all know there is a problem with Islamic attacks in Europe but by publishing a list that, which by their own admission includes Turkey which isn't in Europe and honour killings which aren't terrorist attacks, it brings the validity of the whole list into question which in turn takes the focus away from the main problem.
To me it would be much better to use reliable sources such as Europol and remove that doubt. Do that and you have a similar binary situation to that currently occurring in the states. If you're concerned about lefties dismissing the very real problem why give them an open goal?
I think your first point is still correct to be honest.
There is no doubt the introduction of Trump has brought out a load of degenerate racists, but the picture that gets painted is that if you voted for Trump you're a nazi. Which is why Antifa have been attacking Trump supporters.
That was the main reason I was talking about them so much earlier in the thread. It's not to belittle the fact that there are Nazi's, it was just to say my opinion is that there are no where near as many as this current media circus is making out, and that this confusion is also leading to innocent people getting attacked, by organisations such as Antifa. It's a two way street I think...
What on earth are you on about now?Before my last post, I actually drafted something along the lines of, 'what is your next excuse, the borders of Europe?' - I took it out because I thought it was stupid, but you actually responded with that exact narrative.
Before my last post, I actually drafted something along the lines of, 'what is your next excuse, the borders of Europe?' - I took it out because I thought it was stupid, but you actually responded with that exact narrative.
The left don't care about facts. It's why the Labour MP has been sacked and Corbyn is going on about Islamaphobia. The truth is as clear as day, but people just don't want to hear it. Look at Sweden too, they've stopped recording the backgrounds of criminals because they don't want to be offensive.
You've just confirmed my point that we're fucked really.
What on earth are you on about now?
The link you provided claims to be Islamic terror attacks in Europe. It then states it includes Turkey "even though it is not necessarily a part of Europe" and "There are some honor killings on the list, which may not fit the strict definition of a terror attack".
The figures are useless as they don't accurately represent anything. They might as well have titled it Islamic terror attacks in Europe plus some other places we randomly added in and some non terror attacks to boost the numbers.
As I said before why not use accurate verifiable figures which prove exactly the same point and show there is a huge problem. Do that and people can't point to inaccuracies in the data. You're creating the opportunity for those who, for whatever reason, wish to deflect away form the problem.
Far better to point people to something like this:
EU Terrorism Situation and Trend Report (TE-SAT) 2017
which clearly shows there is a huge problem and is backed by reliable and verifiable data.
Sweden has recorded a large rise in hate crimes with the biggest rise being in attacks on Christians, as recorded by the Swedish Council for crime prevention - does that really suggest suppression?
My word.The left don't care about facts.
Yeah, or that too.My word.
Just wondering where we're going next. The right are all anti-immigrants? Trump speaks for all proponents of the free market?Yeah, or that too.
In a general sense, I've got no issue whatsoever in criticising violence from all sides. That applies to Trump, Corbyn, and whoever. I never really understand why a comment about 'I condemn all terrorism' is seen as somehow worse than condemning specific terrorism!Trump isn't fit for office, he's not wrong.
The sweeping under the carpet and ignorance towards Antifa (and similar organisations), and the mischief they have been aloud to get away with before Charlottesville is staggering though. They also kicked the hornets nest at this rally and it kicked off. I understand the anger towards Nazi's, but I don't understand the sympathy towards Antifa etc...
Trump isn't fit for office, he's not wrong.
The sweeping under the carpet and ignorance towards Antifa (and similar organisations), and the mischief they have been aloud to get away with before Charlottesville is staggering though. They also kicked the hornets nest at this rally and it kicked off. I understand the anger towards Nazi's, but I don't understand the sympathy towards Antifa etc...
they kicked a hornets nest? What, by protesting against the glorification of a man who wanted to wanted to keep slavery? A man who stole and sold children?
You think that's OK? That march should have gone on unimpeded?
Even Mit Romney said Trump got this wrong, when you position yourself to the right of that man then you're getting into dodgy territory.
These aren't 150 year old statues though, most were put up in the 20s as a reaction against black people's rights and were part of a wave of racism that created segregation and a massive rise in KKK membership. Some of them went up in the 1980s ffs. I'm not arguing that they should be destroyed and history wiped clean but they should be put into a museum where they can be viewed in context as part of the period the came from, including the civil war, Jim Crow and the civil rights movement. They shouldn't be, literally, put on a pedestal to be admired without context.The march was right to be challenged of course, it's the notion from people like yourself who try to make out that these counter organisations are a bunch of angels.
I also don't agree with ripping down any statues either. Martin Luther-king was against gay marriage, do you rip his down too? You can't re-write history because a few people are getting triggered. It's silly and pathetic.
The march was right to be challenged of course, it's the notion from people like yourself who try to make out that these counter organisations are a bunch of angels.
I also don't agree with ripping down any statues either. Martin Luther-king was against gay marriage, do you rip his down too? You can't re-write history because a few people are getting triggered. It's silly and pathetic.
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