Actual Nazis in America (9 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

Makes me laugh when those in favour of leaving shout about democracy and the will of the people but get upset at the suggestion of a vote when we actually know what leaving will involve.

 

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[clint van damme]

It should be easy for a capable Republican but as we've said, Trump isn't one. He's a 'Trumpist'. The point is that just like Obama he is not able to implement what he wants due to his opposition- whether it's democrat or republican. Obama consistently claimed Trump wouldn't win- that's giving grief- in a position of power he wrote Trump off and had it thrown back in his face. And the last point is correct, the non-dick achieved little in eight years and as a result, the dick had to be brought in. Tell me, if the difference between them is so black and white (pun genuinely not intended), why did Trump win? Clearly it's because Obama failed. Hence, Obama led to Trump.

i think you might find a hatred of Hilary was a big factor.
Last time I was in the states in March I spoke to several people who voted for trump but weren't keen on him but they absolutely hated hilary. I never really got to the bottom of why.

 

[Sick Boy]

i think you might find a hatred of Hilary was a big factor.
Last time I was in the states in March I spoke to several people who voted for trump but weren't keen on him but they absolutely hated hilary. I never really got to the bottom of why.

Probably along the sames line why so many had a problem with Obama.

 

[clint van damme]

It was a factor in Trump's win, but not in his rise. Any republican (Rubio, Cruz, Paul, etc) would have defeated Hillary. The woman is the anti-Christ to many Americans. The point is that Trump trounced the republican nomination, and broke the record for votes cast in it by over a million, by critising Obama and vowing to be the opposite. I know it's hard to hear, but Obama did not achieve anywhere near what he wanted to and as a result we have Trump in the White House.

It's not hard to hear for me re: Obama, It wasn't a great fan of his.

 

[clint van damme]

Probably along the sames line why so many had a problem with Obama.

I'm not so sure for quite a few of them. One thing quite a few were against was the wall but they were laughing about that and saying it wouldn't be built.

Met an old guy who was very anti immigration but he was from Detroit, I'm not sure how many Mexicans make it that far.

 

[Grendel]

Surprises me tbh, never had you down as Trotskyist who fancied import tariffs, higher taxes, further state aid and unrestricted immigration.

Import tariffs? Unrestricted immigration? Sorry? Who are we talking about here?

Jeremy Corbyn: “wholesale” EU immigration has destroyed conditions for British workers

 

[Sick Boy]

Import tariffs? Unrestricted immigration? Sorry? Who are we talking about here?

Jeremy Corbyn: “wholesale” EU immigration has destroyed conditions for British workers

About as genuine as his backing for the remain campaign.

 

[Macca]

Probably along the sames line why so many had a problem with Obama.

If you are referring to his colour I think that actually worked in his favour, that and his personality

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Makes me laugh when those in favour of leaving shout about democracy and the will of the people but get upset at the suggestion of a vote when we actually know what leaving will involve.

In fairness there were no 'if' or 'but' or 'maybe' options involved on the ballot paper. It was a simple do you want 'in' or 'out'?

Nobody had a clear view of whatever outcome could lead to. As I have said before - a remain vote could easily have led to a collapse of negotiating power at the EU table as the 'will of the people' giving a mandate for the EU to impose upon the UK at will...& that thrown into the argument at every hint of UK opposition to anything. It might not - we will never know.

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[martcov]

If you are referring to his colour I think that actually worked in his favour, that and his personality

And his intelligence, eloquence and sincerity.. etc etc

Now we have an ignorant, ill-read, liar, bully, narcist etc etc

What a contrast...

 

[martcov]

In fairness there were no 'if' or 'but' or 'maybe' options involved on the ballot paper. It was a simple do you want 'in' or 'out'?

Nobody had a clear view of whatever outcome could lead to. As I have said before - a remain vote could easily have led to a collapse of negotiating power at the EU table as the 'will of the people' giving a mandate for the EU to impose upon the UK at will...& that thrown into the argument at every hint of UK opposition to anything. It might not - we will never know.

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We wouldn't be at the negotiating table without any files in front of us if we had remained.

The lack of being able to take part in decision making in the European area - where we are based - is due to Brexit.

The EU doesn't exist to impose it's will on it's members. The 'will' is decided upon by the members themselves- including Britain. Now that we are no longer in it, it / they will decide how Europe develops without us having any say at all.

Well done leavers.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

We wouldn't be at the negotiating table without any files in front of us if we had remained.

The lack of being able to take part in decision making in the European area - where we are based - is due to Brexit.

The EU doesn't exist to impose it's will on it's members. The 'will' is decided upon by the members themselves- including Britain. Now that we are no longer in it, it / they will decide how Europe develops without us having any say at all.

Well done leavers.

And the German, French governments in particular would forever throw 'the will of your people' into the mix everytime the UK was opposing something. The UK negotiating position could have been severely diminished

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[martcov]

And the German, French governments in particular would forever throw 'the will of your people' into the mix everytime the UK was opposing something. The UK negotiating position could have been severely diminished

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The same as the will of their people who are pro EU. I don't see our 'will' being any different.

 

[Grendel]

The same as the will of their people who are pro EU. I don't see our 'will' being any different.

Did the people have a referendum to decide if they wanting political union within the EU? Were we asked to vote on the Maastricht treaty and Lisbon treaty?

 

[martcov]

Did the people have a referendum to decide if they wanting political union within the EU? Were we asked to vote on the Maastricht treaty and Lisbon treaty?

No. Did an evil power force their elected government to ratify treaties? No.

 

[Grendel]

No. Did an evil power force their elected government to ratify treaties? No.

Ah so it's the government that decides is it? Good.

 

[martcov]

Ah so it's the government that decides is it? Good.

Yes, haven't you noticed that we have a parliamentary democracy? And the rest of Europe?

 

[Grendel]

Yes, haven't you noticed that we have a parliamentary democracy? And the rest of Europe?

So it's the parliamentary democracy then who should decide the terms of Brexit on behalf of the people then isn't it? Good we agree.

 

[skybluetony176]

So it's the parliamentary democracy then who should decide the terms of Brexit on behalf of the people then isn't it? Good we agree.

The word is negotiate not decide. The negotiations with the EU is what will decide the terms. The final terms will be a compromise based on negotiations. No one is going to get the brexit they want whether that be Gove, Ferage or Joe Public. That's why it's going to be a mess and that is why it will be argued over for decades. It's also why no one knew what they voted for regardless of how much they protest they did. No one and I mean no one knows what the final outcome is likely to be including Davies.

 

[Captain Dart]

The word is negotiate not decide. The negotiations with the EU is what will decide the terms. The final terms will be a compromise based on negotiations. No one is going to get the brexit they want whether that be Gove, Ferage or Joe Public. That's why it's going to be a mess and that is why it will be argued over for decades. It's also why no one knew what they voted for regardless of how much they protest they did. No one and I mean no one knows what the final outcome is likely to be including Davies.

I love a bit of time lapse stereo.

The way to can this narrow win rubbish is for parliament to pass a referendum act that makes it mandatory for them to enact the result of any future referendum if the result is over (say) 55% for a change and to do nothing otherwise. As it stands they can ignore any result if they wish. I'm pretty sure they'll fudge the issue & no one will get what they want in the end.

 

[Captain Dart]

Actual Nazis, they're called Anti-fa

 

[chiefdave]

Actual Nazis, they're called Anti-fa

It took about 30 seconds research to find that this was actually a Trump supporter who had attacked people on an anti-Nazi march with pepper spray.

 

[Captain Dart]

It took about 30 seconds research to find that this was actually a Trump supporter who had attacked people on an anti-Nazi march with pepper spray.

That was a different incident. Still nastiness on both sides there, but the Antifa are far more aggressive even though they were provoked.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

The same as the will of their people who are pro EU. I don't see our 'will' being any different.

But our collective will was to leave the EU

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[martcov]

But our collective will was to leave the EU

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But our collective will was to leave the EU

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No it wasn't. Around half the people who actually voted wanted to leave. Around half voted to remain and we don't know for sure what the rest would have voted. Hardly a "collective will".

 

[martcov]

Actual Nazis, they're called Anti-fa

No, Nazis are called Nazis. In the case of Charlottesville, they are proud to go on a torchlight march carrying Nazi banners. If the Antifa use similar tactics to the Nazis they don't become Nazis. They may be hypocritical though.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

No it wasn't. Around half the people who actually voted wanted to leave. Around half voted to remain and we don't know for sure what the rest would have voted. Hardly a "collective will".

Ah well that's democracy for you. Of those that could be arsed to vote - the majority want to leave.

Bleat all you like - deny it all you like - we are leaving the EU

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[Sick Boy]

That was a different incident. Still nastiness on both sides there, but the Antifa are far more aggressive even though they were provoked.

A Nazi apologist eh? Letting your true colours show here.

 

[martcov]

Ah well that's democracy for you. Of those that could be arsed to vote - the majority want to leave.

Bleat all you like - deny it all you like - we are leaving the EU

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Democracy allows different options and the right to peaceful protest. Pity you don't understand that.

 

[martcov]

A Nazi apologist eh? Letting your true colours show here.

This place is full of deflecters and apologists. Anything to alter the facts in favour of right wing extremism.

 

[scubasteve]

This place is full of deflecters and apologists. Anything to alter the facts in favour of right wing extremism.

Where has anyone been a apologist or in favour of right wing extremism? I just don't think people are comfortable seeing a bunch of people stamping and punching someone on the floor. The only good person in those 2 videos is the guy who jumped on top to protect a human being. Anyone is comfortable with the violence in these videos and wants to justify it one way or another has serious problems.

 

[Grendel]

This place is full of deflecters and apologists. Anything to alter the facts in favour of right wing extremism.

The only extemists and supporters of violence and anti democratic behaviour and you and Sick Boy.

The sad thing is you can't see it.

 

[Sick Boy]

Where has anyone been a apologist or in favour of right wing extremism? I just don't think people are comfortable seeing a bunch of people stamping and punching someone on the floor. The only good person in those 2 videos is the guy who jumped on top to protect a human being. Anyone is comfortable with the violence in these videos and wants to justify it one way or another has serious problems.

Nazis deserve all they get and are just as good at dishing it out.

 

[Sick Boy]

The only extemists and supporters of violence and anti democratic behaviour and you and Sick Boy.

The sad thing is you can't see it.

I forget that Nazis are lovers of democracy and equality. I'm sure the majority protesting either celebrate the holocaust or seeing it as a massive hoax. Fair enough if you are an apologist for these people.

 

[scubasteve]

Nazis deserve all they get and are just as good at dishing it out.

You sound like a lovely person.