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Otis · Apr 25, 2013

A lot of people do unfortunately, so I believe you are wrong in that assumption.

If you can't afford to go, you can't afford to go and that is the case for many, many fans.

I know of a lot of people who can't afford to go now, let alone if the match day cost was to increase even further.

BrisbaneBronco · Apr 25, 2013

Jack Griffin said:
If the venue was 30 miles away what would the real cost of a season ticket be?

Price of season ticket = £300
Price of additional petrol (23 games with 50 mile round trip over and above 10 mile trip to Ricoh at 135p/litre and 35mpg = £8.77 per game) =£200

Nice!

Think that FL ruling is that club should provide free transport.
Would not rule out ticket price increases to cover loss of support though.

bigfatronssba · Apr 25, 2013

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elephanttears said:
Why do you have to be such a negative prick?

You do realise that by resorting to petty name calling your making yourself look like the prick?

I only asked you a question, yet all I get in response is personal insults. How dare I question you. All hail elephant tears, the supreme unquestionable king of SBT.

Macca · Apr 25, 2013

What worries me is that some people seem to hope for any takeover to fail if it makes them somehow feel they ve proved a point

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 25, 2013

Macca said:
What worries me is that some people seem to hope for any takeover to fail if it makes them somehow feel they ve proved a point

That's the impression I get from a number on here.

WillieStanley · Apr 25, 2013

I haven't got that impression from anyone. Even those who have leaned more in the clubs bias in recent months have conceded that it's time for them to go.

SkyBlueHomer · Apr 25, 2013

Macca said:
What worries me is that some people seem to hope for any takeover to fail if it makes them somehow feel they ve proved a point

Some people are just self & pathetic though. No matter who you blame for this mess we are all suppose to be Coventry fans and want a successful club.
Personnel I think this takeover by PH4 or anyone must not fail otherwise under current owners I cant see a future for Coventry City in its current form

stupot07 · Apr 25, 2013

WillieStanley said:
I haven't got that impression from anyone. Even those who have leaned more in the clubs bias in recent months have conceded that it's time for them to go.

Yeah, I'd agree with that.

Mucca Mad Boys · Apr 25, 2013

Macca said:
What worries me is that some people seem to hope for any takeover to fail if it makes them somehow feel they ve proved a point

Who would want that?

I'm just saying that people are making assumptions based on nothing, and some people are jumping on the bandwagon, we don't know the ins and outs, and we'll have to wait for the administrator decide who's the best bid. - yet people are moaning at the administrator for lack of action etc. if PH4 and others are that interested, they'll stay in the mix for as long as it takes, the administrator can't just whore himself to the first public person expressing interest.

Just be weary of any new owner.

skybluelee · Apr 25, 2013

So, if this poll is representative of our whole support, and people have been honest with their answers, we would crudely be looking at our core home support reducing from 10,000 to 2,500 even if the 'unsures' did decide to attend?

SISU - fuck off. Just fuck off.

Tank Top · Apr 25, 2013

hill83 said:
If there is a way of making it known we won't stand for moving away then I'll be fully behind that. No doubt.
But if we do move, it's likely I'll go.
And I'd suggest it would still be our club. You'd still look for results no? Because you can be certain if it was Northhampton it wouldn't be their club.

With due respect! the Sky Blues ceased to be "our club" the moment Sisu bought the Football club. and whether we play at the Ricoh or elsewhere, the club will never feel like "ours"as long as SiSu remain as owners.
It was reported on "Midlands Today" that the "Sky Blues"were taking the owners of the Stadium to court, but no such thing is happening in my opinion, it is sisu finance
Who are taking ACL to court, I have felt that SISU have always been "THEM" and ACL and the Name "SKY BLUES" US, Our owners have not connected with us, kept us in the dark, and treated us in general with contempt, and of no consequence, to their undivulged Business Plans regarding OUR "Sky Blues"

italiahorse · Apr 25, 2013

Macca said:
What worries me is that some people seem to hope for any takeover to fail if it makes them somehow feel they ve proved a point

Some people think that a takeover will solve everything and are just happy to get rid of SISU regardless.
If I was the administrator I would assess both packages on offer and go with what is best for the club.

psgm1 · Apr 25, 2013

oldskyblue58 said:
simple question.....

If ccfc were to relocate to an alternative venue outside of the city say hinckley, birmingham, nene park etc would you go to our new "home" ground?

I wont

they simply cannot - pointless thread!

stupot07 · Apr 25, 2013

italiahorse said:
Some people think that a takeover will solve everything and are just happy to get rid of SISU regardless.
If I was the administrator I would assess both packages on offer and go with what is best for the club.

That's true....

Sub · Apr 25, 2013

SISU are not best for the club they had a punt messed up big time have alienated the council, ACL, Higgs and most of the fans (imho) so i can not see a way back for them now they have burnt to many bridges and people can now see what their whole plan was just to own the Ricoh arena at a minimal cost

GaryPendrysEyes · Apr 25, 2013

italiahorse said:
Some people think that a takeover will solve everything and are just happy to get rid of SISU regardless.
If I was the administrator I would assess both packages on offer and go with what is best for the club.

Fans with the real interests of the club at heart would want the Administrator to look at Sisu's record at this club- which is dire.
Or are you suggesting that anyone with an 'incumbent' contractor doesnt consider their actual track record in the previous term?

Can you (Torch, Stupot) give me an honest answer?
Do you seriously want Sisu here anymore given their track record?? the club is at its lowest point for 50/60 years FFS.

ajsccfc · Apr 25, 2013

Seesoo bum licker rent boy apologists memorial park!

italiahorse · Apr 25, 2013

Sub said:
SISU are not best for the club they had a punt messed up big time have alienated the council, ACL, Higgs and most of the fans (imho) so i can not see a way back for them now they have burnt to many bridges and people can now see what their whole plan was just to own the Ricoh arena at a minimal cost

How do you know this. Its a guess based on your opinion.

How about SISU bought the club assuming promotion to the PL would increase the value of the club and they would sell it on at a profit.
Things didn't happen as planned and they then had a downward spiral as a result of declining incomes.
It's my opinion, but I don't really know the answer.

Sub · Apr 25, 2013

italiahorse said:
How do you know this. Its a guess based on your opinion.

How about SISU bought the club assuming promotion to the PL would increase the value of the club and they would sell it on at a profit.
Things didn't happen as planned and they then had a downward spiral as a result of declining incomes.
It's my opinion, but I don't really know the answer.

did you see the bit where i put (imho) ? so thats my opinion not a fact if thats ok ?

Colonel Mustard · Apr 25, 2013

Tank Top said:
With due respect! the Sky Blues ceased to be "our club" the moment Sisu bought the Football club. and whether we play at the Ricoh or elsewhere, the club will never feel like "ours"as long as SiSu remain as owners.

That is a very pessimistic take on things. Fans will always have a stake in their club as long as they continue to attend and remain invested. No fans = no club, which is why I argued that "starving SISU out" is parricidal.

Jack Griffin · Apr 25, 2013

elephanttears said:
The price in my opinion has always been irrelevant, you either want to go or you dont. If were winning and the buzz is there no one gives a fuck about the price.

That is bollocks, it applies to a percentage of fans.. not to all by any means and the fair weather fan is likely to be deterred. It is a lose lose situation for the fans & the club.

ccfctommy · Apr 25, 2013

Tank Top said:
With due respect! the Sky Blues ceased to be "our club" the moment Sisu bought the Football club. and whether we play at the Ricoh or elsewhere, the club will never feel like "ours"as long as SiSu remain as owners.
It was reported on "Midlands Today" that the "Sky Blues"were taking the owners of the Stadium to court, but no such thing is happening in my opinion, it is sisu finance
Who are taking ACL to court, I have felt that SISU have always been "THEM" and ACL and the Name "SKY BLUES" US, Our owners have not connected with us, kept us in the dark, and treated us in general with contempt, and of no consequence, to their undivulged Business Plans regarding OUR "Sky Blues"

ACL 'us'? Ermm no,thanks.

italiahorse · Apr 25, 2013

GaryPendrysEyes said:
Fans with the real interests of the club at heart would want the Administrator to look at Sisu's record at this club- which is dire.
Or are you suggesting that anyone with an 'incumbent' contractor doesnt consider their actual track record in the previous term?

Can you (Torch, Stupot) give me an honest answer?
Do you seriously want Sisu here anymore given their track record?? the club is at its lowest point for 50/60 years FFS.

The club was down and out before SISU arrived. Remember they saved us from administration. I can see where they have gone wrong but anyone else coming in needs to compare their plan against SISUs. Otherwise they may struggle as well.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 25, 2013

WillieStanley said:
I haven't got that impression from anyone. Even those who have leaned more in the clubs bias in recent months have conceded that it's time for them to go.

I don't necessarily think that people are clamouring for them to stay. What I meant more was that there's enormous scepticism towards the idea of anyone wanting to take the club on: 'Oh but they'll never get a deal with ACL', 'Oh but without a cheap rent we'll still look at leaving the Ricoh' and so on. Half, or even full, ownership of ACL isn't off the cards for someone with the financial acumen and negotiating skills to do so.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 25, 2013

italiahorse said:
The club was down and out before SISU arrived. Remember they saved us from administration. I can see where they have gone wrong but anyone else coming in needs to compare their plan against SISUs. Otherwise they may struggle as well.

Immediate plan would be to get out of League 1-acquiring the half stake in ACL, and with it the ability to count all of its revenue towards CCFC turnover, would need to be done quickly to keep the playing budget competitive.

hill83 · Apr 25, 2013

Tank Top said:
With due respect! the Sky Blues ceased to be "our club" the moment Sisu bought the Football club. and whether we play at the Ricoh or elsewhere, the club will never feel like "ours"as long as SiSu remain as owners.
It was reported on "Midlands Today" that the "Sky Blues"were taking the owners of the Stadium to court, but no such thing is happening in my opinion, it is sisu finance
Who are taking ACL to court, I have felt that SISU have always been "THEM" and ACL and the Name "SKY BLUES" US, Our owners have not connected with us, kept us in the dark, and treated us in general with contempt, and of no consequence, to their undivulged Business Plans regarding OUR "Sky Blues"

I couldn't disagree more to be honest.
Coventry City is 'my' or 'our' club. Regardless of who owns the club.
We may not agree with all the shit that is going on, but come game day, whether we go or not, we look to see how 'we' are doing.

dongonzalos · Apr 25, 2013

hill83 said:
I couldn't disagree more to be honest.
Coventry City is 'my' or 'our' club. Regardless of who owns the club.
We may not agree with all the shit that is going on, but come game day, whether we go or not, we look to see how 'we' are doing.

Just not sure if I would do the same for Northampton Rovers

torchomatic · Apr 25, 2013

I think that's nonsense. I don't think there's anyone who doesn't want a fresh start with new owners. I do. I just don't want ACL involved either.

Macca said:
What worries me is that some people seem to hope for any takeover to fail if it makes them somehow feel they ve proved a point

hill83 · Apr 25, 2013

dongonzalos said:
Just not sure if I would do the same for Northampton Rovers

Neither would I. Not a chance.
But it's unlikely that would be the eventual outcome.

What if they let you start upfront for twice a season?

stupot07 · Apr 25, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Immediate plan would be to get out of League 1-acquiring the half stake in ACL, and with it the ability to count all of its revenue towards CCFC turnover, would need to be done quickly to keep the playing budget competitive.

The revenue might count towards ccfc revenue and therefore enable a greater wage budget, it will wont fund it so an invested/owner/etc will have to fund it. Thy money won't he a gift and quite likely be in the form of a loan adding to our liabilities.

Or me we need to get at least half of ACL, restructure the wage bill without breaking the bank.

It's alright saying let's spend money to get promotion....then what? Spend to stay up? Spend to push for play offs?

We need to start to stand on our own feet otherwise we'll face this situation again in a few years time.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 25, 2013

stupot07 said:
The revenue might count towards ccfc revenue and therefore enable a greater wage budget, it will wont fund it so an invested/owner/etc will have to fund it. Thy money won't he a gift and quite likely be in the form of a loan adding to our liabilities.

Or me we need to get at least half of ACL, restructure the wage bill without breaking the bank.

It's alright saying let's spend money to get promotion....then what? Spend to stay up? Spend to push for play offs?

We need to start to stand on our own feet otherwise we'll face this situation again in a few years time.

Promotion brings with it vastly increased revenue from commercial sources and a rise in attendances and season tickets. Once in the Championship nobody is able to compete without spending enormous sums-this will change with tighter FFP regulation on club losses. Without an owner willing to piss £20m a year down the drain like Leicester, it comes more down to the quality of management.

I also wouldn't estimate the contribution of the revenue-F+B matchday revenue alone in 2011/12 was £1.1m. ACL's total turnover, which I assume with 50% ownership we could count towards the club's income, will be quite substantial indeed. At least in this country football is not usually a profit making enterprise.

Ashdown1 · Apr 25, 2013

torchomatic said:
I think that's nonsense. I don't think there's anyone who doesn't want a fresh start with new owners. I do. I just don't want ACL involved either.

Everything and all revenue streams under the same roof has to be the ultimate goal but just not in the unscrupulous hands of a semi anonymous hedge fund with tiered layers of holding companies owning separate entities of the club within an unfathomable secretive structure !

torchomatic · Apr 25, 2013

That's ACL. What about SISU?

Ashdown1 said:
Everything and all revenue streams under the same roof has to be the ultimate goal but just not in the unscrupulous hands of a semi anonymous hedge fund with tiered layers of holding companies owning separate entities of the club within an unfathomable secretive structure !

Ashdown1 · Apr 25, 2013

If someone has enough money, they can blow them both out for me, that would be ideal !!

torchomatic · Apr 25, 2013

Can't argue with that. We don't need a hedge fund or a joint venture company bleeding our club dry.

Ashdown1 said:
If someone has enough money, they can blow them both out for me, that would be ideal !!

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