Astute
Well-Known Member
Apparently?
So what about the polls where those that voted remain would now vote leave as the doomsday the remain lot told us about didn't happen? No war. No 500,000 jobs lost.
Apparently?Apparently, in a recent poll, the REGREXITEERS outnumber the margin of victory for Brexit.
I think as it becomes increasingly apparent that it is unworkable (and not in our or anybody's interests) Parliament will have no option but to block it.
So you don't have an opinion in a general election? :joyful:There's a big difference between voting for a party and their policies in an election and casting a vote in what is essentially an opinion poll.
What a load of bollocks. Cameron and his buddies mentioned it enough times.The vote couldn't have been more simple. In or out of the EU. No mention of the single market. You don't need EU membership for single market membership, you don't even have to be in the continent of Europe. We didn't vote out of the single market. It's as simple as that.
So you don't have an opinion in a general election? :joyful:
I say bring it on. Leave no stone unturned.So it looks like May could have shot herself in the foot by appealing to court. Scotlands Lord Advocate is applying to speak at the trial. This could very well lead to a ruling that not only does it have to be voted on in the Commons but also in the UK's devolved parliaments.
What a load of bollocks. Cameron and his buddies mentioned it enough times.
They are both based on opinions. Nothing else.Of course you have an opinion. You also have a vote that's more than that. Why are people confusing an election result with a referendum result. They're two completely different things. One is based on policy one is based on opinion that policy is then formed on. A referendum is ambiguous by nature and sets nothing in stone whatsoever.
So he only mentioned Norway now?What did Cameron say exactly? I remember him saying plenty of times that we'll be left with a Norway situation if we vote out. What do you think the Norway is?
The pound isn't weak......its had a correction and now looks about right.......it was over-valued pre-brexit......for many many reasons.....
...and the UK were still spending beyond our means as a result....
A potential good long term outcome from trade tariffs (if they happen) & a correctly valued pound could be that we, as a nation, stop buying (importing) & consuming so much fucking shit.....almost all of it, of piss poor quality & instantly disposable.....be it fashion, food or technology.
So he only mentioned Norway now?
How have you worked that out? Scotland voted remain, if the Scottish parliament rules with the majority in the country they are the parliament of they will vote against invoking article 50.Any politician who rules against the majority will be finished.
They are both based on opinions. Nothing else.
So everyone knew exactly what vote leave meant but two of the most high profile figures of the leave campaign, Farage and Johnson, had totally different views.Farage never endorsed that slogan and actively criticized it. It was a lie. It's a vote leave Johnson gove thing. It was a lie and I'm big and ugly enough to admit it but to quote that and not the many many lies of the remain side is a tad biased. Every vote we have in this country is based on lies. It's about making your own informed decision.
OK she might get the independence she craves. She might not.How have you worked that out? Scotland voted remain, if the Scottish parliament rules with the majority in the country they are the parliament of they will vote against invoking article 50.
But they need to have the voters to have the opinion that they would be the best party to take us forward before they could get voted in.Policy is more than opinion. Especially once you've won the election and taken power.
If the court decides all UK devolved parliaments must vote then if any one of them votes against continuing with brexit that's it, doesn't matter what the rest vote. Given that both Scotland and NI voted no I'd say its pretty risky for May, assuming this isn't all a plan to stop brexit happening.OK she might get the independence she craves. She might not.
How about the rest of them?
And you still ignore everything else he said.Do you know what the Norway situation is and what he said about it?
If the court decides all UK devolved parliaments must vote then if any one of them votes against continuing with brexit that's it, doesn't matter what the rest vote. Given that both Scotland and NI voted no I'd say its pretty risky for May, assuming this isn't all a plan to stop brexit happening.
And £136m is an insignificant amount?So everyone knew exactly what vote leave meant but two of the most high profile figures of the leave campaign, Farage and Johnson, had totally different views.
Has there ever been a more blatant lie than the official vote leave bus having £350m to the NHS plastered down the side of it. We don't even send £350m a week for a start, its less than £250m and then if you account for what the EU spends in the UK it comes down to around £136m a week. I'm struggling to think of a bigger outright lie that has been told in any campaign.
So everyone knew exactly what vote leave meant but two of the most high profile figures of the leave campaign, Farage and Johnson, had totally different views.
Has there ever been a more blatant lie than the official vote leave bus having £350m to the NHS plastered down the side of it. We don't even send £350m a week for a start, its less than £250m and then if you account for what the EU spends in the UK it comes down to around £136m a week. I'm struggling to think of a bigger outright lie that has been told in any campaign.
And £136m is an insignificant amount?
How about we would go to war if we got the leave vote? Inflation would rocket? House prices would collapse? 500,000 jobs lost immediately? Stock market crash?
And you still ignore everything else he said.
So who do you know that voted for Farage or Boris? I don't know anyone who did. They did put people off voting leave though.Farage and Boris weren't that far apart crucially on the single market. Both kept pointing at Norway as an example of not being in the EU and adopting it. Although Ferage seems to be doing a U turn now. Gove was the only one who really put his hat firmly on the out of the EU and single market peg which is why he turned on Boris after the result and why he failed in his bid to become leader.
This is why I keep saying people didn't understand what they were voting for. The remain campaign was against a Norway situation should we vote out whereas the out campaign was indifferent to it. Some of the main voices for a Norway and a few against. The out campaign was so ambiguous depending on what you paid attention to it means two completely different things.
The stock market didn't crash. It went down for a small amount of time then went straight back up. It wasn't a crash at all.the stock market did crash albeit short term and inflation is rising sharply. If we don't get the European passport then thousands of jobs will be lost when the financial service sector decamps to Frankfurt.
It was Cameron who said Brexit could lead to war so just a tory doing what torys do best.
Go on then. Who said what to make me vote leave? Especially as I didn't vote leave.Not at all. What were the leave campaign saying about the Norway situation? If you voted leave surely you're behind what they had to say about it. I'll give you a clue. I've already outlined it in a reply to chiefdave.
So who do you know that voted for Farage or Boris? I don't know anyone who did. They did put people off voting leave though.
Didn't say that, I said it was very different to £350m. And is £136m a week going to the NHS as they were saying the whole £350m a week was.And £136m is an insignificant amount?
The war comment was pretty ridiculous, although there are those who will argue that the EU has prevented further conflict within Europe. As for the rest it was the general consensus of economist, agreeing to an unheard of extent. Some of their forecasts look like they could be correct and it would be foolish to rule anything out seeing as we haven't actually left yet.How about we would go to war if we got the leave vote? Inflation would rocket? House prices would collapse? 500,000 jobs lost immediately? Stock market crash?
Yes ridiculous claims by both sides as I have already said several times. Yet those who wanted to remain seem to think that those who wanted to leave fell for the ridiculous lies when they didn't.Didn't say that, I said it was very different to £350m. And is £136m a week going to the NHS as they were saying the whole £350m a week was.
The war comment was pretty ridiculous, although there are those who will argue that the EU has prevented further conflict within Europe. As for the rest it was the general consensus of economist, agreeing to an unheard of extent. Some of their forecasts look like they could be correct and it would be foolish to rule anything out seeing as we haven't actually left yet.
Right so your assertion is that nobody who heard about the war threat got a bit worried?Right so your assertion is that nobody who say constant reference to £350m a week to the NHS if we leave voted believing the NHS would get the money being promised?
Right so your assertion is that nobody who say constant reference to £350m a week to the NHS if we leave voted believing the NHS would get the money being promised?
Except I never made that statement. This thread has numerous posts stating that those who voted leave knew exactly what brexit meant and exactly what they were and won't voting for.Right so your assertion is that nobody who heard about the war threat got a bit worried?
And those who voted remain knew what they were voting for? Like no war or stock market crash. Plummeting house prices?Except I never made that statement. This thread has numerous posts stating that those who voted leave knew exactly what brexit meant and exactly what they were and won't voting for.
Well as voting remain meant things staying the same it wasn't too hard to work out.And those who voted remain knew what they were voting for?
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