Calista
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Fair enough - no point Anderson going to talk to them then. And no possibility that new investors will ever try to bring things together either.
Unless wasps sell us 50% of ACL we will never be proper partnership, just a landlord and tenant relationship, and they aren't going to do that when they are using it as security of for £42m bond scheme.
First point is you havent been right yet, how long do I give it a decade? a century? Its laughable.
Secondly what does having a season ticket matter with respect to talking about a new ground?
I dont have one but does that mean you, you arrogant arse, have more right to peddle your view than I have to express mine. There are many people on the site like me, that due to a variety of reasons cant be season ticket holder, and we dont need idiots like you, claiming their view is more important like they are some gold star superfan.
You embarrass yourself peddling that crap..
How can I be proved right if nothing has happened yet ?
Don't talk to me about arrogance when you put me down for supporting Wasps and making money from their supporters. Man up.
People only point it out because of your views and things you have said.How can I be proved right if nothing has happened yet ?
Don't talk to me about arrogance when you put me down for supporting Wasps and making money from their supporters. Man up.
Why do I? I thought you did.
Why would I, I am not in Italias league.
Yes Sisu should save their money and use it to buy the Wasps, then they can get the full potential of the Arena as they have always wanted.footnote to that: it's not about ownership but security of tenure at the right value that makes everything viable. You don't have to own your own stadium to be able to sell the football club for a good price. Access to a top stadium like the Ricoh at almost peppercorn rents or a shared ownership would be more value than anything achievable at the Butts.
Completely and totally agree.Thanks everyone. This thread was an entertaining read. So here is my useless points to add to the other useless points made so far.
To have a tiered stadium you would need it to be set back from the pitch or to be very steep so the top tier can see the pitch. There isn't room to be set away from the pitch and a steep top tier wouldn't happen.
The only stand built now is very narrow because of the building behind it. And they would also have a right to light.
Is there room to move the pitch over and up? Otherwise there would also be a corner with not much space because of the train line. If this was to happen the two clubs playing there already would have to find somewhere to play whilst it is moved and built.
We have seen what happens to the pitch during winter with a football team and a rugger team playing on the same pitch. So imagine a football team and two rugger teams.
As Otis has said what about the parking? Spaces can be hard to find on a Saturday as it is.
Why is it that some of the same people go on about us not being able to afford to be in the Championship but say a 12k to 15k stadium would be sufficient? What other income except for pie money would it generate? It is said we already get 50%. And what would the 365 income be? So would it be a wise move to spend lots of money on a project just to get the other 50%?
Extend the stands during closed season? If you put stands up you wouldn't be able to get to half of the stadium on the outside. And how quickly do you think it can be done?
A great location but just not big enough.
To be honest I don't think that really comes into it.
A massive new Tesco has opened today in what used to be the car park at Fratton Park (they are now landlocked with no car park and no room for expansion). The land it was on was restricted use to prevent it being used for anything other than the football club. That was torn up. There were thousands of objections, its in an area that already has huge traffic problems with no infrastructure improvements but it all got waved straight through.
The fact that there is already a stadium there and there has previously been planning permission for a bigger stadium there wouldn't do any harm either.
Fair enough - no point Anderson going to talk to them then. And no possibility that new investors will ever try to bring things together either.
Regarding the comments about the attendance limiting our ambitions and increasing wasps fan base by the usual suspects. How does that work? There attendances are falling now. If we moved out would they suddenly go up? Imagine the egg on the face if this happened and wasps went bust cos of the bonds. The council would not only have sold it under value but would also be left with an empty stadium. And this time other than ourselves I couldn't see anyone buying it. Does anyone think the rugby club might be as pissed off with the council as some of us and went to the club and suggested the possibility?
Car Parking ? There was non at Highfield Road - and then gates were much higher in the Premiership and Championship (early days). 35,000 plus ? We all found somewhere to park and walk up.
footnote to that: it's not about ownership but security of tenure at the right value that makes everything viable. You don't have to own your own stadium to be able to sell the football club for a good price. Access to a top stadium like the Ricoh at almost peppercorn rents or a shared ownership would be more value than anything achievable at the Butts.
Car Parking ? There was non at Highfield Road - and then gates were much higher in the Premiership and Championship (early days). 35,000 plus ? We all found somewhere to park and walk up.
They could buy up the derelict boozer over the road, Plenty of room for shops and food joints there.
I agree, a long term agreement at Ricoh would make the club a sellable product, especially if in Championship.
Why would any investor buy a club without a stadium? Other than sisu and we all know what people think of them. With ffp being introduced and minimising the amount an investor could put in our only hope is other revenue sources. Now admittedly the butts would be limited in this regard but no more than we are currently.
Can someone please tell me where there's space to accommodate a 25,000 seater stadium here?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Butts+Park/@52.4069883,-1.52275,1141m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xb97e0f1a463b8725!6m1!1e1
What kind of buyers do you think will be queuing up to buy the football club with no/little prospect of owning the stadium?
I would say that there is more chance of someone being interested if we had a long term deal at a decent rent at the Ricoh than having to also pay for a ground that isn't good enough to take us forward.
There are a lot of clubs that rent their grounds. Are you saying that none of these have ever been taken over?
What kind of buyers do you think will be queuing up to buy the football club with no/little prospect of owning the stadium?
Am sure I have seen this on here before but there are number of clubs who rent stadiums long term and have been bought and sold.
I know Man City rent, so do Brighton, am sure many others.
All I am trying to say is the club is sellable if they have a long term home.
Why would any investor buy a club without a stadium? Other than sisu and we all know what people think of them. With ffp being introduced and minimising the amount an investor could put in our only hope is other revenue sources. Now admittedly the butts would be limited in this regard but no more than we are currently.
We won't have a long lease. We'll be tenants to the leaseholder. Sub-letting.A long lease at the Ricoh would give us a ground. If SISU spent 20m or more to build a stadium they would want an extra 20m or more to sell. Have you seen how much football clubs sell for when they are not one of the top clubs? So a rental agreement would mean not a large initial outlay they would want to recover.
How are we limited as much at the Ricoh as we would be if they spent a lot of money at the Butts? Yes we would get 100% of the pie money instead of what is said to be 50%. But the gates at the Ricoh are not limited like the Butts would be.
FFP does not limit what someone wants to put in a club. It does limit loans to a club as it is not allowed like it used to be. This stops anyone loading a club with loans.
Our club would be more sellable to an investor with money who would want to build a stadium that suits than having to pay for a stadium that doesn't.
What kind of buyers do you think will be queuing up to buy the football club with no/little prospect of owning the stadium?
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