olderskyblue
Well-Known Member
There are, but old fiver does seem to have had OSB58 in his sights for awhile....
Get you, the post Police.
I enjoy reading OSB's questions, he almost always brings something no-one else has to the discussion. There are far better targets for your ire.
If you not expecting answers it seems a silly idea to post the questions. I understand you consider they are deeply thought provoking but this is a football forum not a philosophy course. As I understand it from past posts you have or have had meetings with all the parties so why dont you ask them direct? I also note you tend to avoid raising questions what WASPS intentions are - now that would be interesting!
I can see the Butts as a viable option for 15-20K, moving past that I think you'd start to struggle.
Shame the old folks place is being built. If that land was in the mix there might be more options, you could even consider incorporting office space and a theatre into any new build to replace what is already there and give you more land to use.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say if we get promoted, we will average 20k at least next season.
It's an OK starting size, but you need to go at least 25k in the future.
i still think if the Butts is the way forward the stadium would be lowered, abit like stadium MK, if they dug it out you could easily get a 25k stadium on there but it probably would cost more... A question i want to know is the land behind the old collage waste land at the moment??? i have seen pictures of the old card park as not really in use, is that the case? theres also the park as well, if something was agreed where a community area was also included the location could be altered slightly to what we see now! would be a fantastic location but still alot of questions surround it....
Twice the average gate was 20k or above. If you removed games with 6k away fans it would be lower still. 20K is plenty for CCFC over the last 40 years.I think we've already proved that we can attract 20K in the championship so talk of 15K is nonsence.
Twice the average gate was 20k or above. If you removed games with 6k away fans it would be lower still. 20K is plenty for CCFC over the last 40 years.
20K with room for expansion by a few thousand is acceptable. 15K is tosh. Considering our move is all about revenue the suggestion of 15K doesnt add up.
If we play 23 home games and ticket prices are £ 20.00 and average F & B spend is £ 2.00 we stand to loose upto and over £ 2.5M a season in revenue over a 20K stadium. The reality is you have to throw extra home cup games in the mix and also take something out for segregation so we're actually turning our backs on even more revenue.
I can't see how a few functions (assuming that there will be room at the BPA to build these facilities) a year is going to make up the difference.
At 15K the rent at the Ricoh is going to have to be worse than it was originally with no share of F & B and carparking to make financial sense.
If we play 23 home games and ticket prices are £ 20.00 and average F & B spend is £ 2.00 we stand to loose upto and over £ 2.5M a season in revenue over a 20K stadium. The reality is you have to throw extra home cup games in the mix and also take something out for segregation so we're actually turning our backs on even more revenue.
Also, what about the 365 day incomes that we are moving away from the Ricoh for ?
Also, what about the 365 day incomes that we are moving away from the Ricoh for ?
Car Parking .. Gone
Hotel .. Gone
Exhibition hall .. Gone
Casino .. Gone
Retail estate .. Gone
Isn't average ticket price nearer £10? One of the biggest income streams we lose out on at the moment must be naming rights. If, and of course it is only if, the naming rights to the stadium and various stands could be sold for a decent amount that would make a big difference.
Out of interest, what percentage of revenues do CCFC get from those?
Twice the average gate was 20k or above. If you removed games with 6k away fans it would be lower still. 20K is plenty for CCFC over the last 40 years.
Out of interest, what percentage of revenues do CCFC get from those?
How many other clubs have hotels, casinos, shopping centres etc? Extra revenue is of course fantastic but I would think when reference is made to 365 revenues it is for us to be on an equal footing with other clubs not to have facilities and income far inexcess of anyone else.
So what else would gathering income at the Butts the other 340 days ?
Too close to the city centre but poor access. I stopped reading after that.PIE IN THE SKY. Owning your own ground is ok I have nothing against it, problem with the BPA is its too close to the city centre and has poor access. One of the major factors in planning applications in new stadia is the accessibility, they will also take into account the likeliness for agro in the town centre caused by drinking. Their are various other reasons that planners would reject the proposal for as well like infrastructure. This is just posturing by the owners to get a better long term deal at the Ricoh. This seasons performances on the pitch have happened because of good men being involved at the top of that side of the business, we still have idiots running the business side of the club. Their not here for the football as they have proved in the past, the revenue will arrive through the football side of the club. Its easier to manage a fix cost of rent than prat about with mortgages for a new stadium.
I would presume it would be similar income streams to every other club in the country.
... yes , and they are ?
... yes , and they are ?
Naming Rights
Functions - Birthdays etc
Meeting Rooms
Sponsorship (boards, stands)
Food and Bev
Guest Speaker Sporting Dinners (an evening with a former player and a meal)
thats just a few of the basics.
Then things where money would be saved (office rent, shop rent)
IT doesn't need a casino and hotel to make money on non matchdays.
... yes , and they are ?
Our average ticket price was £10 in our last season in the championship. So even at an average of 17,000 a game (optimistic) the revenue generated is at best £6 - £7 million. Most clubs who can use the ground all year round have far greater levels of turnover and they need it. Look at the attached. Look at the revenue achieved by the likes of Birmingham City and explain to me how that would ever be achieved on a 23 day rental deal at the Ricoh.
Where do you think we would sit if we were included in this league table? As an independent analyst what would you do on a Ricoh rental deal to grow the revenue to even moderately competitive levels?
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/22/club-by-club-guide-championship-finances-2012-2013
Though you have to ask why would Cov share that income stream with CCFC?
Depends on the numbers I guess. A % share of a larger amount may be great than the total of their current revenue.
£10 avg price at cov in championship?????????? i dont remember that
Same argument holds for Wasps then
Absolutly although I highly doubt Wasps are going to give away that much revenue to us. It could work with CCFC and CRFC due to the likley difference in incomes required compared to other teams they need to compete with.
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