italiahorse
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Have we not got £2M a year interest to pay out and nothing to show for it ?
Yep, wasps aren't going to say no, they have £2m pa interest to payout, as well as funding a rugby team.
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Have we not got £2M a year interest to pay out and nothing to show for it ?
Have we not got £2M a year interest to pay out and nothing to show for it ?
Facts again...Have we not got £2M a year interest to pay out and nothing to show for it ?
I'm trying.
I just wish people would not let Sisu off the hook with this nonsense.
All this is a deflection from getting some facts on our future.
It holds approx 3000, and quite a few of those are designated as 'dugouts'.If you go there and have a look at the existing stand, basic though it is it appears to hold about 5,000. There's room on the opposite side to expand, so building a 20,000 seat stadium there is technically quite feasible I would have thought. I'm not advocating it, just saying it looks possible.
One would of thought that the only way forward was to be in consultation with any council that own the land that may be available, which ever that may be. Trying to get 20k in to a city centre stadium on a Saturday afternoon will not work full stop and will probably not be allowed any way. Sisu have burnt their bridges with our council but their may be others out their that would entertain them with land that buts up to the city boundaries some where? Sisu has a legal right to have their day in court, the club will be saddled with the costs not them but if they win and get damages it may be the out they are looking for. I just hope that they can agree a long term deal with the wasps with some kind of buy in, the club needs stability off the pitch now TM has restored it on the playing side. No more talking of stadiums and he said she said with false promises and quango type committee's, conduct your business in quiet and tell people what they need to know when they need to know it. PUSB
Totally agree. As has been said before, at a push it could maybe expand to 12,000 seater, maybe 15,000 tops, but that's it.It holds approx 3000, and quite a few of those are designated as 'dugouts'.
The West Stand (if ever built) has the potential for around 5000 seats as it would be able to build deeper than the existing East Stand (almost to the park, but leaving an access track between the building and the existing perimeter fence).
The railway end is constrained in area but was originally mooted to be a site for a multi-storey car park with some viewing attached to it.
The Butts Road end could potentially house a large seated stand if the multi-storey was built to compensate for the loss of car parking.
All in, it still ain't going to be big enough for football, but could be considerably larger (capacity-wise) for rugby as there is no requirement to confine spectators to seating/fenced areas etc.
It ain't gonna happen.
(edited for splegging errrror).
No we haven't got £2m a year interest to pay out.
It's not being paid out. You have been told this. OSB has explained. Leave the scaremongering to the CET.
Nope. And I'm not sure what that has to do with whether wasps will or won't let have another rental deal in 2 years time.
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Facts again...
Maybe people are so angry because they are so misinformed, reminds me of that psb group who would keep going on about things that didn't happen to get people angry.
Although it's not being paid out, surely it's just adding to the debt and at one point they will expect it.
Could also stop someone buying us from Sisu as debt is an indication of the business.
I admit that I may be skeptical but I'm unsure how this affects our future.
So it isn't being paid out then is it?
I am no expert but wouldn't one of the "benefits" of them doing that is to stop any sort of takeover attempts?
Surely at some point it will be ?
Actions do indeed speak louder than words but they guy has only been here a few weeks so I think he deserves a bit of time to stand or fall on his own actions.
I get what you say about handovers etc but if I was in Anderson's situation I'm not sure I'd stake my reputation on anything Fisher has come up with - if he's actually come up with anything.
Everything he says makes sense to me but of course he has to follow through with these comments. We've been asking for a long time to someone to look at all options and that's what he's saying he will do. I'm not going to slaughter the guy before he's had a chance.
We have another 2 years at the Ricoh. That's more than enough time for him to come up with a plan. If the plan is to stay then we will either sign a long term deal or sign a short deal while the longer term arrangements to stay are sorted.
If the plan is to leave then a shorter term contract to stay at the Ricoh will have to be agreed. The ball then is really in Wasps court, will they agree to a shorter term deal or will they kick us out.
Dave he is saying we shouldn't sign a two deal it is too short it is nothing. We need a long term deal whether it is the Ricoh or new stadium.
Then he goes and signs the two year deal.
Dave he is saying we shouldn't sign a two deal it is too short it is nothing. We need a long term deal whether it is the Ricoh or new stadium.
Then he goes and signs the two year deal.
If it is a new stadium the way we have gone so far it would be at least 5 years. Plus where are the answers the the other questions.
If it is to be a long term deal at the Ricoh then get it signed up.
He has done exactky what he said we shouldn't do.
It works both ways we are giving Wasos two years come up with a different solution to us.
We played this game before believing no one else would want the Ricoh = hello Wasps.
Without the explanations of how we can actually find this stadium and why after three years we have just a picture. I think Wasps probably have worked out a new stadium isn't happening.
So at some point they will work out a viable option to not having CCFC there.
Then they will probably say 10 year deal or go.
Wish we woul just get on with negotiating the 10 year deal now and stop wasting everybody's time with new stadiums talk.
To be fair they have done well to drag the bluff out with only producing a picture so far!! ( just my opinion of course)
Really am disappointed in our local media not getting to the bottom of this.
Will it?
So it has gone from £2m being paid out every year to "maybe one day"?
To be fair to Italia, if my wife runs up the credit card, I'm not paying it out but sure as hell counts towards my debt.
The 2 year deal was already negotiated and in place just needing to be signed. This buys Anderson more time to weigh up the options and make an informed choice on our future, and get the JR out of the way.
We will never get as good a deal when we finally negotiate a longer stay, wasps will want more rent and probably more access to revenues that the current deal that the previous owners of ACL agreed.
He never said he wouldn't do a short term deal, he said it wasn't ideal moving forward.
This makes perfect sense.
Yes it gives time wasps to find an alternative to us. What are the options for them?
- Another football club? Very unlikely even on a temporary deal.
- another rugby club? Wasps won't want that as they will be in direct competitions or fans
- Rugby League? Can't see it myself, it's a northern game who has a loyal fan base. Also their season goes from Apr to October so wouldn't particular stop us from play there
- a PL U21's? They play week days usually in the day time so no competition.
- hockey? Played on AstroTurf these days
- American football? nope.
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But then you wouldn't keep saying that you are paying x out every month that you weren't. Plus the debt isn't to yourself
Are you seriously happy to hang the future of our club on what a third party may or may not do?
Are you seriously happy to hang the future of our club on what a third party may or may not do?
Trying for am unloaded question here, may fail miserably.
Are you seriously happy to hang the future of our club on what a third party may or may not do?
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The obsession with Wasps on here and this morbid desire for them to fail so those who backed Sisus plans can feel vindicated is kinda sad
I want someone to look at all possible options and tell us the best way forward. If that chosen way forward restricts us to a certain level I want to know that as well.
This new chap has said he's going to look at everything before making long term commitments. I'm happy with that. He seems to know his stuff and I struggle to imagine he's come here to be a SISU fall guy. Of course if, as his time here continues, it turns out nothing is happening and we're getting meaningless statement after meaningless statement then I will no longer be happy with his actions but I'm not going to write him off so soon after he's arrived.
Will it?
So it has gone from £2m being paid out every year to "maybe one day"?
I think the majority of Ccfc fans would like wasps to fail if it meant we could get the Ricoh (whoever our owners are)
I'm asking the question but you seem very protective of Sisu.
Does it accrue up and then get paid ? Was an accrued amount of £2.6M not paid out of SBSL in 2014 accounts?
You don't seem bothered that it's putting debt into the club at a rate of 10% plus.
Wasn't that already done when it was decided we are building our new staium 3 years ago?
From what the new chap has said it sounds as though that wasn't done 3 years ago and it's something that is only now starting to happen since his arrival.
Does it accrue up and then get paid ? Was an accrued amount of £2.6M not paid out of SBSL in 2014 accounts?
You don't seem bothered that it's putting debt into the club at a rate of 10% plus.
The problem is that I'm unsure whether Sisu would take it with the loan so would that mean a battle with CCC starts again to stress ACL out of business.
The problem is that I'm unsure whether Sisu would take it with the loan so would that mean a battle with CCC starts again to stress ACL out of business.
If we had some clear direction from the club that we were building a new stadium would fans still want Wasps and the Ricoh to fail ?.
What loan?
I'm asking the question but you seem very protective of Sisu.
Does it accrue up and then get paid ? Was an accrued amount of £2.6M not paid out of SBSL in 2014 accounts?
You don't seem bothered that it's putting debt into the club at a rate of 10% plus.
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