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Nonleagueherewecome · Sep 15, 2012

coundonskyblue said:
The West Midlands County Council was abolished on 31 March 1986, and so its districts (the metropolitan boroughs) are now effectively unitary authorities

Heres a challange then:

I will accept Coventry is in the West Midlands if someone can post a link to the West Midlands County website.

That's fine, but it isn't in Warwickshire either!

Anyway, we lost on the last ball

Darn sight more entertaining and plucky than CCFC, though!

Gray · Sep 15, 2012

There are no cities in Warwickshire since both Coventry and Birmingham were incorporated into the West Midlands county in 1974 and are now metropolitan authorities in themselves. The largest towns in Warwickshire as of 2004 are: Nuneaton (pop. 77,500), Rugby (62,700), Leamington Spa (45,300), and Bedworth (32,500). Stratford, Warwick, and Kenilworth all house 20,000-25,000 inhabitants, while the smaller towns of Atherstone, Alcester, Coleshill, Southam, Bulkington, Polesworth, Kingsbury, Henley-in-Arden, Studley, Shipston. Wellesbourne and Whitnash have populations between 5,000 and 12,000.

i win

Nonleagueherewecome · Sep 15, 2012

coundonskyblue said:
Why do they not say Welcome to West Midlands when you enter it?

'Cos it isn't as nice

Nonleagueherewecome · Sep 15, 2012

Baginton said:
I lived there for 3 years and never saw him, does he?

Probably not any more, but it's where he was born.

coundonskyblue · Sep 15, 2012

Nonleagueherewecome said:
That's fine, but it isn't in Warwickshire either!

Anyway, we lost on the last ball

Darn sight more entertaining and plucky than CCFC, though!

I agree its not in the modern county of Warwickshire, just as its not in the West Midlands as that doesn't exist as a county anymore either.

The only thing that we can say is its in the Warwickshire area, and to me the towns of Nuneaton, Rugby & Leamington have far more in common with Coventry than Birmingham & Wolverhampton do.

sw88 · Sep 15, 2012

Shaw is close to losing his teather in this post match interview!

Doesn't know if he's one of the three to be interviewed? Well if you haven't had the call (or figured it out for yourself Shaw), I think it's safe to say that was a silly question

RichieGunns · Sep 15, 2012

This debate has been raging for year lol

Once upon a time we were part of Warwichshire County. Then some clever person said we were part of the West Midlands but had our own County Council. Then another person said we were part of Warwickshire and so forth etc.

I remember seeing an article some time back which said we are part of the West Midlands Region with our own County Council (Coventry County Council) but do not class as a county (e.g. The County of Coventry).

The West Midlands does not have a county Council (as referenced by someone earlier) but encompases several different county councils (Birmingham County Council, Wolverhampton County Council. Leamington County Council etc) within its boarders hence why we share the same bus service and why you can buy a bus ticket in Coventry and go to places like Leamington (which also figures within the West Midland boarders), Solihull, Birmingham and if i remember rightly, further afield as far as Wolverhampton (Which is also in the west midlands region) and of course all the little towns and villages around these major cities.

Another point is what our services are called:

NWM - Network West Midlands - This encompases all travel whether it be by Bus, Train or Tram (Wolverhampton for the Tram)
West Midlands Police

So you see we are part of the West Midlands and not a part of Warwickshire...we may have once upon a time but we are not now!

1nilandwe... · Sep 15, 2012

I can't believe this is even a debate. Look at the shape of Warwickshire on a map. There's a big, distinctive, Coventry-shaped hole in it!
I don't give a shit about councils, or police forces or whatnot. Geographically, Coventry is in the county of West Midlands.

Sick Boy · Sep 15, 2012

coundonskyblue said:
Why do they not say Welcome to West Midlands when you enter it?

Because Coventry is no longer part of the West Midlands. It is a unitary authority.

Nonleagueherewecome · Sep 15, 2012

Gray said:
There are no cities in Warwickshire since both Coventry and Birmingham were incorporated into the West Midlands county in 1974 and are now metropolitan authorities in themselves. The largest towns in Warwickshire as of 2004 are: Nuneaton (pop. 77,500), Rugby (62,700), Leamington Spa (45,300), and Bedworth (32,500). Stratford, Warwick, and Kenilworth all house 20,000-25,000 inhabitants, while the smaller towns of Atherstone, Alcester, Coleshill, Southam, Bulkington, Polesworth, Kingsbury, Henley-in-Arden, Studley, Shipston. Wellesbourne and Whitnash have populations between 5,000 and 12,000.

i win

I was sorely tempted to edit the Southam wiki with comments about all inhabitants having one eye-brow and it being the trampiest town in the County. Then I read this:

"A historical curiosity about Southam is that in mediaeval times, the town minted its own local currency. This was done because local people found ordinary coins too high in value for everyday use."

So, in essence, "nooooo, your fancy rich-people money's no good here: it's far too valuable for us."

I think that covers it better than any thing I could have made up!

coundonskyblue · Sep 15, 2012

RichieGunns said:
This debate has been raging for year lol

Once upon a time we were part of Warwichshire County. Then some clever person said we were part of the West Midlands but had our own County Council. Then another person said we were part of Warwickshire and so forth etc.

I remember seeing an article some time back which said we are part of the West Midlands Region with our own County Council (Coventry County Council) but do not class as a county (e.g. The County of Coventry).

The West Midlands does not have a county Council (as referenced by someone earlier) but encompases several different county councils within its boarders hence why we share the same bus service and why you can buy a bus ticket in Coventry and go to places like Leamington (which also figures within the West Midland boarders), Solihull, Birmingham and if i remember rightly, further afield as far as Wolverhampton (Which is also in the west midlands region) and of course all the little towns and villages around these major cities.

Another point is what our services are called:

NWM - Network West Midlands - This encompases all travel whether it be by Bus, Train or Tram (Wolverhampton for the Tram)
West Midlands Police

So you see we are part of the West Midlands and not a part of Warwickshire...we may have once upon a time but we are not now!

But how can we be part of the West Midlands when there is no West Midlands Authority?

If we're going to use arguments like the Police then what about the Coventry & Warwickshire Ambulance service? Or Coventry & Warwickshire NHS?

Nonleagueherewecome · Sep 15, 2012

coundonskyblue said:
I agree its not in the modern county of Warwickshire, just as its not in the West Midlands as that doesn't exist as a county anymore either.

The only thing that we can say is its in the Warwickshire area, and to me the towns of Nuneaton, Rugby & Leamington have far more in common with Coventry than Birmingham & Wolverhampton do.

Doesn't exist as a County per se, but Coventry is not in Warwickshire-and the West Midlands umbrella continues to be used for Coventry, Birmingham and much of the Black Country for many Local Authority purposes.

Sick Boy · Sep 15, 2012

This is great escapism!!

Nonleagueherewecome · Sep 15, 2012

RichieGunns said:
This debate has been raging for year lol

Once upon a time we were part of Warwichshire County. Then some clever person said we were part of the West Midlands but had our own County Council. Then another person said we were part of Warwickshire and so forth etc.

I remember seeing an article some time back which said we are part of the West Midlands Region with our own County Council (Coventry County Council) but do not class as a county (e.g. The County of Coventry).

The West Midlands does not have a county Council (as referenced by someone earlier) but encompases several different county councils (Birmingham County Council, Wolverhampton County Council. Leamington County Council etc) within its boarders hence why we share the same bus service and why you can buy a bus ticket in Coventry and go to places like Leamington (which also figures within the West Midland boarders), Solihull, Birmingham and if i remember rightly, further afield as far as Wolverhampton (Which is also in the west midlands region) and of course all the little towns and villages around these major cities.

Another point is what our services are called:

NWM - Network West Midlands - This encompases all travel whether it be by Bus, Train or Tram (Wolverhampton for the Tram)
West Midlands Police

So you see we are part of the West Midlands and not a part of Warwickshire...we may have once upon a time but we are not now!

Agreed but you are wrong about Leamington, that's very much in Warwickshire. The reason you can use a bus ticket is because they cross County borders.

coundonskyblue · Sep 15, 2012

Pre 1974 Coventry had its own Police, Fire, and Bus services, all seperate from Warwickshire.

Yet we were very much part of Warwickshire then, so how is that any different to now?

Nonleagueherewecome · Sep 15, 2012

Sick Boy said:
This is great escapism!!

And it's the second thing we've agreed on in two days. Scary, no?

coundonskyblue · Sep 15, 2012

On a football note, last season after 6 games we had 5 points, this season after 6 games we have 3.

stupot07 · Sep 15, 2012

Coventry is not in Warwickshire any more. Historically, Birmingham was part of Warwickhsire

Brighton Sky Blue · Sep 15, 2012

Coventry is at the heart of the old Warwickshire, and much of Bimingham's in it too-which matters more to me than the West Midlands.

RichieGunns · Sep 15, 2012

coundonskyblue said:
But how can we be part of the West Midlands when there is no West Midlands Authority?

If we're going to use arguments like the Police then what about the Coventry & Warwickshire Ambulance service? Or Coventry & Warwickshire NHS?

All very good points but they are a legacy left over from when we "were" part of the Warwickshire.

When applying for jobs you will always put in West Midlands because on all sites they list Coventry and Warwickshire as being based in the West Midlands

This doesn't take away the fact that Warwickshire is its own County.

Interesting fact. The term "SHIRES" goes back to the time of William the Conqurer! The county was named by selecting the city (or town) that lay at the heart of that county e.g. Lincolnshire = Lincoln , Warwickshire = Warwick, Derbyshire = Derby & Leicestershire = Leicester etc). Learnt that while i was working at Warwick Castle. Was doing my research for the King Maker exhibit lol

Another interesting fact to note is that Warwick University is actually a university of Coventry, not of Warwickshire so Coventry has two University within its boarders lol! We're a greedy lot!

Nonleagueherewecome said:
Agreed but you are wrong about Leamington, that's very much in Warwickshire. The reason you can use a bus ticket is because they cross County borders.

Ah! I stand corrected lol

You actually have to pay a little more if your getting a single fair from Cov to Leam or vice versa. BUT if you get a regular £3.60 daysaver from Coventry, there is no extra charge lol

Doesn't work the same way if your going to Birmingham though, you have to pay an extra 20p on the daysaver (or 10p for a single) when going either way lol

I'm full of useless facts i know but hey i like it this way lmao

Nonleagueherewecome · Sep 15, 2012

I was always told that Warwick Uni called themselves that as they wanted to sound posher...

Brighton Sky Blue · Sep 15, 2012

Nonleagueherewecome said:
I was always told that Warwick Uni called themselves that as they wanted to sound posher...

It's almost as though the word 'Coventry' diminishes what ever is put after it...

Nonleagueherewecome · Sep 15, 2012

Coventry Palace.

Nah, still sounds like a crap-hole!

RichieGunns · Sep 15, 2012

Nonleagueherewecome said:
Coventry Palace.

Nah, still sounds like a crap-hole!

Coventry Rovers? - Nah that insults Land Rovers and dogs called Rover

Coventry United? - Well considering our present team we're anything BUT united lol

Coventry Rangers? - Hmm I think even Rangers would be Diminised if they were linked with Coventry in even such a small way...

coundonskyblue · Sep 15, 2012

The uni was meant to be called the university of warwickshire. Think they found the whole county a bit common for them so they dropped the shire.

RichieGunns · Sep 15, 2012

Nonleagueherewecome said:
I was always told that Warwick Uni called themselves that as they wanted to sound posher...

Most probably! Who'd WANT to be called Coventry University afterall...well apart from the actual Cov Uni itself...can you imagin it...the Coventry Arts Centre??? They'd never get any theatre wanting to come to them lol

skyblue1523 · Sep 15, 2012

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Coventry is at the heart of the old Warwickshire, and much of Bimingham's in it too-which matters more to me than the West Midlands.

Check postcodes cv I sure Warwick has a cv postcode hence the same

coundonskyblue · Sep 15, 2012

RichieGunns said:
All very good points but they are a legacy left over from when we "were" part of the Warwickshire.

When applying for jobs you will always put in West Midlands because on all sites they list Coventry and Warwickshire as being based in the West Midlands

This doesn't take away the fact that Warwickshire is its own County.

Interesting fact. The term "SHIRES" goes back to the time of William the Conqurer! The county was named by selecting the city (or town) that lay at the heart of that county e.g. Lincolnshire = Lincoln , Warwickshire = Warwick, Derbyshire = Derby & Leicestershire = Leicester etc). Learnt that while i was working at Warwick Castle. Was doing my research for the King Maker exhibit lol

Another interesting fact to note is that Warwick University is actually a university of Coventry, not of Warwickshire so Coventry has two University within its boarders lol! We're a greedy lot!

Ah! I stand corrected lol

You actually have to pay a little more if your getting a single fair from Cov to Leam or vice versa. BUT if you get a regular £3.60 daysaver from Coventry, there is no extra charge lol

Doesn't work the same way if your going to Birmingham though, you have to pay an extra 20p on the daysaver (or 10p for a single) when going either way lol

I'm full of useless facts i know but hey i like it this way lmao

As a fellow history geek I should also point out that while towns nearest the centre of the county were chosen as the county town, it was also based on the best defended. Warwick with its castle was the best defended town in the area.

Brighton Sky Blue · Sep 15, 2012

coundonskyblue said:
The uni was meant to be called the university of warwickshire. Think they found the whole county a bit common for them so they dropped the shire.

I thought that the university was meant to be put in Warwick but they couldn't find the funding for it there-but Coventry could, so it was built there instead but under Warwick's name. Anyway, getting off topic...

RichieGunns · Sep 15, 2012

skyblue1523 said:
Check postcodes cv I sure Warwick has a cv postcode hence the same

There are 33 seperate post codes within the Warwickshire area so just because ours is in it doesn't mean we're part of it!

Postcodes in Warwickshire

We found 33 Postcode areas in Warwickshire. Click on a postcode for location and other information:

B46
B49
B50
B76
B78
B79
B80
B94
B95
B96
CV10
CV11
CV12
CV21
CV22
CV23
CV31
CV32
CV33
CV34
CV35
CV36
CV37
CV4
CV7
CV8
CV9
GL56
LE10
NN11
OX15
OX17
WR11

Nonleagueherewecome · Sep 15, 2012

RichieGunns said:
Most probably! Who'd WANT to be called Coventry University afterall...well apart from the actual Cov Uni itself...can you imagin it...the Coventry Arts Centre??? They'd never get any theatre wanting to come to them lol

Which is actually a Poly, really. We know it, they know it...only the overseas students are unwise to that.

RichieGunns · Sep 15, 2012

skyblue1523 said:
Check postcodes cv I sure Warwick has a cv postcode hence the same

These are all the towns listed within the Warwickshire area. If you look closely Coventry is NOT one of them. I've highlighted the towns and cities you'd know if lol

Abbot's Salford
Admington
Alcester
Alderminster
Alvecote
Alveston
Ansley
Ansty
Ardens Grafton
Armscote
Arrow
Ascott
Ashorne
Ashow
Astley
Aston Cantlow
Atherstone
Atherstone on Stour
Attleborough
Austrey
Avon Dassett
Baddesley Ensor
Baginton - Interesting as its also listed as an area of Coventry yet has its own 'Welcome to Baginton' sign
Barcheston
Barford
Barnacle
Barton
Barton-on-the-Heath
Bascote
Baxterley
Bearley
Beaudesert
Beausale
Bedworth
Bentley
Bidford-on-Avon
Billesley
Bilton
Binton
Birdingbury
Bishop's Itchington
Bishop's Tachbrook
Blackwell
Bourton on Dunsmore
Brandon
Bretford
Brinklow
Broadwell
Broom
Bubbenhall - Another one within the Coventry area that is considered Warwickshire. Bubbenhall is about a 5 minute drive from Willenhall for those wandering where it is
Budbrooke
Bulkington
Burmington
Burton Green
Burton Hastings
Butlers Marston
Caldecote
Castle End
Chadshunt
Chapel End
Charlecote
Cherington
Chesterton Green
Chilvers Coton
Church End
Church Lawford
Churchover
Claverdon
Clifford Chambers
Clifton upon Dunsmore
Coleshill
Collycroft
Combrook
Cookhill
Copston Magna
Corley
Corley Ash
Corley Moor
Coughton
Cubbington
Curdworth
Darlingscott
Dordon
Dorsington
Draycote
Dunchurch
Dunnington
Earlswood
Easenhall
Eathorpe
Edstone
Ettington
Exhall
Farnborough
Fenny Compton
Fillongley
Flecknoe
Frankton
Fulready
Galley Common
Gaydon
Goodyers End
Gorcott Hill
Grandborough
Great Alne
Great Wolford
Grendon
Grendon Common
Griff
Halford
Hampton Lucy
Hampton on the Hill
Harborough Magna
Harbury
Hartshill
Haseley
Haselor
Hatton
Henley-in-Arden
Hillmorton
Hockley Heath
Honiley
Honington
Hunningham
Hurley
Idlicote
Ilmington
Ingon
Iron Cross
Kenilworth
Kineton
King's Coughton
Kingsbury
Kingswood
Kites Hardwick
Knightcote
Ladbroke
Langley
Lapworth
Lea Marston
Leamington Hastings
Leek Wootton
Lighthorne
Little Alne
Little Compton
Little Kineton
Little Lawford
Little Wolford
Long Compton
Long Itchington
Long Lawford
Long Marston
Longbridge
Lower Brailes
Lower Quinton
Lower Shuckburgh
Lower Tysoe
Lowsonford
Loxley
Luddington
Mancetter
Mappleborough Green
Marston
Marton
Maxstoke
Middle Tysoe
Middleton
Monks Kirby
Moreton Morrell
Morton Bagot
Napton on the Hill
Neal's Green
Nether Whitacre
New Arley
Newbold on Avon
Newbold on Stour
Newbold Pacey
Newnham Paddox
Newton
Newton Regis
No Man's Heath
Northend
Norton Lindsey
Nuneaton
Nuthurst
Offchurch
Old Arley
Old Milverton
Oldberrow
Oldbury
Over Whitacre
Oversley Green
Oxhill
Pailton
Pillerton Hersey
Pillerton Priors
Pinley Green
Polesworth
Preston Bagot
Preston on Stour
Princethorpe
Priors Hardwick
Priors Marston
Radford Semele
Radway
Ratley
Red Hill
Ridge Lane
Rowington
Rowington Green
Royal Leamington Spa
Rugby
Ryton-on-Dunsmore
Salford Priors
Sambourne
Seckington
Sherbourne
Shilton
Shipston on Stour
Shottery
Shotteswell
Shrewley
Shustoke
Shuttington
Snitterfield
Southam
Stockingford
Stockton
Stonebridge
Stoneleigh
Stourton
Stratford-upon-Avon
Stretton under Fosse
Stretton-on-Dunsmore
Stretton-on-Fosse
Studley
Studley Common
Sutton-under-Brailes
Tanworth in Arden
Temple Grafton
Thurlaston
Tiddington
Tidmington
Tredington
Turner's Green
Ufton
Ullenhall
Upper Brailes
Upper Quinton
Upper Tysoe
Walcote
Walton
Wappenbury
Warmington
Warton
Warwick - The centre of the county
Wasperton
Water Orton
Weddington
Weethley
Welford-on-Avon
Wellesbourne
Weston under Wetherley
Westwood Heath
Whatcote
Whichford
Whitnash
Willey
Willington
Willoughby
Wilmcote
Wimpstone
Winderton
Wishaw
Withybrook
Wixford
Wolfhampcote
Wolston
Wolverton
Wolvey
Wood End
Woolscott
Wootton Wawen
Wormleighton
Wroxhall

Those are the ones i know of at any rate...im sure you can probably name a few others you know too!

RichieGunns · Sep 15, 2012

coundonskyblue said:
As a fellow history geek I should also point out that while towns nearest the centre of the county were chosen as the county town, it was also based on the best defended. Warwick with its castle was the best defended town in the area.

Ah shit i actually knew that too lol

It's in this book i was reading about how society in Britain changed from the 800's upwards. It was the castle that determined which towns were used when naming the shires etc.

Glad you reminded me of that

coundonskyblue · Sep 15, 2012

At least we can find something to take our minds off football.

Tuesday night can be one of two topics:

A) Has the pedestrianisation of Broadgate been a success?

B) Will Warwick castle ever recapture Stanley the Eagle?

Nonleagueherewecome · Sep 15, 2012

Hey BSB, we both liked that at exactly the same moment! Now if only our back four could show such signs of chemistry..

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