torchomatic
Well-Known Member
He's a decent Championship striker, but that's it. He won't be any good in the PL. Leicester must be laughing all the way to the bank getting a club to fork out that much for him.
People slate Simms yet what we've paid for him as a bargain compared with Cannon
If you take off pens which Simms doesn't take their ratios are pretty much the same.I've seen him play a fair few times tbh , younger than Simms, better goal per minute at championship level , full Irish international (England wanted him to stay eligible for us )
What am I missing that's funny ?
Do I have to believe simms is better because he plays for us ?
Sheff Utd have made good signings and just been pumped at home to Hull
If you take off pens which Simms doesn't take their ratios are pretty much the same.
He's also 22, not a teenager.
His career thus far is actually pretty similar to Simms at the same age stats wise, a few decent but not outstanding loans. Yet we paid £3.5m for Simms but apparently Cannon is worth £10m.
I've never said Simms was better, just that Cannon isn't worth that.
Hull have made good signings!!!Sheff Utd have made good signings and just been pumped at home to Hull
Cannon is arguably better than Simms but if you have £10 million to spend do you want
Tom Cannon
Or
Ellis Simms +£6.5 million to spend
It's not really close for me, I would take the second option.
Think it's mostly because Wilder is clueless without Hamer to bail him out most weeksThat's football ,.all teams have a bad day or 2
I think it is.That's fair , but you also have to consider the quality of teams in for cannon and it's for his finishing ability isn't it ?
Sheffield united and Sunderland were both prepared to spend 10 mill plus on cannon (one being paid upon promotion ) because they clearly see that he's a goalscorer
He's 2 years younger than Simms and has played less than 70 games as a pro scoring almost 30 goals .
It's not hard to see why teams are prepared to pay for him.
Think it's mostly because Wilder is clueless without Hamer to bail him out most weeks
If Cannon is worth £10 million I think it's set the precedent that we could quite easily recoup the initial £3.5 million outlay on Simms.That's assuming simms is still worth 3.5
I think it is.
His stats this season vs other championship forwards are actually very very average, especially looking at open play.
When was his last one?Wilder has several promotions without hamer
18-19When was his last one?
Cannon has 22 professional goals doesn't he? Other goals were for Everton u21 team so not yet close to 30.That's fair , but you also have to consider the quality of teams in for cannon and it's for his finishing ability isn't it ?
Sheffield united and Sunderland were both prepared to spend 10 mill plus on cannon (one being paid upon promotion ) because they clearly see that he's a goalscorer
He's 2 years younger than Simms and has played less than 70 games as a pro scoring almost 30 goals .
It's not hard to see why teams are prepared to pay for him.
27 pro goalsCannon has 22 professional goals doesn't he? Other goals were for Everton u21 team so not yet close to 30.
Simms scored 19 last season alone which pretty much matches Cannons whole career and also scored big goals against Wolves and Man Utd
Not even arguing Simms is better here but it's a lot, lot closer than you think.
5 of them for the Everton u21 team probably recorded as 'pro' goals as they were likely in the JPT. So 22 goals in proper football27 pro goals
He is on 11 this season at a shit stoke team in all comps
I didn't realise me saying I think cannon was a better striker would upset so many
Interestingly, it was a counter-attack with everyone back defending a corner and then all breaking at once.Cracking finish to put Hull 1 up at Sheff Utd early on
I think people just disagree with you rather than getting upset, its kind of the point of a forum that people have differing points of view27 pro goals
He is on 11 this season at a shit stoke team in all comps
I didn't realise me saying I think cannon was a better striker would upset so many
5 of them for the Everton u21 team probably recorded as 'pro' goals as they were likely in the JPT. So 22 goals in proper football
Please go check and correct me if I'm wrong
Fair enough , i reckon in a few years we can see who has had the better careerI think people just disagree with you rather than getting upset, its kind of the point of a forum that people have differing points of view
Rattling our fanbase because he doesn’t run around like a headless chicken.What is simms better than cannon at ? In your opinion
Rattling our fanbase because he doesn’t run around like a headless chicken.
Exactly18-19
Eh ? He also kept sheffield united in the Premier league , he's a good manager with 4 promotions on his CVExactly
good signing? OkAl Hamadi gone to Stoke for the season - good signing for Robins.
Hull winning tonight has put them (Stoke) right in it!!!
My argument for leaving players up is for defensive reasons as much as it is options on the counter.Interestingly, it was a counter-attack with everyone back defending a corner and then all breaking at once.
I know folk want us to leave players up when defending corners, but that's a great example of what can happen you have 3/4 players all charging forward (we may have done that with our goal at QPR but CBA to check now!).
He hasn't had a successful season in quite some time.Eh ? He also kept sheffield united in the Premier league , he's a good manager
no, they were likely scored against weakened league 1 and 2 teamsYou don't count 5 goals against league 1 and 2 sides in the JPT no ?
Fair enough 22
no, they were likely scored against weakened league 1 and 2 teams
The question with Cannon is do you think you can carry his lack of contribution in general play and does his finishing make up for it.
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