Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (153 Viewers)

Ian1779 · Oct 31, 2020

In the last lockdown schools remained open to parents of key workers - and the uptake was less than 5% nationally. This could easily be put in place again, so it would eliminate the concern over child not having people to look after them. The school environment is a hotbed for transmission. Even with adjustments in place you are cramming over-sized classes into undersized spaces that have little or poor ventilation. These kids are still going home to parents and grandparents that look after them post-school, so they are still being exposed.

The mental health argument is valid, but in reality those that need support the most wont and don’t get it. There is no funding, infrastructure or systems in place to provide it. Them ‘being’ at school doesn’t solve it.. in fact in the key years like 11 and 13 this situation has been made worse by exam pressure - already knowing that exam boards have made minimal adjustments, and the kids have too much to claw back which just heightens the anxiety.

Cov-ID has exposed the reality that education is in disarray and has been for the last 15/20 years. Too many people in this country either ignore it or don’t care - that is the real tragedy.

LastGarrison · Oct 31, 2020

Saddlebrains said:
'Terrifying' projections and concern over NHS capacity at heart of push for new lockdown

No 10 are furious that the details of national measures have been leaked to journalists and have launched an official inquiry.

news.sky.com

What do we reckon then? Hastily pulled together presser tonight? Pubs to close as of 10pm tomorrow?

Luckily me and a few of my flat mates are going out on the piss today.

Might as well make the most of the last Saturday before lockdown.

skybluetony176 · Oct 31, 2020

Saddlebrains said:
'Terrifying' projections and concern over NHS capacity at heart of push for new lockdown

No 10 are furious that the details of national measures have been leaked to journalists and have launched an official inquiry.

news.sky.com

What do we reckon then? Hastily pulled together presser tonight? Pubs to close as of 10pm tomorrow?

Press conference 4pm today. After Starmer called him out and said that the PM needs to address the nation today.

skybluetony176 · Oct 31, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
Press conference 4pm today. After Starmer called him out and said that the PM needs to address the nation today.

Scrap that. Dominic Cummings mouthpiece has just tweeted that it’s been changed to 5pm.

David O'Day · Oct 31, 2020

the trend in coventry is finally starting to drop and walsgrave is still not very busy with covid patients

David O'Day · Oct 31, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
Press conference 4pm today. After Starmer called him out and said that the PM needs to address the nation today.

5pm now, fucking shambles

chiefdave · Oct 31, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
Press conference 4pm today. After Starmer called him out and said that the PM needs to address the nation today.

Probably be a good idea for Johnson to lay off calling him Captain Hindsight for a while.

stupot07 · Oct 31, 2020

You couldn't make it up, she really is thick as pig shit. Either that or she believes the general public are. She's a fucking Health Minister

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Skybluefaz · Oct 31, 2020

stupot07 said:
You couldn't make it up, she really is thick as pig shit. Either that or she believes the general public are. She's a fucking Health Minister

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People will still lap it up

fernandopartridge · Oct 31, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
People will still lap it up

People will be parroting 'unprecedented' again the stupid fucks

Sky Blue Pete · Oct 31, 2020

shmmeee said:
With respect, the evidence is pretty overwhelming that the virus is spreading exponentially and we aren’t far from hitting capacity in areas of the NHS. Equally it’s pretty overwhelming that local lockdowns don’t work and it’s National or nothing.

But lockdowns are a last resort when your track and trace has failed/been overwhelmed.

You say a two week lockdown would be terrible but it’s to avoid a three month one which would be worse. It’s the uncertainty that’s killing people mentally in my experience. If we plan proper support for these mini lockdowns I see no reason why it would cause some mental health crisis.

At the moment it’s the worst of all worlds. Businesses are hurting without clear support. Local economies are being destroyed for months at a time for no good reason.

Unless you’re claiming the virus doesn’t need managing at all, and we should just let people and business die to protect a theoretical mental health effect from lockdown, then I don’t see what other options we have.

Don’t lock down at all and watch hospitality and other businesses go to the wall as people are too scared to go out, tens of not hundreds of thousands dead before their time and tens of thousands more because the NHS is incapacitated. I find it very very hard to believe that’s seriously what you’re arguing for.

Many are shmmee unless my great barrington friends can articulate what it is they mean

Sky Blue Pete · Oct 31, 2020

shmmeee said:
I think some of the confusion here is about strategy. We aren’t trying to suppress the virus to zero like NZ or China, we have decided to limp along as long as the NHS can handle it.

Hospitalisations are doubling every two weeks in some places. And are therefore two weeks from overwhelming the NHS in those areas. Those two weeks hispiralisations and deaths are locked in. Those people already have COVID.

All the evidence shows lockdown immediately reduces cases. And also second lockdowns work a lot quicker than the first (see Israel evidence). If we don’t lock down now we lock in going over capacity, say we delay two weeks that means we won’t be slightly over capacity, we’ll be at twice capacity and in another two weeks four times over it. Think about that. Hospitals at four eight sixteen times capacity. You’re in dead bodies on the streets territory. I’m stunned anyone thinks this is an option.

We have two options here, whether you care about the economy or health or mental health (as they’re all linked and basically the same thing):

1) Zero COVID strategy. Close the borders, proper lockdown, proper test and trace until there’s no cases. Then open up internally.

2) Manage hospital capacity but not deaths or cases. This requires a very good track and trace to slow the spread (we haven’t got this), good compliance with measures (we haven’t even tried this) and repeated lockdowns when the first two fail.

There is no magic third option where you let hundreds of thousands die, businesses go down the toilet, thousands more have lifelong health conditions. It’s just not credible. It’s the epitome of lazy right wing “what’s the point in action it’ll figure itself out” thought and it angers me this is even seen as a realistic policy choice in the 21st century. It’s be more humane to take the China approach and leave people to die in their homes.

And let’s not forget we’ve just discovered immunity doesn’t last. So double or triple those deaths predictions depending on how long it takes to get a vaccine or antivirals out.

You are bang on. It’s why friends who bang on about we don’t need to piss me off. What’s the alternative????

Sky Blue Pete · Oct 31, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
People will still lap it up

When it’s happening around the globe what a twat

clint van damme · Oct 31, 2020

Just had to take my son to the test centre to get tested. Was quite quiet but I know 4 people in my circle of family and friends who have had it in the last couple of weeks so it's all becoming a bit real for me personally now.

chiefdave · Oct 31, 2020

National Education Union calling for schools and colleges to be closed during lockdown.

Close schools in national lockdown

NEU calls for schools and colleges to be closed during 4 week national lockdown

neu.org.uk

chiefdave · Oct 31, 2020

clint van damme said:
Just had to take my son to the test centre to get tested. Was quite quiet but I know 4 people in my circle of family and friends who have had it in the last couple of weeks so it's all becoming a bit real for me personally now.

Wonder if this is what will trigger a change in some peoples behaviour and see more people stick to the rules?

There's been a lot of 'I don't know anyone who has got it' up till now but the last few weeks I've noticed that changing.

We've got quite a few younger employees where I work who have all been pretty much carrying on as usual, down the pub and having parties. But this week we've had people having to get tested as they have someone in their immediate family with it (one persons mum and another persons sister).

Sky Blue Pete · Oct 31, 2020

Yep my sister is positive she’s a cardiac nurse. Not feeling well

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 31, 2020

chiefdave said:
National Education Union calling for schools and colleges to be closed during lockdown.

Close schools in national lockdown

NEU calls for schools and colleges to be closed during 4 week national lockdown

neu.org.uk

Prepare for the government to begin talk of cracking the unions

clint van damme · Oct 31, 2020

chiefdave said:
Wonder if this is what will trigger a change in some peoples behaviour and see more people stick to the rules?

There's been a lot of 'I don't know anyone who has got it' up till now but the last few weeks I've noticed that changing.

We've got quite a few younger employees where I work who have all been pretty much carrying on as usual, down the pub and having parties. But this week we've had people having to get tested as they have someone in their immediate family with it (one persons mum and another persons sister).

I think you're spot on. Had a mate of mine telling me that he thought it was all bollocks last night even though another mate of ours has tested positive!
I had to force my son to go and get tested and he was in danger of getting a thick ear because he was moaning about going but as I explained to him my current manager at work would be in real trouble if he got it due to an underlying health condition so if I'm in anyway exposed to it I need to know so I can stay off work.

skybluetony176 · Oct 31, 2020

David O'Day said:
5pm now, fucking shambles

They’d forgotten that the clocks went back

Seamus1 · Oct 31, 2020

I was on that infernal Facebook forum a few days ago and there were idiots saying ‘oh well the wards at the hospital aren’t full, so I’m not worried’...as if thinking that the only time to act is when the wards are at or near capacity. I am so angry by such idiots as well as by all those who for 4 and a half years or more now have been banging on about ‘sovereignty’ and UK Government making its own laws, yet when UK Government finally makes laws that maybe they don’t like, then the idiots ignore them or are such snowflakes that they feel offended and throw a tantrum when asked to wear a mask.

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 31, 2020

Seamus1 said:
I was on that infernal Facebook forum a few days ago and there were idiots saying ‘oh well the wards at the hospital aren’t full, so I’m not worried’...as if thinking that the only time to act is when the wards are at or near capacity. I am so angry by such idiots as well as by all those who for 4 and a half years or more now have been banging on about ‘sovereignty’ and UK Government making its own laws, yet when UK Government finally makes laws that maybe they don’t like, then the idiots ignore them or are such snowflakes that they feel offended and throw a tantrum when asked to wear a mask.

Well the posh man in an OK suit told some jokes so it was time to doff the cap

Ian1779 · Oct 31, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Prepare for the government to begin talk of cracking the unions

It’s a sensible suggestion. Expect it to be ignored.

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 31, 2020

Ian1779 said:
It’s a sensible suggestion. Expect it to be ignored.

I expect smearing of the unions-why not put it to a vote of teachers, I bet it would be at least 80% in favour

Kieranp96 · Oct 31, 2020

David O'Day said:
the trend in coventry is finally starting to drop and walsgrave is still not very busy with covid patients

Who told you that? 3/5 covid wards they have set up are full.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Oct 31, 2020

What are the death figures like compared to earlier in the year?

Kieranp96 · Oct 31, 2020

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
What are the death figures like compared to earlier in the year?

Catching up, everywhere 500 odd deaths in France yesterday I think high 200s here.

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 31, 2020

Kieranp96 said:
Catching up, everywhere 500 odd deaths in France yesterday I think high 200s here.

Insanity keeping schools open under such circumstances

clint van damme · Oct 31, 2020

Has kuenssberg upset someone? have the tories got a new unofficial spokesman?

Tommo1993 · Oct 31, 2020

World is ending again I noticed.

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 31, 2020

God, twitter's depressing. Must remember my own rule not to check out the nutters at times like this.

fernandopartridge · Oct 31, 2020

Tommo1993 said:
World is ending again I noticed.

What do you mean?

David O'Day · Oct 31, 2020

clint van damme said:
Has kuenssberg upset someone? have the tories got a new unofficial spokesman?

4 weeks and keeping schools, factories and building sites open? This ain't going to work

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 31, 2020

David O'Day said:
4 weeks and keeping schools, factories and building sites open? This ain't going to work

If there weren't a pandemic going on I'd say there should be another election to get these pricks out

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 31, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
If there weren't a pandemic going on I'd say there should be another election to get these pricks out

Won't happen though. And still enough defend them.

I mean, even if you support the rest of what they've done, and their philosophy, the neglect they've shown since this all kicked off, along with the corruption and utter lack of control, is inexcusable.

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