Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (9 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Starmer knows to call for it would give Johnson a stick to beat him with where as now he's got him totally bang to rights over locking down too late.
I think he's played this right so credit where it's due.

Politically I understand, but it shouldn’t just be the teachers’ union arguing for school closure.

 

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[chiefdave]

Anyone could have seen it coming Wingy, they decided to plough on and hope for the best.

Not according to Gove. He’s doing the media rounds this morning with the ‘nobody could have predicted this’ mantra.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not according to Gove. He’s doing the media rounds this morning with the ‘nobody could have predicted this’ mantra.

Of course he is. This government hasn’t conceded a single mistake all year so why start now?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Of course he is. This government hasn’t conceded a single mistake all year so why start now?

Makes him look like a Pratt

Expect there to be a big spike 7th January

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Makes him look like a Pratt

Expect there to be a big spike 7th January

We know that schools are the driver but they don’t trust us to teach remotely after having done it for a term. My subject has been ruined anyway, being on site makes no difference.

 

[wingy]

So who did the leak?

 

[Sky_Blue_Daz]

Personally I’d shut the schools and universities too , particularly a school environment this time of year colds, flus and bugs get passed around anyway

 

[stay_up_skyblues]

What a balls up.
To not combine half term into this equation and plan /time pre emptively is blind and unforgivable

This is the key thing for me. Can’t really be arsed to go into detail but it is a difficult situation to deal with and balancing the spread versus damage to the economy and everything that comes with it is not an enviable position to be in.

BUT... with a further lockdown inevitable, doing a week after half term is beyond a joke and unforgivable. Smacks of having no plan and winging it almost day to day. I mean, Wales actually demonstrated how to do it in real time.

Also, the slides blatantly knocked together 20 minutes before the briefing looked like something my lad came up with in his year 8 IT lesson.

 

[Grendel]

Starmer is wrong too

I think you guys should form your own political party

 

[wingy]

This is the key thing for me. Can’t really be arsed to go into detail but it is a difficult situation to deal with and balancing the spread versus damage to the economy and everything that comes with it is not an enviable position to be in.

BUT... with a further lockdown inevitable, doing a week after half term is beyond a joke and unforgivable. Smacks of having no plan and winging it almost day to day. I mean, Wales actually demonstrated how to do it in real time.

Also, the slides blatantly knocked together 20 minutes before the briefing looked like something my lad came up with in his year 8 IT lesson.

The cost to the the economy from these measures is £20B a week according to Marr .
Wonder what it was in the tiered approach?

 

[wingy]

So who did the leak?

Not him or Hancock when asked on Marr .
Still think I heard Kuenssberg suggest Rishi was for Circuit break,not tiers yesterday afternoon.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think you guys should form your own political party

You do realise it’s possible to support a party without agreeing with everything the leader says all of the time

 

[chiefdave]

Expect there to be a big spike 7th January

Potentially a scenario where we come out of lockdown on December 2nd as planned with the numbers having dropped back down leading to people thinking its fine to go back out again right when its Christmas party season.

Followed by sending uni students home for a few days and then back to uni to make sure its spread around the country and to the older generations. Could easily see the numbers shoot back up and we'll be back in the same position we are now looking at an imminent lockdown 3.

Don't think it's a particularly far fetched scenario. Certainly something the government will have to put some thought towards avoiding.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Certainly something the government will have to put some thought towards avoiding.

lol

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Interested to see more data from NI once the prolonged school closure kicks in.

 

[chiefdave]

Interested to see more data from NI once the prolonged school closure kicks in.

Certainly looking like the right decision at the moment.

 

[LastGarrison]

Certainly looking like the right decision at the moment.

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What the fuck is going on in Wales? That’s concerning.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What the fuck is going on in Wales? That’s concerning.

Takes a week or two

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Certainly looking like the right decision at the moment.

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Guess what actually following the evidence does

 

[clint van damme]

I think you guys should form your own political party

the don't siphon public money to your mates party

 

[LastGarrison]

Takes a week or two

But in comparison to the NI figures and their circuit break.......

 

[chiefdave]

Some good news. Victoria seems to have got a grip on the outbreak they had after issues with returning traveller quarantine.

Australia records zero Covid-19 cases for first time in five months

Locally-transmitted cases have dropped to zero and one state is hopeful for a "normal Christmas".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Certainly looking like the right decision at the moment.

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Clearly not all about the schools tho....and NI stats are heavily skewed due to big uni outbreaks in derry and Belfast.

Liverpool cases also show a drop off in cases that matches the tier 3 intro. In the region around middle of the month.....and schools didn't shut for HT until the last week of Oct.

Welsh schools have been shut for a fortnight and look at that curve....

Again, Its not all about the schools....

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Clearly not all about the schools tho....and NI stats are heavily skewed due to big uni outbreaks in derry and Belfast.

Liverpool cases also show a drop off in cases that matches the tier 3 intro. In the region around middle of the month.....and schools didn't shut for HT until the last week of Oct.

Welsh schools have been shut for a fortnight and look at that curve....

Again, Its not all about the schools....

If it’s not then let me out of a box and to do my job

 

[clint van damme]

please be true FFS

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

please be true FFS

Hope so meant to be getting married then

 

[stay_up_skyblues]

Hope so meant to be getting married then

Same. Well, we were supposed to be getting married three weeks today but postponed.

 

[wingy]

Clearly not all about the schools tho....and NI stats are heavily skewed due to big uni outbreaks in derry and Belfast.

Liverpool cases also show a drop off in cases that matches the tier 3 intro. In the region around middle of the month.....and schools didn't shut for HT until the last week of Oct.

Welsh schools have been shut for a fortnight and look at that curve....

Again, Its not all about the schools....

Not yet they haven't and only a couple of senior school yr groups ar out for the duration .
I think NI May have gone for an extended complete LD inc schoolkids.

 

[Grendel]

Certainly looking like the right decision at the moment.

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Why then show a graph suggesting it isn’t!

 

[wingy]

Clearly not all about the schools tho....and NI stats are heavily skewed due to big uni outbreaks in derry and Belfast.

Liverpool cases also show a drop off in cases that matches the tier 3 intro. In the region around middle of the month.....and schools didn't shut for HT until the last week of Oct.

Welsh schools have been shut for a fortnight and look at that curve....

Again, Its not all about the schools....

And yes it does look like Tier 3 has had some effect
Edit :- returned the rate to the level/trajectory it was on at the point of implementation

Not forgetting there was a lag of close to of around 4-5 weeks between scientific advice,then delivery and squabbles over this .
Frankly fucking awful dither and delay in as per , including Burnham whatever his reasoning.

 

[Grendel]

Not yet they haven't and only a couple of senior school yr groups ar out for the duration .
I think NI May have gone for an extended complete LD in MC schoolkids.

Ireland closed for two weeks and England closed for 1 of those weeks and there’s a transmission lag?

 

[Grendel]

Not yet they haven't and only a couple of senior school yr groups ar out for the duration .
I think NI May have gone for an extended complete LD inc schoolkids.

Only two year groups are allowed in senior schools in Wales until Nov 9

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Same. Well, we were supposed to be getting married three weeks today but postponed.

Have friends getting married at the end of May and it’s crazy to think that may not happen.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Only two year groups are allowed in senior schools in Wales until Nov 9

I’d even take that

 

[Grendel]

I’d even take that

Sorry said it wrong only years 7 and 8 are not allowed