fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
Jesus wept.
Jesus wept.You can’t justify the lockdowns anyway....not when the death rate,according to the official national office of statistic,is is something like 5% - corona’s something like the 20th biggest killer disease this year,but we haven’t locked down the country & lost our shit over the flu or other viruses
Surely if there was a pandemic hospitals would be absolutely heaving,I know the one I work at isn’t because people aren‘t being seen - it really is a load of overhyped guff
You can’t justify the lockdowns anyway....not when the death rate,according to the official national office of statistic,is is something like 5% - corona’s something like the 20th biggest killer disease this year,but we haven’t locked down the country & lost our shit over the flu or other viruses
Surely if there was a pandemic hospitals would be absolutely heaving,I know the one I work at isn’t because people aren‘t being seen - it really is a load of overhyped guff
I think what’s clear is we need proper enforcement of the rules TBF. It’s not a lockdown and people weren’t following the Tier rules either.
It’s blindingly obvious that the way to slow a pandemic is reduce contact between people.
You could argue that the hospital infrastructure in somewhere like Cornwall is insufficient to cope with even the smallest surge.I don’t think anyone can doubt that. The questions as I’ve raised before are:
Do you lock down areas of the country where there is relatively minimal spread at the same time as those with significant transmission rates and
Do you close places/locations where you can’t confirm the benefits of doing so (hospitality etc), whilst leaving high transmission locations open ?
Sage, hancock (Johnson - possibly) Starmer and plenty on here don’t see the problem with just a blanket national lockdown, I do. All I know is that a significant proportion of the public dont buy into it and as only 10-20% were fully self isolating when they were diagnosed prior to the second lockdown, a national lockdown (such as ours France, Germanys etc) is likely to have minimal additional benefit to us compared to the tiered system we already had in operation...however does have huge additional costs (health and economic)
ps I’ve said before I understand why people are pushing for (and willing to accept) a national lockdown, I’m just saying look at the data and alternative views on the subject
You could argue that the hospital infrastructure in somewhere like Cornwall is insufficient to cope with even the smallest surge.
I don’t think anyone can doubt that. The questions as I’ve raised before are:
Do you lock down areas of the country where there is relatively low spread at the same time as those with significant transmission rates and
Do you close places/locations where you can’t confirm the benefits of doing so (hospitality etc), whilst leaving high transmission locations open ?
Sage, hancock (Johnson - possibly) Starmer and plenty on here don’t see the problem with just a blanket national lockdown, I do. All I know is that a significant proportion of the public dont buy into it and as only 10-20% were fully self isolating when they were diagnosed prior to the second lockdown, a national lockdown (such as ours France, Germanys etc) is likely to have minimal additional benefit to us compared to the tiered system we already had in operation...however does have huge additional costs (health and economic)
ps I’ve said before I understand why people are pushing for (and willing to accept) a national lockdown, I’m just saying look at the data and alternative views on the subject
I see the PM has backtracked on the free school meals policy over the holidays, and picked a good time to tell everyone.
The cynic in me also thinks it’s because schools won’t make it to the end of term.
Well polling suggests that actually the vast majority to buy into lockdown. The problem as I see it is lack of enforcement so everyone’s pushing it because they see everyone else pushing it. And whether you agree with it or not if you see no one else following you’re less likely to.
I suspect that the only way you’ll significantly impact spread is to close secondary schools, unis, and bars and pubs. Although even bars and pubs I suspect wouldn’t be that bad. It’s the pure numbers in secondary schools and unis that I think are doing it.
I’m not convinced by local lockdowns at all. In a small country with such a mobile workforce I don’t see how it’s workable.
You can’t justify the lockdowns anyway....not when the death rate,according to the official national office of statistic,is is something like 5% - corona’s something like the 20th biggest killer disease this year,but we haven’t locked down the country & lost our shit over the flu or other viruses
Surely if there was a pandemic hospitals would be absolutely heaving,I know the one I work at isn’t because people aren‘t being seen - it really is a load of overhyped guff
Yep shopping today there’s no lockdown
NopeAre clothes shops and pubs and cafes all open?
It sbecause alot of places still have there work force working, first lockdown there was no where open apart from the essential, now warehouses, manufacturing and offices are all open.Roads are busy this time too (including me, I suppose, in order to notice!).
Last time, when I took my car out just to check the battery wasn't dead, I was about the only car on the road.
Let's get it out there and return to some sort of normality. I was daydreaming about watching the city (wherever that may be) in a packed out stadium, with everyone singing the sky blue song. Hopefully a reality in the coming months. Albeit not a full stadium for a myriad of reasons.Some much needed good news
Covid vaccine: First 'milestone' vaccine offers 90% protection
The vaccine is a "significant step" forward for getting life back to normal, but challenges remain.www.bbc.co.uk
Apparently we’ve already paid for 30M doses. Some experts also saying we’ll need more than one vaccine type as it won’t be one size fits all, pointing to the flu vaccine as an example. Children have a different vaccine administered in a different way compared to the elderly.50 million doses to be produced this year, 1.3 billion doses to be produced next year, odds on world war 3 kicks off over who gets them!!
I was hesitant for a moment about putting a new vaccine in my body, then I remembered what I got up to at uni.Get it in my veins
We've had it confirmed that Prime Minister Boris Johnson will hold a Downing Street press conference at 17:00 GMT later today.
The how long it lasts thing is interesting. If its just a case of having it annually like the flu jab then not really an issue. If it means it wears off and then you're back to square one that's a very different scenario. Assume its the former as that seems to be how it works with other vaccines.What does 90% protection actually mean in reality? It's still unclear how long protection lasts, too, but I guess that's not as relevant, as the point is to suppress how much it's transmitted, so it becomes more like catching pneumonia, or something else - unlucky!
I think it’s similar to the pneumonia vaccine in that it trains the immune system. Think I’m right in thinking that the pneumonia vaccine as an adult is a one off vaccine, different for children as they have a course of vaccines.What does 90% protection actually mean in reality? It's still unclear how long protection lasts, too, but I guess that's not as relevant, as the point is to suppress how much it's transmitted, so it becomes more like catching pneumonia, or something else - unlucky!
What does 90% protection actually mean in reality? It's still unclear how long protection lasts, too, but I guess that's not as relevant, as the point is to suppress how much it's transmitted, so it becomes more like catching pneumonia, or something else - unlucky!
What does that mean practically, however?Reading up a bit it seems to at least make people asymptomatic with 90% efficacy.
Is that where the famous herd immunity comes in? If 90% of people are, at worst, going to be asymptomatic does that limit the spread?I mean, that's just a number to me. Is 10% non-asymptomatic a risk that's deemed suitable in normality?
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