fernandopartridge
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Fucking hell
Fucking hellThey don't fuck about in Italy
Italian runner faces Covid fine after Simone Massetti's fatal fall
The two men were on an Alpine run and authorities said they should not have left their local area.www.bbc.co.uk
Government’s Rushed, Biased Procurement Process Exposed by Spending Watchdog
A new National Audit Office report – which found that the Government established a ‘high-priority’ lane for PPE suppliers with political links – does little to dispel the notion of cronyism at the heart of the Boris Johnson administration, explains Sam Brightbylinetimes.com
Fucking hell
What fucking world have we turned into ?! Sturgeons going to be arresting people outside their areas by the sounds of it. Sad times
The Scottish Government have been more active in trying to get the virus control then others.
We've been mostly in Level 3 Lockdown up here in the West of Scotland from since around the beginning of September. Its been bubbling around the 300 per 100K for a while and it just looks like it wont go down, or, any change downwards is going to be very slow.
This lockdown (level 3) has been far earlier then in other parts of the UK with lower numbers.
To give an example, Hull is over 700 per 100K over the last day or two. I wouldnt like to be there at the moment.
I can see the level 4 lockdown having more affect on the numbers but I think we will all be in this lockdown till either the numbers come down by a sufficent amount, or they will have to close the schools and the rest of the commerce to protect the NHS.
It will be interesting which way this will go.
The numbers in NI are interesting because they did close the schools, yet kept other stuff open, and there was a big drop in the 'R' number.
The numbers for Tuesday have just been updated on the BBC website.
Nearly 600 deaths a day is a travesty which should of been avoided.
I feel like a stuck record...If things are that severe move the schools to online learning for a couple of weeks.
100% agree that number of deaths is a travesty but arresting people for going outside their area or that bloke on Italy who reported his mates fall getting fined
What type of society do we actually want to live in ?
If things are that severe move the schools to online learning for a couple of weeks.
I feel like a stuck record...
Really though, if all we're doing is delaying the inevitable, and at the risk of sounding like Brighton, why are we stopping everything fun if it has no effect?
Well I wouldn't go that farExactly. If they have to implement additional measures/restrictions then I’ll also start to question the effectiveness of all other measures, even to some extent mask wearing etc (if the virus is still running wild ?!!)
I appreciate that probably makes me sound a little trump like (not what any wants !!!) and of course I’ll continue to still keep wearing mine but it would make you start to wonder about some of the things being implemented and their effectiveness
I’m still hopeful the numbers will start to drop though (fingers crossed)
ps alternatively, as I’ve mentioned a few times (also like a stuck record !!!), there just isn’t the buy in this time. If 25% are admitting they will breach rules in polls, I wonder what the actual figure is ?!!
Exactly. If they have to implement additional measures/restrictions then I’ll also start to question the effectiveness of all other measures, even to some extent mask wearing etc (if the virus is still running wild ?!!)
I appreciate that probably makes me sound a little trump like (not what any wants !!!) and of course I’ll continue to still keep wearing mine but it would make you start to wonder about some of the things being implemented and their effectiveness
I’m still hopeful the numbers will start to drop though (fingers crossed)
ps alternatively, as I’ve mentioned a few times (also like a stuck record !!!), there just isn’t the buy in this time. If 25% are admitting they will breach rules in polls, I wonder what the actual figure is ?!!
This is disgrace all round (assuming all accurate - which it appears to be). I’ve got no issue with getting people you know involved if they can deliver, but if they don’t you/they have got to be held accountable
The mixture of politicians cronies sticking their collective noses in the trough (especially in such times when lives are at stake), plus the totally inept public sector procurement is inexcusable.
ps WTF are we doing agreeing to some kind of no returns policy ?! That’s the area which I think/hope is questionable. Under consumer law if products are provided that don’t meet certain specifications and/or don’t do their job, there’s the ability to get a refund (surely ?!!)
What (unless I've missed it, because it's blindingly obvious to me) never seems to be pointed out, is that these measures are in place so we can enjoy more of our freedoms we enjoy, for longer, afterwards. It's short term pain for long term gain.I don’t get why people are so precious TBH. It’s a once in a lifetime event like a war. Yet the same people that blather on about snowflakes and the golden generation can’t take not going to the pub every night.
What (unless I've missed it, because it's blindingly obvious to me) never seems to be pointed out, is that these measures are in place so we can enjoy more of our freedoms we enjoy, for longer, afterwards. It's short term pain for long term gain.
I dunno, a former boss of mine always used to pitch things in a 'what's in it for me?' answer and that always seems the easiest way to sell things, what benefit does it have for somebody? Telling them you'll save your neighbour's Gran might have an effect for a bit but, you need to make it more personal really.
Some modelling like “if we have 100% mask compliance we can open sports stadia” “80% and we can only allow 5k in” “50% and they all have to close” or whatever that cleary links the measures with things people want open, even though it doesn’t work exactly like that, would be good. Make it real.
That's true. You have to, somehow (and this is why I'm not paid to do it!) come up with a suitably catchy message that things are subject to change in a pandemic!The big problem with both those ideas is that you instantly lose all credibility if you promise something you then can't deliver...
Saw a poll somewhere showing the difference between those who said they would follow the rules and those who said they broke a rule for any reason in the last two week I think.
As you say about 25% for the “would you” but rose to something like 60% for the more accurate “have you”. People are notoriously bad at predicting their own future behaviour.
Clearly things are having an effect. We controlled the first wave and look like doing it again thanks to the measures. As we gain more evidence it becomes more and more obvious mask wearing is a net positive.
I don’t get why people are so precious TBH. It’s a once in a lifetime event like a war. Yet the same people that blather on about snowflakes and the golden generation can’t take not going to the pub every night.
We’ve become such a whiny nation.
That's true. You have to, somehow (and this is why I'm not paid to do it!) come up with a suitably catchy message that things are subject to change in a pandemic!
Interestingly or otherwise, I was watching the Thatcher Years last night, and that said how to begin with as leader of the opposition she was too wordy, tried to explain everything in detail, and what was needed was short, snappy sentences to play to the gallery.
Same applies here, really. It *should* be what Johnson is good at, distilling the medics' advice for the general public.
Has there been any stats on suicides released?
Has there been any stats on suicides released?
Think figures on suicides have a six month plus delay as every case has to be referred to the coroner for investigation. Could be even longer at the moment.Has there been any stats on suicides released?
Think figures on suicides have a six month plus delay as every case has to be referred to the coroner for investigation. Could be even longer at the moment.
Probably the best indication is the load on mental health services. Not sure how easy those figures are to get.
I don't think enough is being done for mental health through this.
It is all well and good saying "yeah close the gyms" (as an example) but my gym was spotless and safer than me going in the shop. How many people will use the gym as therapy? Same with classes that can also be socially distanced, Yoga etc etc.
At the minute all I can do is work, go home, work, go home, work, go home. It's not a good recipe and I haven't really seen much being done?
View attachment 17552Coventry going in the wrong direction and significantly so since tiers
Mental health services have been absoltluy decimated in the last 10 years. My ex-wife working in that area for the NHS and it was really shocking how deep the cuts were. They were left unable to provide an adequate service and there was a clear increase in deaths and other key metrics but they were threatened with dismissal if they spoke up about it.I don't think enough is being done for mental health through this.
It is all well and good saying "yeah close the gyms" (as an example) but my gym was spotless and safer than me going in the shop. How many people will use the gym as therapy? Same with classes that can also be socially distanced, Yoga etc etc.
At the minute all I can do is work, go home, work, go home, work, go home. It's not a good recipe and I haven't really seen much being done?
The difficulty is, where do you target what resources there are? It's not just what's lost in those respects, but people who lose loved ones suddenly, and weren't in a position to say goodbye.I don't think enough is being done for mental health through this.
It is all well and good saying "yeah close the gyms" (as an example) but my gym was spotless and safer than me going in the shop. How many people will use the gym as therapy? Same with classes that can also be socially distanced, Yoga etc etc.
At the minute all I can do is work, go home, work, go home, work, go home. It's not a good recipe and I haven't really seen much being done?
Mental health services have been absoltluy decimated in the last 10 years. My ex-wife working in that area for the NHS and it was really shocking how deep the cuts were. They were left unable to provide an adequate service and there was a clear increase in deaths and other key metrics but they were threatened with dismissal if they spoke up about it.
So you've got services that are unable to cope with the demand on the service in normal times, and various charities trying to pick up those who can't get the help they need, now having a huge additional demands placed on them. They've got no chance. So you end up in a situation where only the most severe cases are seen which means others go untreated which of course then means that eventually more people end up as severe cases.
This is going to be a huge problem long after lockdown and covid are over and done with. Remains to be seen if the necessary support systems will be put in place but as you say it seems to be an afterthought at the moment.
(I agree incidentally)It's all well and good the campaigns saying "talk to somebody" but when you can't get into the doctors for a month (pre COVID) what are you meant to do?
Totally agree. Most will take the 'easy' option of giving you a few pills and hoping that sorts things.I have found that the GPs have always been more interested in Doris with a cold (pre COVID) than mental health issues.
It's all well and good the campaigns saying "talk to somebody" but when you can't get into the doctors for a month (pre COVID) what are you meant to do?
Totally agree. Most will take the 'easy' option of giving you a few pills and hoping that sorts things.
Its a short term v long term issue. The best option is intensive one on one treatment which in the short term is expensive. The people in charge of the budgets are only concerned with balancing this years budget so will normally take the cheaper options, for example dishing out a few pills, even though over a lifetime that is likely to work out far more expensive.
I have found that the GPs have always been more interested in Doris with a cold (pre COVID) than mental health issues.
It's all well and good the campaigns saying "talk to somebody" but when you can't get into the doctors for a month (pre COVID) what are you meant to do?
I think it's probably because they're trained physicians. Most of their learning is on physical things and A causes B and can be cured by C in pretty much everyone because we're built the same. There is some variation but those rules on the whole hold true.
Mental health is completely different and every single brain will be wired pretty uniquely and a person reacts differently so your approach for one person may be effective but seemingly the same approach to the same issue in another would be catastrophic. It's a far harder process to get right.
Also with physical problems there's also a decent chance of being able to second guess the progression of any disease or injury, even if it's only as much as being able to estimate how long a person has left to live. There's a greater degree of certainty and being able to predict the future.
With mental health a person can seem absolutely fine, sometimes for years or even decades, then just completely break down without warning. That's more akin to working in A&E or in the worst cases ICU rather than GP practice. It's seat-of-the-pants doctoring and for even the most experienced it must be extremely stressful and difficult and it's really difficult to effectively monitor the progress of the patient as it relies heavily on what they're telling you with clues in behavioural patterns (if the doctor can find out about them) rather than what they can observe clinically.
Totally agree. Most will take the 'easy' option of giving you a few pills and hoping that sorts things.
Its a short term v long term issue. The best option is intensive one on one treatment which in the short term is expensive. The people in charge of the budgets are only concerned with balancing this years budget so will normally take the cheaper options, for example dishing out a few pills, even though over a lifetime that is likely to work out far more expensive.
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