Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (4 Viewers)
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Well, the difference is that your example could lead to those people infecting each other. The strong assumption (and yes, it's still technically just an assumption) is that vaccinated people mixing wouldn't.
Well the vaccines are so new, they haven't proved it definitively either way, so that's why the rules are still in place for now. But all the recent evidence is that you won't spread it once you're vaccinated (same as most other vaccines we're used to) Covid vaccines may stop spread ‘almost completely’
Hopefully the more studies we get like that, the more likely it is that vaccinated people will be told they can go and do whatever they please. I know what I'd be doing if I'd been done.
shmmeee
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Evidence suggests not. It was always “we don’t know yet” never “they definitely can”.
Trials don’t look at spread they look at effect on the person taking the vaccine so we had to wait for real world results, which were starting to get in and they’re showing a reduction in transmission:
Coronavirus spread slowed by vaccines, study suggests
There was a 75% reduction in staff at Addenbrooke's Hospital testing positive after a vaccination.
www.bbc.com
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Initial studies say a 60% reduction in infection, my boss says. Of course, once everybody is out and about as though nothing happened, that will compensate for that.
It's people deciding to act as pre-pandemic after getting their own vaccine that worries me, tbh. Wait for everyone else!
Could be waiting a long time in that case! We have to get back to normal at some stage, and if you can't do that once you've been vaccinated, why bother getting vaccinated? (Uhh other than not dying from coronavirus)
It's more of an issue in countries where vaccine hesitancy is high (the UK is more up for it than almost any country, I think) but perhaps the best way to persuade people to get the vaccine and get us back to normal is to persuade them that it's their golden ticket to living life as normal again. Much harder to persuade people if they still have to avoid other people/avoid traveling for months on end anyway.
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Because you're one part of the stage to getting everyone else vaccinated and, if you don't, everybody won't be vaccinated.
Now if you don't want to fair enough, take your chances, but otherwise show some consideration until everybody else is sorted, and / or it's proven that you don't transmit a virus.
fernandopartridge
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Hospital admissions down to 757, great to see them back under 1k for the first time in a long time.
Yeah, Covid inpatients in England (only have PHE data) are down to 9k (from 34k late Jan)
Confirmed cases at 6.5k (from 860k tests). Down from just under 10k last Thursday
Vaccinations administered yesterday - 279k first dose and 68k second.
All positive...fingers crossed it stays that way after kids return next week (I think we all expect cases to creep back up a bit but hopefully not substantially/won’t have direct correlation to future hospital admissions)
ps supplies allowing, NHS expecting to really ramp up vaccinations numbers from week commencing 15 March
Skybluefaz
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Another 15 billion, 15 fucking billion.
hill83
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Not as angry about this as I was a few months ago tbf, the vast majority of the money is spent on testing which we all agree is going very well.
Not that I know the figures, but a lot of people, me included, correlated the spend to only that shit test & trace app.
shmmeee
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Agreed. Though I’d like to know how much was spent on the non-testing stuff that’s been less than useless, the headline figure including testing tells us nothing.
clint van damme
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You should be. It's daylight robbery of our money. The report linked to that tweet is pretty damming.
hill83
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That's going in on the app again, around 80% of the allocated spend goes on testing and the infrastructure around that.
At the risk of sounding like a government apologist.
I'm by no means happy with it, but the majority of the reporting makes out all the money has been wasted on an app that doesn't work and I fell for it. Hence 'not as angry'.
Skybluefaz
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I need to see a breakdown of the spend because it still seems an outrageous amount of money.
hill83
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I agree.
Sky Blue Pete
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Surely all health employees could get a proper pay rise instead of this
David O'Day
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20% of this is still 3 billion as well
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Interested in how your consituency is doing ref: vaccines? No? Ignore me then.
chiefdave
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The testing hasn't exactly been without issues either. People being sent hundreds of miles for tests, the numbers constantly being 'altered' as targets have been missed.
And of course there's not really any reason local public health couldn't have run the testing.
One thing I've always found noticeable is when you see news footage of testing in other countries the tests are being administered by healthcare professionals. Here you turn up at a car park, get a test kit chucked through your window by a minimum wage worker, and then have to do the test yourself.
And of course there's not really any reason local public health couldn't have run the testing.
One thing I've always found noticeable is when you see news footage of testing in other countries the tests are being administered by healthcare professionals. Here you turn up at a car park, get a test kit chucked through your window by a minimum wage worker, and then have to do the test yourself.
David O'Day
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also the tracing part is still woeful
MusicDating
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The Constituency column is blank apart from Aldershot?
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Open up the file if the embed doesn't work. And / or wait for it to load.
MusicDating
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Had to open it in Excel for it to work, ta
fernandopartridge
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I wonder what the reason for the lack of take up in deprived inner city areas is?
| Highest proportion vaccinated by total population | Over 80s highest proportions vaccinated | |||
| Suffolk Coastal | 53.1% | North Somerset | 97.4% | |
| Clacton | 52.9% | Wansbeck | 97.2% | |
| Christchurch | 51.8% | Thornbury and Yate | 97.2% | |
| North Norfolk | 49.7% | Tewkesbury | 97.1% | |
| West Worcestershire | 49.4% | Haltemprice and Howden | 97.0% | |
| Isle of Wight | 49.2% | Mid Derbyshire | 97.0% | |
| West Dorset | 48.7% | Kingswood | 96.9% | |
| New Forest West | 48.6% | North Dorset | 96.9% | |
| South East Cornwall | 48.3% | South Norfolk | 96.8% | |
| Eastbourne | 48.3% | Penrith and The Border | 96.8% | |
| Lowest proportion by total population | percent | Over 80s lowest proportion vaccinated | percent | |
| Poplar and Limehouse | 13.8% | Lewisham, Deptford | 68.3% | |
| Birmingham, Ladywood | 14.3% | Camberwell and Peckham | 69.4% | |
| Bethnal Green and Bow | 14.3% | Tottenham | 70.0% | |
| West Ham | 15.6% | Birmingham, Ladywood | 70.8% | |
| Hackney South and Shoreditch | 15.7% | Brent Central | 71.3% | |
| Hackney North and Stoke Newington | 16.3% | Croydon North | 71.5% | |
| Manchester Central | 16.5% | Hackney North and Stoke Newington | 72.1% | |
| East Ham | 16.5% | Hackney South and Shoreditch | 72.6% | |
| Islington South and Finsbury | 16.7% | Walthamstow | 72.8% | |
| Bermondsey and Old Southwark | 16.8% | Vauxhall | 73.2% |
clint van damme
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Especially as we've ended up with one of the worse per capita deaths in the world. Its a fucking scandal.
Form the amount spent, who was put in charge of it, the chain of command and the accountability
Grendel
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Not what most think
Boris Johnson’s poll lead over Labour boosted by Covid vaccine rollout
Conservatives’ 7-point lead is party’s biggest since July 2020, and a reality check for Keir Starmer
Sky Blue Pete
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Not great is it? Is it lack of access? Travel wise I mean
fernandopartridge
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Potentially, but a lot of it is inner London which is not difficult to travel around. Maybe it is demonstrating some vaccine scepticism in certain 'communities'.
London performs poorly for take up amongst health and care staff as well, way below other regions.
Those inner city London constituencies are some of the youngest in the country so not surprising they’d be at the bottom of the overall table. But the take-up among older residents there is still lower than most other places, so there is something going on. (People leaving London during the pandemic and not yet changing their address? People not registered with a GP in the city?)
Not what most think
Boris Johnson’s poll lead over Labour boosted by Covid vaccine rollout
Conservatives’ 7-point lead is party’s biggest since July 2020, and a reality check for Keir Starmerwww.theguardian.com
That doesn't mean we don't have one of the worst per capita death rates in the world though, nor does it mean that billions and billions of pounds haven't been wasted.
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Inevitable while things are up. It's why it'd be crazy to go against him / them just yet.Not what most think
Boris Johnson’s poll lead over Labour boosted by Covid vaccine rollout
Conservatives’ 7-point lead is party’s biggest since July 2020, and a reality check for Keir Starmer