Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (121 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

I thought they could still spread it even if vaccinated?

Evidence suggests not. It was always “we don’t know yet” never “they definitely can”.

Trials don’t look at spread they look at effect on the person taking the vaccine so we had to wait for real world results, which were starting to get in and they’re showing a reduction in transmission:

Coronavirus spread slowed by vaccines, study suggests

There was a 75% reduction in staff at Addenbrooke's Hospital testing positive after a vaccination.

www.bbc.com

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

I thought they could still spread it even if vaccinated?

Initial studies say a 60% reduction in infection, my boss says. Of course, once everybody is out and about as though nothing happened, that will compensate for that.

It's people deciding to act as pre-pandemic after getting their own vaccine that worries me, tbh. Wait for everyone else!

 

[SBT]

It's people deciding to act as pre-pandemic after getting their own vaccine that worries me, tbh. Wait for everyone else!

Could be waiting a long time in that case! We have to get back to normal at some stage, and if you can't do that once you've been vaccinated, why bother getting vaccinated? (Uhh other than not dying from coronavirus)

It's more of an issue in countries where vaccine hesitancy is high (the UK is more up for it than almost any country, I think) but perhaps the best way to persuade people to get the vaccine and get us back to normal is to persuade them that it's their golden ticket to living life as normal again. Much harder to persuade people if they still have to avoid other people/avoid traveling for months on end anyway.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

and if you can't do that once you've been vaccinated, why bother getting vaccinated?

Because you're one part of the stage to getting everyone else vaccinated and, if you don't, everybody won't be vaccinated.

Now if you don't want to fair enough, take your chances, but otherwise show some consideration until everybody else is sorted, and / or it's proven that you don't transmit a virus.

 

[wingy]

Think I saw an article the other day suggesting. 95% reduction.i. Transmission.
Which would be stupendous I think.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Hospital admissions down to 757, great to see them back under 1k for the first time in a long time.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Hospital admissions down to 757, great to see them back under 1k for the first time in a long time.

Yeah, Covid inpatients in England (only have PHE data) are down to 9k (from 34k late Jan)

Confirmed cases at 6.5k (from 860k tests). Down from just under 10k last Thursday

Vaccinations administered yesterday - 279k first dose and 68k second.

All positive...fingers crossed it stays that way after kids return next week (I think we all expect cases to creep back up a bit but hopefully not substantially/won’t have direct correlation to future hospital admissions)

ps supplies allowing, NHS expecting to really ramp up vaccinations numbers from week commencing 15 March

 

[Skybluefaz]

Another 15 billion, 15 fucking billion.

 

[wingy]

They've just got rid of another tranch of telephone trackers.
Almost on a month to month now .

 

[hill83]

Another 15 billion, 15 fucking billion.

Not as angry about this as I was a few months ago tbf, the vast majority of the money is spent on testing which we all agree is going very well.

Not that I know the figures, but a lot of people, me included, correlated the spend to only that shit test & trace app.

 

[shmmeee]

Not as angry about this as I was a few months ago tbf, the vast majority of the money is spent on testing which we all agree is going very well.

Not that I know the figures, but a lot of people, me included, correlated the spend to only that shit test & trace app.

Agreed. Though I’d like to know how much was spent on the non-testing stuff that’s been less than useless, the headline figure including testing tells us nothing.

 

[clint van damme]

Not as angry about this as I was a few months ago tbf, the vast majority of the money is spent on testing which we all agree is going very well.

Not that I know the figures, but a lot of people, me included, correlated the spend to only that shit test & trace app.

You should be. It's daylight robbery of our money. The report linked to that tweet is pretty damming.

 

[hill83]

You should be. It's daylight robbery of our money. The report linked to that tweet is pretty damming.

That's going in on the app again, around 80% of the allocated spend goes on testing and the infrastructure around that.
At the risk of sounding like a government apologist.
I'm by no means happy with it, but the majority of the reporting makes out all the money has been wasted on an app that doesn't work and I fell for it. Hence 'not as angry'.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Not as angry about this as I was a few months ago tbf, the vast majority of the money is spent on testing which we all agree is going very well.

Not that I know the figures, but a lot of people, me included, correlated the spend to only that shit test & trace app.

I need to see a breakdown of the spend because it still seems an outrageous amount of money.

 

[hill83]

I need to see a breakdown of the spend because it still seems an outrageous amount of money.

I agree.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Another 15 billion, 15 fucking billion.

Surely all health employees could get a proper pay rise instead of this

 

[David O'Day]

Surely all health employees could get a proper pay rise instead of this

20% of this is still 3 billion as well

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Interested in how your consituency is doing ref: vaccines? No? Ignore me then.

 

[chiefdave]

The testing hasn't exactly been without issues either. People being sent hundreds of miles for tests, the numbers constantly being 'altered' as targets have been missed.

And of course there's not really any reason local public health couldn't have run the testing.

One thing I've always found noticeable is when you see news footage of testing in other countries the tests are being administered by healthcare professionals. Here you turn up at a car park, get a test kit chucked through your window by a minimum wage worker, and then have to do the test yourself.

 

[David O'Day]

also the tracing part is still woeful

 

[MusicDating]

Interested in how your consituency is doing ref: vaccines? No? Ignore me then.

The Constituency column is blank apart from Aldershot?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The Constituency column is blank apart from Aldershot?

Open up the file if the embed doesn't work. And / or wait for it to load.

 

[MusicDating]

Open up the file if the embed doesn't work. And / or wait for it to load.

Had to open it in Excel for it to work, ta

 

[fernandopartridge]

I wonder what the reason for the lack of take up in deprived inner city areas is?

Highest proportion vaccinated by total population	Over 80s highest proportions vaccinated
Suffolk Coastal	53.1%​		North Somerset	97.4%​
Clacton	52.9%​		Wansbeck	97.2%​
Christchurch	51.8%​		Thornbury and Yate	97.2%​
North Norfolk	49.7%​		Tewkesbury	97.1%​
West Worcestershire	49.4%​		Haltemprice and Howden	97.0%​
Isle of Wight	49.2%​		Mid Derbyshire	97.0%​
West Dorset	48.7%​		Kingswood	96.9%​
New Forest West	48.6%​		North Dorset	96.9%​
South East Cornwall	48.3%​		South Norfolk	96.8%​
Eastbourne	48.3%​		Penrith and The Border	96.8%​
Lowest proportion by total population	percent		Over 80s lowest proportion vaccinated	percent
Poplar and Limehouse	13.8%​		Lewisham, Deptford	68.3%​
Birmingham, Ladywood	14.3%​		Camberwell and Peckham	69.4%​
Bethnal Green and Bow	14.3%​		Tottenham	70.0%​
West Ham	15.6%​		Birmingham, Ladywood	70.8%​
Hackney South and Shoreditch	15.7%​		Brent Central	71.3%​
Hackney North and Stoke Newington	16.3%​		Croydon North	71.5%​
Manchester Central	16.5%​		Hackney North and Stoke Newington	72.1%​
East Ham	16.5%​		Hackney South and Shoreditch	72.6%​
Islington South and Finsbury	16.7%​		Walthamstow	72.8%​
Bermondsey and Old Southwark	16.8%​		Vauxhall	73.2%​

 

[clint van damme]

I agree.

Especially as we've ended up with one of the worse per capita deaths in the world. Its a fucking scandal.
Form the amount spent, who was put in charge of it, the chain of command and the accountability

 

[Grendel]

Especially as we've ended up with one of the worse per capita deaths in the world. Its a fucking scandal.
Form the amount spent, who was put in charge of it, the chain of command and the accountability

Not what most think

Boris Johnson’s poll lead over Labour boosted by Covid vaccine rollout

Conservatives’ 7-point lead is party’s biggest since July 2020, and a reality check for Keir Starmer

www.theguardian.com

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I wonder what the reason for the lack of take up in deprived inner city areas is?

Highest proportion vaccinated by total population	Over 80s highest proportions vaccinated
Suffolk Coastal	53.1%​		North Somerset	97.4%​
Clacton	52.9%​		Wansbeck	97.2%​
Christchurch	51.8%​		Thornbury and Yate	97.2%​
North Norfolk	49.7%​		Tewkesbury	97.1%​
West Worcestershire	49.4%​		Haltemprice and Howden	97.0%​
Isle of Wight	49.2%​		Mid Derbyshire	97.0%​
West Dorset	48.7%​		Kingswood	96.9%​
New Forest West	48.6%​		North Dorset	96.9%​
South East Cornwall	48.3%​		South Norfolk	96.8%​
Eastbourne	48.3%​		Penrith and The Border	96.8%​
Lowest proportion by total population	percent		Over 80s lowest proportion vaccinated	percent
Poplar and Limehouse	13.8%​		Lewisham, Deptford	68.3%​
Birmingham, Ladywood	14.3%​		Camberwell and Peckham	69.4%​
Bethnal Green and Bow	14.3%​		Tottenham	70.0%​
West Ham	15.6%​		Birmingham, Ladywood	70.8%​
Hackney South and Shoreditch	15.7%​		Brent Central	71.3%​
Hackney North and Stoke Newington	16.3%​		Croydon North	71.5%​
Manchester Central	16.5%​		Hackney North and Stoke Newington	72.1%​
East Ham	16.5%​		Hackney South and Shoreditch	72.6%​
Islington South and Finsbury	16.7%​		Walthamstow	72.8%​
Bermondsey and Old Southwark	16.8%​		Vauxhall	73.2%​

Not great is it? Is it lack of access? Travel wise I mean

 

[fernandopartridge]

Not great is it? Is it lack of access? Travel wise I mean

Potentially, but a lot of it is inner London which is not difficult to travel around. Maybe it is demonstrating some vaccine scepticism in certain 'communities'.
London performs poorly for take up amongst health and care staff as well, way below other regions.

 

[SBT]

Potentially, but a lot of it is inner London which is not difficult to travel around. Maybe it is demonstrating some vaccine scepticism in certain 'communities'.
London performs poorly for take up amongst health and care staff as well, way below other regions.

Those inner city London constituencies are some of the youngest in the country so not surprising they’d be at the bottom of the overall table. But the take-up among older residents there is still lower than most other places, so there is something going on. (People leaving London during the pandemic and not yet changing their address? People not registered with a GP in the city?)

 

[PVA]

Not what most think

Boris Johnson’s poll lead over Labour boosted by Covid vaccine rollout

Conservatives’ 7-point lead is party’s biggest since July 2020, and a reality check for Keir Starmer

www.theguardian.com

That doesn't mean we don't have one of the worst per capita death rates in the world though, nor does it mean that billions and billions of pounds haven't been wasted.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Not what most think

Boris Johnson’s poll lead over Labour boosted by Covid vaccine rollout

Conservatives’ 7-point lead is party’s biggest since July 2020, and a reality check for Keir Starmer

www.theguardian.com

Inevitable while things are up. It's why it'd be crazy to go against him / them just yet.

 

[David O'Day]

Inevitable while things are up. It's why it'd be crazy to go against him / them just yet.

It's a Vaccine boost, no one should really care about opinion polls for at least 3 years. No points

Judging by the reaction to the budget the polls will close again

 

[Nick]

Those inner city London constituencies are some of the youngest in the country so not surprising they’d be at the bottom of the overall table. But the take-up among older residents there is still lower than most other places, so there is something going on. (People leaving London during the pandemic and not yet changing their address? People not registered with a GP in the city?)

Keep the cunts in lockdown until they have it.

 

[fernandopartridge]

It's a Vaccine boost, no one should really care about opinion polls for at least 3 years. No points

Judging by the reaction to the budget the polls will close again

They've just announced more austerity, let's see what's happening next week. Labour are nowhere, completely wrong footed over the budget.

 

[SBT]

Keep the cunts in lockdown until they have it.

Lockdown? I'm still in London, what's a lockdown?