Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (7 Viewers)

[Ian1779]

Here’s a question for my fellow lefties:

If, by way of experimenting with both the vaccine dosage schedule and the use of the AZ vaccine in all age groups, the U.K. leads other countries to adopt more effective vaccine protocols where otherwise they wouldn’t, and in doing so saves many more lives globally than have been lost in the U.K. through their previous incompetence.

Does that even out?

I don’t know - but only because it can’t ‘balance’ out for those deaths on an individual basis. I know we all get so focused on stats, but behind every one is a real person, family etc.

I guess the only way the government could redeem itself here in the UK at least is putting in the infrastructure to ensure that if and when it were to happen again we are infinitely better prepared and the other components (NHS for example) are also able to do the same.

 

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[Ian1779]

In which case, we will never go back to living normal lives again. If the virus adapts and is still around for ten years, what are we going to do? Wear masks all the time and lock down each winter? You cannot uphold a society in that way.

Most vulnerable people have had the first jab now, by the time they have had the second, there really is no excuse.

Would it really be such a bad thing to ask for masks on public transport during winter months in the future? Look at how cramped the London Underground gets for example.

 

[shmmeee]

It would depend on what you are basing your Utilitarian ideals around. The benefit of your own commonwealth or the wider good. Surely, any Government would need to look after its own commonwealth first and make sure they get the best possible care based on the current evidence rather than experimenting on the general population.

I think that’s what it comes down to. Quite a statement to say that British lives are worth more than any other country though.

That’s another reason to ask lefties, as generally they don’t do nationalism.

I had the Pfizer one , no reaction when I had my first jab but felt just like you do after my second, only lasted a couple of days though.

That’s your immune system producing a response. It means the vaccine is working.

 

[clint van damme]

Here’s a question for my fellow lefties:

If, by way of experimenting with both the vaccine dosage schedule and the use of the AZ vaccine in all age groups, the U.K. leads other countries to adopt more effective vaccine protocols where otherwise they wouldn’t, and in doing so saves many more lives globally than have been lost in the U.K. through their previous incompetence.

Does that even out?

it might level out the incompetence but it doesn't earn a pass on the corruption.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Would it really be such a bad thing to ask for masks on public transport during winter months in the future? Look at how cramped the London Underground gets for example.

In my opinion, it would be ridiculous.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

In my opinion, it would be ridiculous.

For what reason? It makes sense to prevent the spread of seasonal diseases. I don’t find wearing a mask on public transport a stress at all.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

For what reason? It makes sense to prevent the spread of seasonal diseases. I don’t find wearing a mask on public transport a stress at all.

We should be living in a civilised society. Not like muzzled dogs.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

We should be living in a civilised society. Not like muzzled dogs.

That is just a ridiculous comment. A civilised society is not one where we are coughing and spluttering disease over each other.

 

[chiefdave]

That is just a ridiculous comment. A civilised society is not one where we are coughing and spluttering disease over each other.

I don't get why people get so wound up about masks. Are there people who get that wound up about having to wear trousers when they go out?

Fear we won't learn anything from this. Asian countries seem to have no issue with masks since SARS but we will go back to how we were with people coughing and spluttering in public places, going into work when ill etc.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I don't get why people get so wound up about masks. Are there people who get that wound up about having to wear trousers when they go out?

Fear we won't learn anything from this. Asian countries seem to have no issue with masks since SARS but we will go back to how we were with people coughing and spluttering in public places, going into work when ill etc.

Just ludicrous. Some people are convinced that masks are used to silent us. They all live on cloud cuckoo land.

 

[Ian1779]

We should be living in a civilised society. Not like muzzled dogs.

That’s not a reason.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

That’s not a reason.

Ok, what is your reason in favour of?

 

[Ian1779]

Ok, what is your reason in favour of?

During seasons of the year where cold and flu viruses are more prevalent, wearing a mask on crowded public transport would hopefully reduce transmission between people and reducing the spread of infection.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

During seasons of the year where cold and flu viruses are more prevalent, wearing a mask on crowded public transport would hopefully reduce transmission between people and reducing the spread of infection.

YeAh bUt ThErEs No eViDenCe MAsKs wOrK

 

[SBAndy]

We should be living in a civilised society. Not like muzzled dogs.

I think you may have missed the point a little, and not taken the inferred “if you’re ill” into account. I don’t expect people would be thinking everyone should wear masks at all times on public transport but no harm in doing so under certain circumstances.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

During seasons of the year where cold and flu viruses are more prevalent, wearing a mask on crowded public transport would hopefully reduce transmission between people and reducing the spread of infection.

I respect your point of view, but I just wouldn't like to see it happen.

In a lot of the Asian countries, people wear them when they are ill. I would like to see people who are ill in future stay at home rather than be forced into going to work.

 

[shmmeee]

I respect your point of view, but I just wouldn't like to see it happen.

In a lot of the Asian countries, people wear them when they are ill. I would like to see people who are ill in future stay at home rather than be forced into going to work.

Sure that too, but those that aren’t on their way to work, or are mildly ill and can carry on, should, right?

I’d have thought you’d be all for personal responsibility for bringing down NHS spending.

 

[Ian1779]

I respect your point of view, but I just wouldn't like to see it happen.

In a lot of the Asian countries, people wear them when they are ill. I would like to see people who are ill in future stay at home rather than be forced into going to work.

Maybe the approach is more about people taking personal responsibility in this regard rather than a mandatory directive.

 

[Philosoraptor]

I think that’s what it comes down to. Quite a statement to say that British lives are worth more than any other country though.

That’s another reason to ask lefties, as generally they don’t do nationalism.



That’s your immune system producing a response. It means the vaccine is working.

N'ah, it is pretty standard stuff. WHO was suggesting to make sure the most vulnerable are protected in your own society before making the vaccine readily available for other societies.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Before I get slated.

"``` a nation might be ethically justified in giving limited priority to its own citizens, a view we call moderate nationalism; beyond this, nations have a duty to distribute vaccines to people in other nations, a view we call moderate cosmopolitanism."

Vaccine ethics: an ethical framework for global distribution of COVID-19 vaccines | Journal of Medical Ethics

 

[Philosoraptor]

Of course, if any country gave a damn they would share the information on how to make the vaccine globally. Not just make it and sell it on at cost prices.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

We should be living in a civilised society. Not like muzzled dogs.

A civilised society would consider others and would happily put up with the minor inconvenience to try and prevent hundreds of thousands of people getting ill.

Even a selfish one would think it'd give themselves a better chance of not getting ill.

I didn't realise Japan wasn't civilised.

 

[shmmeee]

N'ah, it is pretty standard stuff. WHO was suggesting to make sure the most vulnerable are protected in your own society before making the vaccine readily available for other societies.

Not sure the WHO advice is to kill your own people through incompetence then luck your way to a scientific innovation.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Not sure the WHO advice is to kill your own people through incompetence then luck your way to a scientific innovation.

A part quote from Duggins reported on 17th December 2020:

“I do think there needs to be a clear balance between Public Health and the consequences for the economy."

“Most people would agree that balance needs to be struck, the emphasis does need to be of course on our colleagues on the health service being able to cope as if they get overrun and can’t handle the situation then we are all in a perilous place.”

Tier 2 decision for Coventry will be a marginal call - city leader

Cllr Duggins also reiterated the need for Christmas common sense to avoid a New Year lockdown

www.coventrytelegraph.net

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There are over 125,000 people dead now from this disease in the UK.

I don't know about you shmmeee with your thinking but that is a fucking disaster backed by both of the main political parties.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Of course, if any country gave a damn they would share the information on how to make the vaccine globally. Not just make it and sell it on at cost prices.

It isn’t some kind of trade secret, it’s just a question also of having the facilities, supplies and personnel in each country.

 

[shmmeee]

A part quote from Duggins reported on 17th December 2020:

“I do think there needs to be a clear balance between Public Health and the consequences for the economy."

“Most people would agree that balance needs to be struck, the emphasis does need to be of course on our colleagues on the health service being able to cope as if they get overrun and can’t handle the situation then we are all in a perilous place.”

Tier 2 decision for Coventry will be a marginal call - city leader

Cllr Duggins also reiterated the need for Christmas common sense to avoid a New Year lockdown

www.coventrytelegraph.net

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There are over 125,000 people dead now from this disease in the UK.

I don't know about you shmmeee with your thinking but that is a fucking disaster backed by both of the main political parties.

You are a strange duck

 

[clint van damme]

jab yesterday, and in the words of Hermans Hermits, woke up this morning feeling fine!
Operation get me off this fucking island phase 1 is complete!

 

[SG21]

jab yesterday, and in the words of Hermans Hermits, woke up this morning feeling fine!
Operation get me off this fucking island phase 1 is complete!

When you say "off this island" do you mean for good or just for holidays?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

When you say "off this island" do you mean for good or just for holidays?

Tollbar

 

[clint van damme]

When you say "off this island" do you mean for good or just for holidays?

holiday mate.
Although at the moment I feel like I've had enough of the place and would gladly fuck off for good though I think my pissedoffness is mainly due to a seemingly endless winter and lockdown. Think I'll be okay when the spring weather is here.

 

[clint van damme]

Tollbar

you noticed my tent!

 

[SG21]

holiday mate.
Although at the moment I feel like I've had enough of the place and would gladly fuck off for good though I think my pissedoffness is mainly due to a seemingly endless winter and lockdown. Think I'll be okay when the spring weather is here.

I hear you. It does increasingly feel like we're stuck on an island with a lot more clowns than I first thought. One of the reasons Scotland and Wales are questioning should they break away. This lockdown has been a lot more rough than the first too.

 

[Grendel]

I hear you. It does increasingly feel like we're stuck on an island with a lot more clowns than I first thought. One of the reasons Scotland and Wales are questioning should they break away. This lockdown has been a lot more rough than the first too.

Wales aren’t questioning it other than those who’ve always wanted independence and Scotland support as always is drifting

Scots turning against SNP plan for independence referendum, poll finds

Separate survey finds SNP no longer on course to win majority at May’s Holyrood elections

www.google.co.uk

 

[SG21]

Wales aren’t questioning it other than those who’ve always wanted independence and Scotland support as always is drifting

Scots turning against SNP plan for independence referendum, poll finds

Separate survey finds SNP no longer on course to win majority at May’s Holyrood elections

www.google.co.uk

The support is growing though. The recent drop was due to the media (mostly owned by tories) attacking. Even still, it hasn't dropped loads. Wales are not expecting to go next week, but they do see it as a start. Boris has of course tried to stop both Wales and Scotland by defending the treatment of both nations and tory rule, but failed. So, like any good tory, he's doing what they always do. Degrade those against them.

 

[skybluetony176]

jab yesterday, and in the words of Hermans Hermits, woke up this morning feeling fine!
Operation get me off this fucking island phase 1 is complete!

I was much the same, it was a few days later that I started feeling shit with exhaustion and migraine.