Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (296 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

My initial thought was it won't happen as it's unworkable,impractical and a legal minefield.

Then I realised its an opportunity for the tories to award another multi billion pound contract to their mates so it will probably happen.

 

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[chiefdave]

Sporting events (I guess anyone buying a season ticket and not vaccinated will not be allowed in)

Its certainly being looked at seriously for concerts.

No way the likes of Ticketmaster and Live Nation are putting a significant amount of money into updating their ticketing apps to link with public health services to show if people have been vaccinated or had a recent negative test with no intention of them being rolled out if needed.

 

[shmmeee]

My initial thought was it won't happen as it's unworkable,impractical and a legal minefield.

Then I realised its an opportunity for the tories to award another multi billion pound contract to their mates so it will probably happen.

Talking of unworkable authoritarian nonsense, whatever happened to Theresa Mays Wank Pass we were supposed to have to buy from the corner shop to access internet porn?

 

[Grendel]

Its certainly being looked at seriously for concerts.

No way the likes of Ticketmaster and Live Nation are putting a significant amount of money into updating their ticketing apps to link with public health services to show if people have been vaccinated or had a recent negative test with no intention of them being rolled out if needed.

Havent they been selling tickets for festivals in the summer?

 

[clint van damme]

Talking of unworkable authoritarian nonsense, whatever happened to Theresa Mays Wank Pass we were supposed to have to buy from the corner shop to access internet porn?

I bought the lot just to be other safe side

 

[clint van damme]

Havent they been selling tickets for festivals in the summer?

Some have. I think its touch and go whether they'll happen.
Between myself and my son we've had 3 gigs cancelled in the last 2 days. The cancellations are getting further and further into the year.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Talking of unworkable authoritarian nonsense, whatever happened to Theresa Mays Wank Pass we were supposed to have to buy from the corner shop to access internet porn?

Curious that disappeared at the same time as the wanker emoji

 

[chiefdave]

Havent they been selling tickets for festivals in the summer?

They have, but selling tickets doesn't mean it will go ahead. How many events have been postponed or cancelled over the past year?

I've got a ticket for one in June which I'm 99.9% certain won't go ahead and another for September which I would say is 50/50 at best.

They're clearly not chucking money at developing what I would think are relatively expensive and complex apps in the knowledge there is zero chance of them ever using them.

After a year of no concerts how many non-vaccinated people would refuse to go to a show rather than take a test? Potentially simple market forces at work, would the number who would not go if they believe there is a risk of it being a 'super-spreader' event be greater than the number who wouldn't go if they had to give proof of a vaccine or test? Hence that people who regularly go to shows are being bombarded with surveys on the subject.

By no means am I saying it will definitely happen but its madness to think these conversations aren't taking place and all options being looked into.

 

[chiefdave]

At the end of the day we're all guessing how any sort of vaccine passport would work. Is this another case of something being thrown out there to see the response before the government decides what to do?

 

[skybluetony176]

View attachment 19316basically over half the people haven't been vaccined yet ...pubs will just continue to unnecessarily struggle with a vaccine passport

There’s always been the argument that they should vaccinate those most likely to spread it first. There is actually sound scientific evidence and history that it would work too. I think it’s how they finally irradiated small pox in third world/developing countries, vaccinated those most likely to spread it first.

 

[TomRad85]

Talking of unworkable authoritarian nonsense, whatever happened to Theresa Mays Wank Pass we were supposed to have to buy from the corner shop to access internet porn?

Sorry about that, thought I'd stock pile them and sell on at an inflated price. Visit my eBay store for more details.

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[fernandopartridge]

What's the name of the company beginning with P that Cummings brought in and is now all over NHS data? The vaccine passport stuff is an earner

 

[Grendel]

At the end of the day we're all guessing how any sort of vaccine passport would work. Is this another case of something being thrown out there to see the response before the government decides what to do?

Well I think every decent person will think it’s an absurd and ridiculous idea so let’s make sure that’s the feedback they get.

 

[Brylowes]

Well I think every decent person will think it’s an absurd and ridiculous idea so let’s make sure that’s the feedback they get.

The trouble is, most people won’t even begin to think through all the possible contradictions and repercussions that are likely to stem from this latest ridiculous brainwave, which sadly is just the way the Government likes it.

 

[Brylowes]

I’ve heard nothing to say it will be law ie it would be landlord, club owners choice. After the shit 12+ months of trading I can’t see many wanting to risk losing custom but enforcing this. As mentioned earlier this feels like a nudge to try to get as many vaccinated as possible

They get round this issue by not making it law but linking it with your licensing objectives and obligations, so by not complying you will not break the law but you will lose your license.
They hate pubs and are using the pandemic as a weapon to beat them with, there is not one other scenario where they could go after pubs like this without causing uproar.

 

[Nick]

View attachment 19316basically over half the people haven't been vaccined yet ...pubs will just continue to unnecessarily struggle with a vaccine passport

Who will work in the pubs?

 

[chiefdave]

Who will work in the pubs?

Pensioners.

 

[Skybluefaz]

My initial thought was it won't happen as it's unworkable,impractical and a legal minefield.

Then I realised its an opportunity for the tories to award another multi billion pound contract to their mates so it will probably happen.

This + promote another culture war.

 

[Liquid Gold]

This + promote another culture war.

Make the vaccine passport a Union Jack

 

[Skybluefaz]

Theresa Mays Wank Pass

Well there is the next pub quiz team name sorted.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Make the vaccine passport a Union Jack

Can you not see that happening though? We live in real life black mirror now. It's pretty much nailed on.

 

[Brylowes]

Who will work in the pubs?

Boris has said that the passports for pubs would only be workable once every adult has ‘at least’ had the chance of the vaccine, so far from being back to normal ‘pubs will actually be under far more scrutiny after the vaccine rollout than any other sector has been during a full on Covid19 wave.
This is undoubtedly an unprecedented effort to kill off pubs using the pandemic to hammer the nails into the coffin lid.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Interesting calculator created by a few of the main Unis and others

Licence | QCovid™ risk calculator

www.qcovid.org

My Covid associated death risk is 0.0004% or 1 in 250000 and 1 in 7692 of needing hospital treatment for it

Same

 

[robbiekeane]

This is undoubtedly an unprecedented effort to kill off pubs using the pandemic to hammer the nails into the coffin lid.

Nonsense

 

[robbiekeane]

Vaccine passports for pubs aren’t going to happen relax.

good idea for travel though, and already has to happen in some places for things like TB etc

 

[Deleted member 5849]

After watching this, I have no idea if this is related to the pandemic or not! Tory milkman delivers speech surreal even by Commons' standards | John Crace

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Nonsense

Yeah it's just typical Johnson, mouthing off an idea before thinking if it's remotely practical. It won't happen.

 

[skybluetony176]

After watching this, I have no idea if this is related to the pandemic or not! Tory milkman delivers speech surreal even by Commons' standards | John Crace

It’s all going a bit Life of Brian. The milk is a sign

 

[SBT]

This is undoubtedly an unprecedented effort to kill off pubs using the pandemic to hammer the nails into the coffin lid.

Yes, nothing wins votes like “We’re the party that killed off pubs”

 

[David O'Day]

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Vaccine booked for Monday

 

[Brylowes]

Nonsense

Explain.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Yes, nothing wins votes like “We’re the party that killed off pubs”

Pubs closing at a rate of knots pre pandemic, lots of which can be traced back to Thatcher's 'beer orders' actually which created the spiv owned pubcos more interested in property development than running pubs. Not that New Labour did anything at all to address it.

 

[SBT]

Pubs closing at a rate of knots pre pandemic, lots of which can be traced back to Thatcher's 'beer orders' actually which created the spiv owned pubcos more interested in property development than running pubs. Not that New Labour did anything at all to address it.

Sure, but there’s a big difference between ‘free market’ economic policies being awful for independent pub owners, and this claim that the Tories have some deliberate targeted campaign to kill off all pubs through public health measures. Who would want to do that? And on what grounds?

 

[Brylowes]

Nonsense

Yes, nothing wins votes like “We’re the party that killed off pubs”

In truth they’ve been after pubs for years, not all pubs obviously’‘ just the small independent wet led type,
punitive stealth taxes, excessive business rates, the grossly unfair beer tax escalator (which automatically increased duty on beer by 2% above inflation every year ) that only applies to pubs, allowing supermarkets to use alcohol as a loss leader with no minimum pricing, the smoking ban,
All these things combined helped to contribUte to the closure of 14,000 British pubs between 2000 and 2018.

If/when we are allowed to open on the 12th April ( outside only ) we will have been forcibly closed for 33 weeks of the 55 weeks since the onset of the first lockdown on the 23.3.2020.
During the 22 weeks we have been permitted to open our doors we have been required to conform with rigid restrictions and regulations not required or implemented in any other sector of commerce or retail.
We have had to set up our own Track & Trace system.
Put in place our own and comply with our own risk assessment.
Put in place a table service only operation.
Police groups to make sure who is with who and not exceeding limits on numbers in groups.
Remove/mothball seating, erect screen, supply necessary PPE and cleaning materials and sanitizers.
Make sure everyone is wearing a face mask when walking within the pub.
Keep TV / Music volume to a minimum.

Basically in order to open your doors you have to transform your pub into everything a pub shouldn’t be, sterile, unwelcoming, cold, tiresome etc.

Then to help out they cut VAT to 5% but only on food.
Then they introduce the ‘Eat out to help Out’ scheme.
Then they say you can only open if you serve food
Do you see a trend happening here.

Before long going out for a drink will entail a choice between Wetherspoons, Brewers Fayre, Harvester etc.