fernandopartridge
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No it isn't
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No it isn't
fernandopartridge
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I understand the point you're making but cases are not irrelevant, they are less relevant but still an indicator. If once upon a time the proportion of hospitalisations to cases was say 1:5, it might be 1:15 now on the whole but still represents a big number of potential hospitalisations,
For some reason people have thought that because the NHS 'coped' with 34k people in January that it should do it again. Ignoring the huge downstream problems.
Good one. With wit like that I can only assume you haven't actually lost your virginity.
But anyway how can we if THE WURLD IS GONNA B SHUT DOWN 4EVA!!!
fernandopartridge
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There is no denying these numbers are going in the wrong direction, especially as hospitalisations lag cases and deaths lag those. Let's just hope it's a bump in the road and the vaccines stop it becoming wave 3:
jordan210
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During the Peak we now know untested people sent to care home what created major issues for the NHS. On top of this a huge number of people who died caught Covid in hospital.
Cases are only a good indication if they are in a group who are likely to get seriously ill from it. If its cases from younger people who are not ending up in hospital its not a good indication of what's going on.
The vaccine breaks the link between cases and hospitalisation. So cases become less relevant with every jab
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jordan210
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clint van damme
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Don't think I've ever seen virginity expressed as a plural before, looks weird
jordan210
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Explain what's happening in Texas and Florida for example. Fully open yet data has dropped ?
Look at the data for India. Looks like they have peaked
Also things clearly not all going in the wrong direction
David O'Day
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You are seemingly not understanding the term "lag"?
If the current increase in cases does mean an increase in hospitalisations it's not yet going to be showing in the current hospitalisations.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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What percentage of vulnerable people have been vaccinated in the UK now?
jordan210
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We can only go on the data given. Fernando showed the dashboard what shows an uptick this isn't true now.
Since the Indian has been around the last few weeks. hospitalisations have dropped.
Your basing your assumptions that hospitalisations have gone up. yet have no data for that.
chiefdave
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The dominant strain there is the UK variant. Our plans for opening were based on that being the dominant strain here, rememberer we didn't have to worry about the Indian variant as the government had that all under control. We now have high rates of the Indian variant, they don't. But they are worried about it and there has been talk about the potential need to re-introduce restrictions over there.
Case numbers have increased 24% in the last week, hospitalisations have increased 25.2% and deaths have increased 38.1%. How is that not going in the wrong direction?
Not sure that data is available is it? But vaccines aren't 100% so therefore if there is a more transmissible variant in circulation that becomes an issue. As you see with the modelling one of the key things that we need to establish is how much more transmissible it is.
This!
It's amazing that some blokes on a football forum think they have a better grasp of the situation than SAGE and the experts.
The media coverage is perfectly acceptable. As far as I can see all stories say 'IF xyz happens then the June 21st date might have to be pushed back'. If people think that's scare tactics then that's their problem not the media's.
jordan210
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Both sates have high vaccine rate. So as the Indian strain does not evade it as we know it doesn't. They will not close down.
Hospitalisation have dropped back down.looking at the current data available.
jordan210
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The press have been embarrassing. Constant scare stories. They use the same "experts" who surround them self with people with the same views as them. Take Indi sage. One of the people who constantly is given air time. Was trying to argue and disprove a scientist on twitter.
The scientist works for Moderna on the vaccine.
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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The vaccine either works or it doesn't. I'm not talking about the difference between 99% and 100%, I'm talking generally.
The most vulnerable in society have now been pretty much covered as from what I've just seen, 46% of the population have had both jabs.
It can be debated when or not is the right time to learn to live with it, but we aren't going to get much better than we are now.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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hill83
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It does depend where you get your news from tbf. The Daily Mail is an absolute joke from all accounts but I don't read it.
The Guardian (Left wing lol etc) is balanced on it and I do read that.
Guardian
Daily Mail
Her timeline is full of anti lockdown nutters like Toby Young and Adam Brooks, can't imagine her book is very enlightening or well balanced.
Can you provide some examples of coverage that you find unacceptable?
Grendel
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How can it get out of hand when the vast majority of the vulnerable population are being vaccinated and nearly 4 out of 10 adults (95% of the categories likely to be severely ill) have had two jabs - far more than any other country in Europe?
clint van damme
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You new to this forum?!
David O'Day
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Once again you fail to understand what a lag is.
The past data shows that the increase in hospitalisations before came about 2 weeks after the increase in cases started so thusly the will not appear in the date now will they so it is not what is the hospitalisation rate now it is what will it potentially be in a few weeks.
Hospitalisations have not dropped, they have bobbed about and stayed roughly the same as well.
David O'Day
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skybluetony176
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Yeah but would you rather live in Italy.
Grendel
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Is there a huge rejection of take up in Italy?
Brighton Sky Blue
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How many died last summer when nobody was vaccinated?
jordan210
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I know what lag is. We can only go on what data we are currently seeing.
we are a little bit in the unknown. As the vaccine may stop the lag of people testing positive to hospitalisation.
the increased rates of discharges is keeping the rate steady. So nothing to concerning at the moment.
Others on here are saying the rates are up yet that’s not true
would be interesting to see stay rates. As wonder if people are spending less time in hospital and not needing icu.
would be interesting to see stay rates. As wonder if people are spending less time in hospital and not needing icu.
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skybluetony176
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Of the Indian variant? None. But then it didn’t exist last summer. Don’t see the problem with being cautious while we’re learning this latest variant.
shmmeee
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Ridiculous. You’re obsessing over the love life of the lead of a project as some kind of proof of the quality of his model. What? Do you hear yourself?
Put the tabloids down and have a cup of tea.