Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (5 Viewers)

[Sbarcher]

Here in Oxfordshire we have a 5 fold increase in cases from last week, includes 2 of my grandsons from different household who did not mix together. One is 24 and the other 17. Both are very responsible young men so have no idea where they picked it up from. The 24 year old had his first jab 6 weeks ago. Both have been very poorly and bedridden for a few days. We don't have a lot of fatalities right now, but I think we have a long way to go to purge it through our population.

 

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[Grendel]

Now, as you well know, you miss context including governance systems, communication, travel, transmission, and global situations.

Anyway, have a read of various pandemics, it's all interesting stuff.

Surely though there is a point when there is an acceptance on the fact risks are now low and therefore economic interests weigh more favourably

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Surely though there is a point when there is an acceptance on the fact risks are now low and therefore economic interests weigh more favourably

There is. I'd be happier if the BMA weren't considering it an act of gross negligence to make mask wearing on public transport voluntary however. Wearing a mask on a train isn't exactly a massive deal, really. Doesn't stop you doing much, other than flashing that sultry smile of yours at the broad sitting in the corner, crossing and uncrossing her legs like Cupid Stunt.

 

[wingy]

It killed 250k in 3waves I think.
I said at the start of this if the total got to 200k the government should resign.

Oh forgot they were mostly young .
Something to bear in mind if it's let rip, mutates and comes for your children.
"Coronavirus: How they tried to curb Spanish flu pandemic in 1918 - BBC News" Coronavirus: How they tried to curb Spanish flu pandemic in 1918

 

[fernandopartridge]

What nobody has said is that last year there was no vaccine but this year it's different

 

[hill83]

What nobody has said is that last year there was no vaccine but this year it's different

Say it then

 

[wingy]

What nobody has said is that last year there was no vaccine but this year it's different

Think hill has.
Someone on breakfast telly suggested only 50% innoculated

 

[Grendel]

Think hill has.
Someone on breakfast telly suggested only 50% innoculated

All risk groups have been offered 2 doses

 

[Ccfcisparks]

just seen someone on Facebook share that Masks do more harm than good? I asked what harm they do and they said that wearing a mask has long term side effects. Anyone know what they supposedly are?

 

[David O'Day]

Think hill has.
Someone on breakfast telly suggested only 50% innoculated

About 4 days ago the Midlands was at 57% double dosed. so still a way to go.

Also does anyone know why the pace of vaccinations both 1st and 2nd jabs is slowing right down?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

just seen someone on Facebook share that Masks do more harm than good? I asked what harm they do and they said that wearing a mask has long term side effects. Anyone know what they supposedly are?

The 'logic' is they restrict airflow, and you start breathing your own breath back in - i.e. carbon dioxide etc.

 

[hill83]

just seen someone on Facebook share that Masks do more harm than good? I asked what harm they do and they said that wearing a mask has long term side effects. Anyone know what they supposedly are?

Stinktash

 

[hill83]

The 'logic' is they restrict airflow, and you start breathing your own breath back in - i.e. carbon dioxide etc.

It's true, surgeons have been dying left right and centre for decades

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Have to admit, bar a rush hour train (unavoidable), shopping queues (I'll stick with deliveries, more convenient anyway, and can pop to the shop out of busy times if I really need something) and rock concerts or football games (avoidable if I want to) I do my best not to get within two metres of people anyway!

Who wants to stick their face in the presence of a stranger's?!?

 

[skybluetony176]

There is off course some people who will rely on herd immunity and not just those who can’t be arsed to get the vaccine or those fruit loops who just reject it.

People with allergies who through no fault of their own can’t have a vaccine. People without a spleen who can’t hold onto certain cell types from any vaccine so until a history is built up they don’t know how effective the vaccine is short, medium or long term for them.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Say it then

It then

 

[David O'Day]

The mask thing could change between now and the official annoucement next Monday

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The mask thing could change between now and the official annoucement next Monday

It could, and tbh that's the main problem with Johnson all through this, he introduces doubt to just about everything!

 

[Nick]

Chinese tourists have worn masks in the UK for ages, it's not a big deal. However, if cunts start putting their bags on back to front there will be trouble.

If somebody wants to wear a mask, that's their choice. If they don't and don't have to by law, it's theirs.

 

[baldy]

So are we gonna have an SBT get together before the Forest match now? I’d love to put some faces to the insults

You must be joking…I’d end up having to listen to the match from the hospital bed

 

[baldy]

What risk reduction is there from wearing masks and is it negated when they are unwashed and stuffed in pockets before putting them on?

Exactly…people put them on,take them off,touch surfaces,touch their masks again,touch more surfaces etc - where‘s the actual proof that they even work?

 

[skybluetony176]

So just to recap. The man who said we’ll be pleased to know that he was shaking hands with Covid victims in hospital just before becoming a victim himself and ending up in hospital says that we don’t need to wear masks whereas his scientific advisers have confirmed that they’ll continue to wear masks personally.

Tricky one. Who’s advice should I follow?

 

[baldy]

So just to recap. The man who said we’ll be pleased to know that he was shaking hands with Covid victims in hospital just before becoming a victim himself and ending up in hospital says that we don’t need to wear masks whereas his scientific advisers have confirmed that they’ll continue to wear masks personally.

Tricky one. Who’s advice should I follow?

Use your own mind

 

[shmmeee]

All risk groups have been offered 2 doses

Yeah just flash your booking confirmation at the virus and off it fooks.

 

[COV]

just seen someone on Facebook share that Masks do more harm than good? I asked what harm they do and they said that wearing a mask has long term side effects. Anyone know what they supposedly are?

They eventually make your ears permanently stick out from the elastic

 

[shmmeee]

Exactly…people put them on,take them off,touch surfaces,touch their masks again,touch more surfaces etc - where‘s the actual proof that they even work?

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/5.0016018

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

Association of country-wide coronavirus mortality with demographics, testing, lockdowns, and public wearing of masks (Update June 15, 2020)

Background Wide variation between countries has been noted in per-capita mortality from the disease (COVID-19) caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Determinants of this variation are not fully understood. Methods Potential predictors of per-capita coronavirus-related mortality in 198 countries were...

www.medrxiv.org

Identifying airborne transmission as the dominant route for the spread of COVID-19

We have elucidated the transmission pathways of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) by analyzing the trend and mitigation measures in the three epicenters. Our results show that the airborne transmission route is highly virulent and dominant for the spread of COVID-19. The mitigation measures...

www.pnas.org

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspa.2020.0376

Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis

The findings of this systematic review and meta-analysis support physical distancing of 1 m or more and provide quantitative estimates for models and contact tracing to inform policy. Optimum use of face masks, respirators, and eye protection in public and health-care settings should be informed...

www.thelancet.com

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jep.13415

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2005.12446.pdf

Cloth Masks May Prevent Transmission of COVID-19: An Evidence-Based, Risk-Based Approach | Annals of Internal Medicine

www.acpjournals.org

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20069567v4.full.pdf

https://gh.bmj.com/content/bmjgh/5/5/e002794.full.pdf

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/476E32549012B3620D2452F30F2567F1/S0022112020003304a.pdf/flow_physics_of_covid19.pdf

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252

Epidemiological characteristics of COVID-19 in medical staff members of neurosurgery departments in Hubei province: A multicentre descriptive study

Background The novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) has infected a large number of healthcare workers in Hubei province, China. In addition to infectious and respiratory disease physicians, many doctors in other medical fields have been infected. Methods We prospectively collected epidemiological...

www.medrxiv.org

A rapid systematic review of the efficacy of face masks and respirators against coronaviruses and other respiratory transmissible viruses for the community, healthcare workers and sick patients

The pandemic of COVID-19 is growing, and a shortage of masks and respirators has been reported globally. Policies of health organizations for healthca…

www.sciencedirect.com

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13553.pdf

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20069567v2.full.pdf

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800

Transmission of COVID-19 to Health Care Personnel During Exposures ..

Unprotected, prolonged patient contact, as well as certain exposures, including some aerosol-generating procedures, were associated with SARS-CoV-2 infection among health care personnel.

www.cdc.gov

Face Masks Against COVID-19: An Evidence Review - [v2]

www.preprints.org

Face masks for the public during the covid-19 crisis

Trisha Greenhalgh and colleagues argue that it is time to apply the precautionary principle The precautionary principle is, according to Wikipedia, “a strategy for approaching issues of potential harm when extensive scientific knowledge on the matter is lacking.” The evidence base on the...

www.bmj.com

The Case for Universal Cloth Mask Adoption and Policies to Increase Supply of Medical Masks for Health Workers

We recommend the immediate universal adoption of cloth facemasks, including homemade, and accompanying policies to increase the supply of medical masks for heal

papers.ssrn.com

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20049528v1.full.pdf

Got about another 50 if you want, got bored of copying.

 

[COV]

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/5.0016018

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

Association of country-wide coronavirus mortality with demographics, testing, lockdowns, and public wearing of masks (Update June 15, 2020)

Background Wide variation between countries has been noted in per-capita mortality from the disease (COVID-19) caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Determinants of this variation are not fully understood. Methods Potential predictors of per-capita coronavirus-related mortality in 198 countries were...

www.medrxiv.org

Identifying airborne transmission as the dominant route for the spread of COVID-19

We have elucidated the transmission pathways of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) by analyzing the trend and mitigation measures in the three epicenters. Our results show that the airborne transmission route is highly virulent and dominant for the spread of COVID-19. The mitigation measures...

www.pnas.org

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspa.2020.0376

Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis

The findings of this systematic review and meta-analysis support physical distancing of 1 m or more and provide quantitative estimates for models and contact tracing to inform policy. Optimum use of face masks, respirators, and eye protection in public and health-care settings should be informed...

www.thelancet.com

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jep.13415

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2005.12446.pdf

Cloth Masks May Prevent Transmission of COVID-19: An Evidence-Based, Risk-Based Approach | Annals of Internal Medicine

www.acpjournals.org

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20069567v4.full.pdf

https://gh.bmj.com/content/bmjgh/5/5/e002794.full.pdf

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/476E32549012B3620D2452F30F2567F1/S0022112020003304a.pdf/flow_physics_of_covid19.pdf

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252

Epidemiological characteristics of COVID-19 in medical staff members of neurosurgery departments in Hubei province: A multicentre descriptive study

Background The novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) has infected a large number of healthcare workers in Hubei province, China. In addition to infectious and respiratory disease physicians, many doctors in other medical fields have been infected. Methods We prospectively collected epidemiological...

www.medrxiv.org

A rapid systematic review of the efficacy of face masks and respirators against coronaviruses and other respiratory transmissible viruses for the community, healthcare workers and sick patients

The pandemic of COVID-19 is growing, and a shortage of masks and respirators has been reported globally. Policies of health organizations for healthca…

www.sciencedirect.com

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13553.pdf

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20069567v2.full.pdf

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800

Transmission of COVID-19 to Health Care Personnel During Exposures ..

Unprotected, prolonged patient contact, as well as certain exposures, including some aerosol-generating procedures, were associated with SARS-CoV-2 infection among health care personnel.

www.cdc.gov

Face Masks Against COVID-19: An Evidence Review - [v2]

www.preprints.org

Face masks for the public during the covid-19 crisis

Trisha Greenhalgh and colleagues argue that it is time to apply the precautionary principle The precautionary principle is, according to Wikipedia, “a strategy for approaching issues of potential harm when extensive scientific knowledge on the matter is lacking.” The evidence base on the...

www.bmj.com

The Case for Universal Cloth Mask Adoption and Policies to Increase Supply of Medical Masks for Health Workers

We recommend the immediate universal adoption of cloth facemasks, including homemade, and accompanying policies to increase the supply of medical masks for heal

papers.ssrn.com

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20049528v1.full.pdf

Got about another 50 if you want, got bored of copying.

So what are you trying to say?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

50000 infections a day isn’t great is it? Think the likelihood of a more dangerous variant is unlikely

 

[skybluetony176]

Use your own mind

TBF I didn’t have to think about it too long but I’ve decided to ignore the idiot who bragged about shaking hands with people who have Covid thinking he was a hero and decided to listen to the chief medical advisors. Much as I’ve done the whole pandemic.

 

[David O'Day]

50000 infections a day isn’t great is it? Think the likelihood of a more dangerous variant is unlikely

It's impossible to tell though

 

[Ian1779]

Use your own mind

Hello, I’d like to report a robbery at the local KFC, all the chicken has gone…

 

[Deleted member 9744]

50000 infections a day isn’t great is it? Think the likelihood of a more dangerous variant is unlikely

Why?

 

[clint van damme]

just seen someone on Facebook share that Masks do more harm than good? I asked what harm they do and they said that wearing a mask has long term side effects. Anyone know what they supposedly are?

Cauliflower ear

 

[clint van damme]

Use your own mind

You'd be better off borrowing someone else's mate

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

So are we gonna have an SBT get together before the Forest match now? I’d love to put some faces to the insults

Not if they choose to wear masks you won't