Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (182 Viewers)

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jul 13, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
People forget we had over 20,000 flu deaths a few years ago. However for flu the variants are harder to predict and we have a huge infrastructure behind sequencing and targeting probable COVID variants which should give a great degree of confidence

But we're putting a lot of resources (financial, technical and human) into keeping track of Covid and I can't see that being feasible longer term as it takes it away from other areas. We only know which variants are spreading because they're spreading rather than we identified them beofre they did so which is what we do with flu. We're then testing the vaccine on those variants and hoping they're effective against it (which, touch wood, so far they largely have been). It's a more reactive than proactive process.

As time goes on and we get more research done I'm sure we'll be able to predict with greater accuracy just as we do with flu but right now we're still playing catch up and learning.

wingy · Jul 13, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But we're putting a lot of resources (financial, technical and human) into keeping track of Covid and I can't see that being feasible longer term as it takes it away from other areas. We only know which variants are spreading because they're spreading rather than we identified them beofre they did so which is what we do with flu. We're then testing the vaccine on those variants and hoping they're effective against it (which, touch wood, so far they largely have been). It's a more reactive than proactive process.

As time goes on and we get more research done I'm sure we'll be able to predict with greater accuracy just as we do with flu but right now we're still playing catch up and learning.

All that and hopefully a simple inhale through the nose protection to use each morning while brushing your teeth.

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 13, 2021

wingy said:
All that and hopefully a simple inhale through the nose protection to use each morning while brushing your teeth.

Or taken through rolled up twenty pound notes in a nightclub?

At some stage we'll get antivirals, and at some stage we'll get a less aggressive mutation. Yep, absolutely, we'll have to treat it like flu, live with it etc. Whether the time of Javid saying it is for political reasons? Well...

(Wales keeping masks compulsory in certain public settings, btw)

chiefdave · Jul 13, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 13, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But we're putting a lot of resources (financial, technical and human) into keeping track of Covid and I can't see that being feasible longer term as it takes it away from other areas. We only know which variants are spreading because they're spreading rather than we identified them beofre they did so which is what we do with flu. We're then testing the vaccine on those variants and hoping they're effective against it (which, touch wood, so far they largely have been). It's a more reactive than proactive process.

As time goes on and we get more research done I'm sure we'll be able to predict with greater accuracy just as we do with flu but right now we're still playing catch up and learning.

Globally the need to track and monitor variants remains a top priority and flu very much remains something of an educated guess. We pick up new variants quickly as a look at the WHO list will tell you, the fine tuning needs to come in identifying which we should worry about which is hard to do until the data rolls in. Thankfully we do have a better idea of which mutations are likely to matter

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 13, 2021

chiefdave said:
Unfortunately its 100 - 200 a day not a week. That makes the figures 36.5K - 73K a year.

By comparison flu seems to average about 17K but has been below 2K some years and close to going over 30K other years. And of course that's a level of flu cases that means every winter the NHS goes into meltdown and has ambulances queuing up outside hospitals, something that for some reason now just seems to be accepted as inevitable.

Completely agree there is a point where we have to live with it but not sure comparing it to flu is helpful given the numbers being suggested. Just give us information that stands up to scrutiny. What number of deaths annually are we looking to get down to and how has that figure been arrived at, what is being done to ensure the NHS can cope with the additional associated hospitalisations and what is being put in place long term to minimise transmission.

Oops you are absolutely right

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 13, 2021

chiefdave said:

My friend is one of the senior managers in there

COV · Jul 13, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
My friend is one of the senior managers in there

The Department of Health?

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 13, 2021

COV said:
The Department of Health?

No at the new site in leamington, the strategy and engagement director / lead

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jul 13, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
My friend is one of the senior managers in there

Uber?

Sorry, just trying to lighten this place up a bit.

David O'Day · Jul 13, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
My friend is one of the senior managers in there

Hopefully they've got enough staff

Still get begging emails crying out for qualified staff for that place.

COV · Jul 13, 2021

Anti-vaccine lady tweets that the covid vaccine is not safe… then dies of covid

So so so stupid

Olivia Guidry: Louisiana nurse who tweeted against vaccine dies of Covid-19

Olivia Guidry worked in the emergency room at Ochsner Lafayette General Medical Center and had tweeted Covid vaccine isn't safe

www.google.ie

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 13, 2021

What’s happened in Spain? 50 deaths today crept up. Hope we don’t have to go back to more restrictions. Still seems daft to remove the mandate on masks and distancing when infections are high

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 13, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
What’s happened in Spain? 50 deaths today crept up. Hope we don’t have to go back to more restrictions. Still seems daft to remove the mandate on masks and distancing when infections are high

The idea is clearly to let infections get high now rather than later, which I can understand

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 13, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The idea is clearly to let infections get high now rather than later, which I can understand

Me too but risky when they are talking about 2.5m infections a month. That’s a lot of long Covid. Allegedly 1m sufferers already

wingy · Jul 13, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The idea is clearly to let infections get high now rather than later, which I can understand

Then what, achieve herd immunity,it plateaus out?

Saddlebrains · Jul 13, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
Me too but risky when they are talking about 2.5m infections a month. That’s a lot of long Covid. Allegedly 1m sufferers already

You mean post viral fatigue? Thats been around for years?

Its just been given a different name

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 13, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
You mean post viral fatigue? Thats been around for years?

Its just been given a different name

Watch panorama and talk to people who’ve got it. If it’s important for you to feel you know more than medical professionals then fill your boots

Saddlebrains · Jul 13, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
Watch panorama and talk to people who’ve got it. If it’s important for you to feel you know more than medical professionals then fill your boots

All you're ever doing on here is poo pooing anything positive. On the football forum you're very knowledgable and informative, on here I've never seen a man so scared of anything.

Sick Boy · Jul 13, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
All you're ever doing on here is poo pooing anything positive. On the football forum you're very knowledgable and informative, on here I've never seen a man so scared of anything.

No need for that. He’s expressing his concerns that are not without merit.

Tommo1993 · Jul 13, 2021

Morale totally destroyed!…by poo poo!

Saddlebrains · Jul 13, 2021

Sick Boy said:
No need for that. He’s expressing his concerns that are not without merit.

Expressing concerns is fine. But i cant remember one time on this thread hes met anything with positivity.

skybluetony176 · Jul 13, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
What’s happened in Spain? 50 deaths today crept up. Hope we don’t have to go back to more restrictions. Still seems daft to remove the mandate on masks and distancing when infections are high

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 13, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
Expressing concerns is fine. But i cant remember one time on this thread hes met anything with positivity.

Top of this page is pretty balanced from me I think about Nick and Grendel being helpful talking about getting back to normal

I’m not scared one bit of dying of Covid as the risk to me is tiny and I’m pretty sensible and aware what’s risky and what’s not in terms of masks and indoor activity. I’m also pretty fit and exercise to keep my weight down

I am fearful that if we don’t learn lessons we will keep repeating mistakes. We can open the things up we need to without throwing everything out like masks and distancing

Sorry to bring you down with my own negativity. I prefer balanced but I can take it on the chin if that’s how you feel

COV · Jul 13, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
All you're ever doing on here is poo pooing anything positive. On the football forum you're very knowledgable and informative, on here I've never seen a man so scared of anything.

You poo poo everything full stop to be honest, and how you think you have the right to slag off anyone who is worried about coronavirus is weird

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 13, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
Top of this page is pretty balanced from me I think about Nick and Grendel being helpful talking about getting back to normal

I’m not scared one bit of dying of Covid as the risk to me is tiny and I’m pretty sensible and aware what’s risky and what’s not in terms of masks and indoor activity. I’m also pretty fit and exercise to keep my weight down

I am fearful that if we don’t learn lessons we will keep repeating mistakes. We can open the things up we need to without throwing everything out like masks and distancing

Sorry to bring you down with my own negativity. I prefer balanced but I can take it on the chin if that’s how you feel

Oh and the panorama programme even touches on that explaining that all viruses can leave semi permanent issues and expects most people to return to normal within 2-3 years

COV · Jul 13, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
Expressing concerns is fine. But i cant remember one time on this thread hes met anything with positivity.

Maybe we should organise an open top bus parade to celebrate all the positive aspects that have happened thanks to the coronavirus

Saddlebrains · Jul 13, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
Top of this page is pretty balanced from me I think about Nick and Grendel being helpful talking about getting back to normal

I’m not scared one bit of dying of Covid as the risk to me is tiny and I’m pretty sensible and aware what’s risky and what’s not in terms of masks and indoor activity. I’m also pretty fit and exercise to keep my weight down

I am fearful that if we don’t learn lessons we will keep repeating mistakes. We can open the things up we need to without throwing everything out like masks and distancing

Sorry to bring you down with my own negativity. I prefer balanced but I can take it on the chin if that’s how you feel

Apologies if I've offended i didnt intend too. And in regards too the learning lessons i agree with you completely. I just feel the long covid etc is unfortunately something we will have to put up with if we want any semblance of life going back to the good old days of 2019.

Unfortunately there will be loads more cases but my hope is that eventually this is going to run out of people to infect. The amount of people vaccinated, the amount with antibodies etc. Cant see how its going to keep going as it is

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 13, 2021

COV said:
Maybe we should organise an open top bus parade to celebrate all the positive aspects of the coronavirus

The vaccination programme is absolutely brilliant
The link between infection and serious illness, hospitalisation and death is absolutely brilliant
The delta variant is very scary
The number of infections is very scary

Both of those issues mean that the vaccination and all the successes of that can be put at risk if we aren’t sensible in opening things up

Opening up now is better than autumn and winter for the reasons mr Whitty has explained but even he doesn’t think masks and social distancing should stop

You know the issue is the higher number of infections means a more dangerous variant is more likely

Is that more positive and balanced?

Also I think if the numbers of deaths have to be 10-15000 a year then level with us and help us limit that figure

That’s public health management and is reasonable proportionate and allows cautious optimism that we can all get back to football and not have to say bye to too many of our elderly relatives sooner than we would have

Saddlebrains · Jul 13, 2021

COV said:
You poo poo everything full stop to be honest, and how you think you have the right to slag off anyone who is worried about coronavirus is weird

Wasnt slagging off was i bucket hat?

Agree on the poo pooing everything else, I'm a generally miserable c**t. Just want normality to return

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 13, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
Apologies if I've offended i didnt intend too. And in regards too the learning lessons i agree with you completely. I just feel the long covid etc is unfortunately something we will have to put up with if we want any semblance of life going back to the good old days of 2019.

Unfortunately there will be loads more cases but my hope is that eventually this is going to run out of people to infect. The amount of people vaccinated, the amount with antibodies etc. Cant see how its going to keep going as it is

Agreed. You didn’t offend me I’m happy we should express ourselves genuinely and open ourselves up to other opinions even when we disagree with them. Cheers mister

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jul 13, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
Agreed. You didn’t offend me I’m happy we should express ourselves genuinely and open ourselves up to other opinions even when we disagree with them. Cheers mister

In fairness, I think we are both pretty polar when it comes to covid, but I have always found you respectful and open minded to listen to other people's opinions.

Considering the amount of scraps that thrive on these threads, that is a commendable asset!

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 13, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
In fairness, I think we are both pretty polar when it comes to covid, but I have always found you respectful and open minded to listen to other people's opinions.

Considering the amount of scraps that thrive on these threads, that is a commendable asset!

I find it hard to argue with others deeply held legitimate opinions across many different topics. I get annoyed with people that wind others up for a laugh or plays devils advocate to get a rise. But anyone who says they want things back to normal now has a point right!!!

I also think we argue in the margins often. We mostly agree that we fucked up locking down too late opening up too early and locking down too late. Most agree Indian flights were a bad idea
Most agree Boris and others had a difficult job and what a responsibility

I think most agree if you look on pages 1-30 odd on here that we’ve all got an opini but it needs to be informed to be accepted

The current debate for me is levelling with us. Not being gungho and accepting as a guvebrment you won’t be liked all the time.

within that lots of opinions are valid and should be put into the open to avoid us going mad

Also I’m so aware that when you have friends die or are made really poorly you see things differently and if you haven’t you see things differently

clint van damme · Jul 13, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
Expressing concerns is fine. But i cant remember one time on this thread hes met anything with positivity.

It's a thread about a global pandemic. If it ends tomorrow there will still be tens of thousands of people who've lost their lives. Not really a lot to be positive about.

I've never heard of post viral whatever in my 50 odd years on this planet but I know two people with long covid both of whom have had more time of work in the last 10 months than in the previous 30 years combined.

Now maybe it helps you to cope by pretending this isn't a unique situation with consequences beyond anything we've experienced in our life times and that's fine but that's not the reality.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 13, 2021

wingy said:
Then what, achieve herd immunity,it plateaus out?

It is currently spreading through very low risk groups. As the double jabbed majority are much less likely to get infected or spread it will hit a wall. What makes sense definitely is for this to happen now rather than later and achieve mass immunity by the back door

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