Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (237 Viewers)

[Kieranp96]

In which case they would have died from Omicron and not with it, if it was directly attributed.

Guessing they're doing a post mortem, i think all the rules and shit are stupid but you cant downplay it, i mean what happens if it comes out that it hits our elderly population again with such force the nhs cant cope again? Thsn you blame him for not locking down, csnt have ot both ways
We either have restictions and see where it is and if it turns out to be as mild as they say then happy days unlock and be back to normal.

But what happens if he dont lock down and it comes out deadlier than they expect and it overwhelms everything snd we end up going into a steict lockdown again?

 

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[Kieranp96]

Yeah my GF has a midwifery patient who now has kidney problems caused by it and has had multiple blood transfusions - probably best not to say where the blood is coming from.

My grandads brother has had kidney problems since catching covid, he is now on dialisis 2x a week, we dont know if it was directly linked to covid or if it was just found afyer covid all he knows is he felt great before covid and now he is in a electric chair and struggling (he is 89 yo)

 

[Nick]

Guessing they're doing a post mortem, i think all the rules and shit are stupid but you cant downplay it, i mean what happens if it comes out that it hits our elderly population again with such force the nhs cant cope again? Thsn you blame him for not locking down, csnt have ot both ways
We either have restictions and see where it is and if it turns out to be as mild as they say then happy days unlock and be back to normal.

But what happens if he dont lock down and it comes out deadlier than they expect and it overwhelms everything snd we end up going into a steict lockdown again?

"What happens if" What about the next one? The one after that? What about next year when the NHS is dogshit and it's easier to just restrict things than fix it?

Statistically, I have 0.0093% chance of dying from COVID. The risk of suicide or cancer is much, much higher.

 

[Evo1883]

Atleast the Christmas party is forgotten about now eh

 

[Nick]

Atleast the Christmas party is forgotten about now eh

The strangest thing is, it has got people defending them now and justifying them bullshitting.

 

[chiefdave]

Would be interesting to see if the same metric was applied to people who die "with" obesity and other things in the UK.

Depends which stats you want to look at. Its unlikely to be listed as a cause of death but PHE produces stats about the number of deaths where obesity is a factor and those are the figures that are used to decide policy, treatment paths etc.

 

[Kieranp96]

"What happens if" What about the next one? The one after that? What about next year when the NHS is dogshit and it's easier to just restrict things than fix it?

Statistically, I have 0.0093% chance of dying from COVID. The risk of suicide or cancer is much, much higher.

Im sure the 160k people who died in 18 months agree with you, just like the two 15 year olds that died feom. Covid last week,

 

[Kieranp96]

"What happens if" What about the next one? The one after that? What about next year when the NHS is dogshit and it's easier to just restrict things than fix it?

Statistically, I have 0.0093% chance of dying from COVID. The risk of suicide or cancer is much, much higher.

Ay what about the lad that Died here. From Covid who was in here?

 

[Nick]

Depends which stats you want to look at. Its unlikely to be listed as a cause of death but PHE produces stats about the number of deaths where obesity is a factor and those are the figures that are used to decide policy, treatment paths etc.

That's the thing, if everything is then done by "died with" rather than "from" it's absolute carnage.

How many people die with mental health / depression issues compared to die from / because of them? Change a word around and you have completely different numbers.

 

[skybluetony176]

 

[Nick]

Im sure the 160k people who died in 18 months agree with you, just like the two 15 year olds that died feom. Covid last week,

Pretty sure the 450 that will have died from cancer yesterday outweigh the 1 that died with omicron. Still, let's cancel appointments.

I'm just pointing out facts. Yes, if I have 2 jabs I can still catch it and pass it on. So can people who have had boosters.

In fact if I am then taking tests before going to football matches etc I am going to be less likely than people who have had boosters who would have no clue if they have it or not.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Pretty sure the 450 that will have died from cancer yesterday outweigh the 1 that died with omicron. Still, let's cancel appointments.

Cancer is not infectious

 

[Nick]

Cancer is not infectious

I didn't say it was.

 

[Sick Boy]

"What happens if" What about the next one? The one after that? What about next year when the NHS is dogshit and it's easier to just restrict things than fix it?

Statistically, I have 0.0093% chance of dying from COVID. The risk of suicide or cancer is much, much higher.

Until it’s tackled on a global level then it’s going to continue. At the moment the west is looking too inwardly on the situation and there’s even predictions on here about the pandemic coming to an end based on the situation in the UK, I’m sure I saw that the world’s percentage who have access to vaccines is in single figures.

 

[jordan210]

Im sure the 160k people who died in 18 months agree with you, just like the two 15 year olds that died feom. Covid last week,

This story has been recycled as was back in October Two pupils at a Newcastle-under-Lyme school die during half-term

Also unfortunately one of the children is obese what plays a massive part in fighting any infection/virus.

But none the less is very sad story. But it is rare for Children to die of covid.

 

[David O'Day]

Until it’s tackled on a global level then it’s going to continue. At the moment the west is looking too inwardly on the situation and there’s even predictions on here about the pandemic coming to an end based on the situation in the UK, I’m sure I saw that the world’s percentage who have access to vaccines is in single figures.

This situation is the reason why the insular looking approach fails. It doesn't matter how good you are doing if other places become variant factories due to the lack of vaccines they have available.

 

[Ian1779]

It's hardly claiming to be an expert though, is it? It's fact.

It’s a fact based on the data so far…. Which is small and limited.

I genuinely don’t understand why you are getting so agitated about this at this stage. If the figures are still the same in a month then I do understand.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Ok looking at Italy today and the rapid spread could this now mess up the season

Serie A games off in Italy

Any thoughts ? It may happen in fact more likely than not

Fuck me. Looked back to post 1 of this.

Little did we know hey

 

[Nick]

It’s a fact based on the data so far…. Which is small and limited.

I genuinely don’t understand why you are getting so agitated about this at this stage. If the figures are still the same in a month then I do understand.

Agitated that people are clearly bullshitting? If they are the facts in a month then they will be the facts either way whether not much has changed or the world has ended.

Again, not claiming to be an expert.

 

[Ian1779]

Agitated that people are clearly bullshitting? If they are the facts in a month then they will be the facts either way whether not much has changed or the world has ended.

Again, not claiming to be an expert.

There is always bullshit regardless - but if the numbers of deaths has skyrocketed in a month then maybe it’s a bit justified. If it’s still minimal then your assertions are valid - expert or not.

 

[Kieranp96]

This story has been recycled as was back in October Two pupils at a Newcastle-under-Lyme school die during half-term

Also unfortunately one of the children is obese what plays a massive part in fighting any infection/virus.

But none the less is very sad story. But it is rare for Children to die of covid.

Ok on the date i only seen recently, but still them two kids would likely be alive if it wasn't for covid, i caught covid at 21 stone i was perfectly fine, i also caught covid in august at 17 stone and was kicked in the ass. (covid in aigust confirmed via antibody strength and it was guess work)

 

[Kieranp96]

Pretty sure the 450 that will have died from cancer yesterday outweigh the 1 that died with omicron. Still, let's cancel appointments.

I'm just pointing out facts. Yes, if I have 2 jabs I can still catch it and pass it on. So can people who have had boosters.

In fact if I am then taking tests before going to football matches etc I am going to be less likely than people who have had boosters who would have no clue if they have it or not.

Youre right with the spreading ect but if you was to catch it vs me or any other person vaccinated you will be the one likely in a hospital begging for the nhs to save your life.

 

[David O'Day]

There is always bullshit regardless - but if the numbers of deaths has skyrocketed in a month then maybe it’s a bit justified. If it’s still minimal then your assertions are valid - expert or not.

This it, they are worried about it's transmissibility which means that in a month relatively small figures can become much much larger

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Who here genuinely believes there will be another lockdown.

 

[Nick]

There is always bullshit regardless - but if the numbers of deaths has skyrocketed in a month then maybe it’s a bit justified. If it’s still minimal then your assertions are valid - expert or not.

But you were trying to make out I claimed to be an expert for pointing out the media bullshit?

My assertions are based on now.

Should it be ok to scare monger saying something has happened because it might happen in the future?

 

[Nick]

Youre right with the spreading ect but if you was to catch it vs me or any other person vaccinated you will be the one likely in a hospital begging for the nhs to save your life.

So you are now saying I am less likely to spread it if I am tested often so it's then on the very very small risk that the latest variant is going to put my life at risk?

Personal risk wise, I am more likely to be calling on the NHS to help sort my cancer. (If I can get in)

So which is it? If I don't have a booster I am selfish for spreading it and killing others or if I don't have a booster I am selfish because I am going to need the NHS to save my life from Omicron / COVID?

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Who here genuinely believes there will be another lockdown.

No unless the severity of illness caused by this variant is considerably higher than initial findings suggest

 

[Kieranp96]

So you are now saying I am less likely to spread it if I am tested often so it's then on the very very small risk that the latest variant is going to put my life at risk?

Personal risk wise, I am more likely to be calling on the NHS to help sort my cancer. (If I can get in)

So which is it? If I don't have a booster I am selfish for spreading it and killing others or if I don't have a booster I am selfish because I am going to need the NHS to save my life from Omicron / COVID?

Cancer vs covid is a stupid argument, one you can take precautions tge other is a gene mutation

 

[Nick]

Cancer vs covid is a stupid argument, one you can take precautions tge other is a gene mutation

I just said I am more likely to need the NHS for Cancer.

Which is it? If I don't get the booster am I selfish for spreading it or selfish because I might need the NHS to save my life from COVID?

After all, if I go into the game on Saturday double jabbed and a negative result who is more likely to spread it out of me and somebody with the Booster who hasn't been tested?

 

[David O'Day]

Who here genuinely believes there will be another lockdown.

Depends on how transmissible it actually is. As someone showed on here it can be far less severe that previous variants but if the transmission is large enough you will end up with more people in hospital.

That is the fear with this variant at the moment.

 

[Nick]

That scared the red lists have been scrapped.

 

[robbiekeane]

There won't be another lockdown noone will have it. There will be zero compliance.

I'm definitely still goign ahead with my xmas party on thursday night, can't wait.

Got my booster today on far gosford street - right shit show

 

[duffer]

So we're all at panic stations for something that's 30% less severe than what we're all at least double jabbed against.


this reaction at the minute stinks

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First off, there's some straightforward untruths there. I trust Nick will pick them up with his customary vigilance about Covid myths.

Viruses can mutate to be more deadly as well as less deadly. Don't trust Twitter for science is a pretty good rule imho.

At the moment we're not quite sure which way it will go but even if Omicron only resulted in a quarter of the hospitalisations that Delta caused, the rate of infection/re-infection appears to be far quicker (doubling around every two days, we're told).

Again, a little bit of maths helps here. A small proportion of a very large number is still a pretty big number. When you get into geometric progressions, the numbers get big pretty quickly.

If one person died today of Omicron, and then that doubled every three days, so on Friday two people died, next Monday four people and so on, then by New Year's Day we'd be at 64 deaths a day and 127 dead.

By the end of January though, the death rate per day would be 65,536, and over 130,000 would have died.

I'm not saying for a moment that's what's going to happen, but that's what's causing concern about the new variant.

You could take the line that there's nothing to worry about, and that it's all been overblown to sell papers and make people rich and distract from the idiocy of the government etc.. And you could be right.

And if you are right then I guess people will feel like they've been pressured into vaccinations and inconvenienced by face masks for no good reason. And some corrupt bastards will have made some more money at our expense.

Or you could be wrong, in which case thousands (maybe tens of thousands) of people end up dead or seriously ill and perhaps the NHS completely breaks under the strain.

Personally, I can only see one rational option here, given the risks of doing nothing.

I certainly don't see the proposed changes as an overreaction, but obviously some differ. We're certainly not at 'panic stations' though, unless I've missed the air raid sirens whilst I was on the bog.

 

[duffer]

Shit loads of people going into hospital every day
If more people get infected with something they have no clue they have and then find out on entry to hospital, it's likely that there will be more people in hospital with it

All depends how figures want to be spun and how vague they are. It's common sense.

The key thing is, how many are seriously ill BECAUSE of Omicron and how many die BECAUSE of Omicron.

No. The key thing is how many *will* become ill with Omicron and die of it.

Again, do you think this is a worldwide conspiracy by every government and every media outlet?

We are not the only country proposing additional measures. Why do you think other countries are worried?

 

[Nick]

No. The key thing is how many *will* become ill with Omicron and die of it.

Again, do you think this is a worldwide conspiracy by every government and every media outlet?

We are not the only country proposing additional measures. Why do you think other countries are worried?

Who has said anything about a conspiracy?

The key thing is how many will actually become ill with it and die of it. Must just be a coincidence it is worldwide news that somebody died from it after Boris gave his little vague one liner.

Is this now a thing? What is to stop somebody from giving a bug going round a scary name and then we need restrictions every few months just in case this is the one to kill 65,000 a day?

IF this is just like the flu / a cold then do we start testing for this in everybody who dies in hospital going forward so we can give it a label? Where does it end?

(I hope to got that this is just a sniffle and we all live happily ever after, this won't be the "end" even if it does turn out to be a sniffle).