one point about the Spanish Flu. There is an argument hinted at by some studies that the 1st and 2nd waves of the pandemic where actually 2 different viruses
Interesting read that, thanks, although there are conflicting opinions even there. I think what's clear though, is that viruses certainly do not always mutate to become less virulent.
Blimey, if you follow Cov long enough, not only do you become better at forensic accountancy and law, but you also have to brush up on virology. Where will it end.
Even though the headlines are massive, it's still just below 5%
I guess the issue with knowing 100% what caused the Spanish Flu is that we didn't isolate the flu until the 30s
Anyway i digress
Some of you might find this interesting. New estimate for cases. So the million cases was BS
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That clearly says that because of steps taken the estimate based on the doubling time if they didn't take steps is no longer valid as we have in fact taken steps.
Some of you might find this interesting. New estimate for cases. So the million cases was BS
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it says due to behaviour changes. Nothing has changed that drastically in 3 days
Surprised it amuses them to be honest, I'd be sick of it by now.My wife works in a hospital. Most in ICU are covid sufferers. It “amuses” the ICU staff how the vaccine refusers are only too happy to accept whatever treatment is offered.
Things had already started to change to be fair, Christmas parties cancelled etc. As it was in March 2020 people and businesses started to take action before any government announcement.it says due to behaviour changes. Nothing has changed that drastically in 3 days
If this is actually confirmed as a lab leak rather than of natural origin, China should be levied some pretty big reparations.
Surprised it amuses them to be honest, I'd be sick of it by now.
Surprised it amuses them to be honest, I'd be sick of it by now.
Good point. How many refusers have prevented their children having vaccinations as they have grown up? Seems to be a badge of honour not to wear the badge.Gallows humour, I guess.
Genuine question, when did vaccine resistance become a thing?
We've lived through an era when we've completely eradicated smallpox and massively reduced polio and TB. All through vaccination, with probably millions of lives saved.
We'd have made a massive dent in measles (another massively contagious and significantly harmful disease), if it hadn't been for a single discredited study blown up by the media. (That'll cheer Nick up).
Is the resistance down to something that I'm completely missing, or is it just the malign influence of social media (which is my, entirely unproven, non-evidenced, theory)?
Gallows humour, I guess.
Genuine question, when did vaccine resistance become a thing?
We've lived through an era when we've completely eradicated smallpox and massively reduced polio and TB. All through vaccination, with probably millions of lives saved.
We'd have made a massive dent in measles (another massively contagious and significantly harmful disease), if it hadn't been for a single discredited study blown up by the media. (That'll cheer Nick up).
Is the resistance down to something that I'm completely missing, or is it just the malign influence of social media (which is my, entirely unproven, non-evidenced, theory)?
Do those who are genuinely against the vaccine rather than just haven't bothered accept hospital treatment and medication? Appreciate not a lot of their stance makes sense but if you won't take a vaccine as you don't know what's in it do they research every treatment offered to them or just trust what the medical professionals tell them?My wife works in a hospital. Most in ICU are covid sufferers. It “amuses” the ICU staff how the vaccine refusers are only too happy to accept whatever treatment is offered.
When in hospital no treatment is questioned. Not marching down the street with a placard when this happens!Do those who are genuinely against the vaccine rather than just haven't bothered accept hospital treatment and medication? Appreciate not a lot of their stance makes sense but if you won't take a vaccine as you don't know what's in it do they research every treatment offered to them or just trust what the medical professionals tell them?
The UK has really low levels of vaccine hesitancy to be fair. I think Andrew Wakefield caused a lot of grief but even despite that our take up rate is excellent.Gallows humour, I guess.
Genuine question, when did vaccine resistance become a thing?
We've lived through an era when we've completely eradicated smallpox and massively reduced polio and TB. All through vaccination, with probably millions of lives saved.
We'd have made a massive dent in measles (another massively contagious and significantly harmful disease), if it hadn't been for a single discredited study blown up by the media. (That'll cheer Nick up).
Is the resistance down to something that I'm completely missing, or is it just the malign influence of social media (which is my, entirely unproven, non-evidenced, theory)?
Ebola? Hiv? The common influenza?Gallows humour, I guess.
Genuine question, when did vaccine resistance become a thing?
We've lived through an era when we've completely eradicated smallpox and massively reduced polio and TB. All through vaccination, with probably millions of lives saved.
We'd have made a massive dent in measles (another massively contagious and significantly harmful disease), if it hadn't been for a single discredited study blown up by the media. (That'll cheer Nick up).
Is the resistance down to something that I'm completely missing, or is it just the malign influence of social media (which is my, entirely unproven, non-evidenced, theory)?
Agree our rates are alot better than other countrys but i still have mates well ex mates that have ditched me for taking the vaccine, the same idiots started comparing covid to cancerThe UK has really low levels of vaccine hesitancy to be fair. I think Andrew Wakefield caused a lot of grief but even despite that our take up rate is excellent.
I think the anti vax stuff is in the same nihilist bucket as brexit, the "politicians are all the same" and other things. All just signs of people who feel powerless but want to express power in some way
Agree our rates are alot better than other countrys but i still have mates well ex mates that have ditched me for taking the vaccine, the same idiots started comparing covid to cancer
Things had already started to change to be fair, Christmas parties cancelled etc. As it was in March 2020 people and businesses started to take action before any government announcement.
The UK has really low levels of vaccine hesitancy to be fair. I think Andrew Wakefield caused a lot of grief but even despite that our take up rate is excellent.
I think the anti vax stuff is in the same nihilist bucket as brexit, the "politicians are all the same" and other things. All just signs of people who feel powerless but want to express power in some way
The little god theory. We all think we know bestGallows humour, I guess.
Genuine question, when did vaccine resistance become a thing?
We've lived through an era when we've completely eradicated smallpox and massively reduced polio and TB. All through vaccination, with probably millions of lives saved.
We'd have made a massive dent in measles (another massively contagious and significantly harmful disease), if it hadn't been for a single discredited study blown up by the media. (That'll cheer Nick up).
Is the resistance down to something that I'm completely missing, or is it just the malign influence of social media (which is my, entirely unproven, non-evidenced, theory)?
Yep my sensible friends who’ve not had the vaccine are saying precisely this. And you can’t tell them the science or medical opinion as they are on the governments payrollI think the only reason I have heard from people that are still yet to get the vaccine that isn't anti-vax is that they are concerned by how quickly the vaccine was created, without the chance to understand long-term effects.
Obviously, despite the mountain of evidence against the need to worry, you can at least semi understand that view point.
The reality is that for most people this is going to become a regular vaccination probably every year.
Actually, it has. Go and Google the impact on the numbers on public transport since the work from home directive was announced.
Then see if you can dig out the stats on the number of cancelled bookings in the hospitality sector in the same period.
What you'll see is that behaviour has already changed, and therefore the modellers have quite honestly said that the assumptions used no longer apply.
You've then called BS on it, which is really odd because they're basically saying, quite openly, 'we can't be certain'.
This kind of thing, along with your repeating the myth about viruses always becoming less virulent, makes me wonder if you're really looking at this with a genuinely critical eye, or whether you've already made your mind up that you're being lied to and you're scrabbling around for something to prove it.
Certainly no increase in hospital numbers yet. Am aware of many more positive cases in those around me though. None at all poorly though so that’s great
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