Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (23 Viewers)

[Skybluefaz]

Despite omicron, Covid-19 will become endemic. Here’s how.

The variant has changed how we get from “pandemic” to “endemic,” but that doesn’t mean we’re back to square one.

www.vox.com

 

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[Skybluefaz]

Yep. Sadly.

Yeah I was hoping to do a Google and the overwhelming answer would be that it wouldn't bother us by next year. The feeling seems to be that we don't really know. So every chance the thread could still be going strong.

 

[Nick]

Erm it is still pretty contagious and unlike COVID it’s always symptomatic. Think it was winter 2018 we had over 20,000 flu deaths despite an established vaccination program. Not sure how this winter’s COVID deaths are looking by comparison

The thing with that is testing.

If we got a million people to do Flu Tests every day for a week in December than how many would show they had it without even knowing?

 

[Langers70]

Loads not wearing masks in Tesco this morning

 

[robbiekeane]

Well yeah, people locked away in their homes while everybody else carries on as normal.

I wouldn't have said that you said it without confirming it first.

So no quote then

 

[fernandopartridge]

The thing with that is testing.

If we got a million people to do Flu Tests every day for a week in December than how many would show they had it without even knowing?

The vast majority of reported cases will be symptomatic given that PCR testing is of people displaying symptoms.

The prevalence of flu is lower as it is nowhere near as transmissible as current variant of COVID and a much lower % of the population get it every season, around 10% or less.

So essentially, you're wrong about the apparent prevalence being because of testing but flu is probably underreported to an extent.

 

[Nick]

So no quote then

You said you are up for a lockdown of non vacced people.

It's all well and good telling others they need a break but fucking hell.

Of course you said it.

 

[Nick]

The vast majority of reported cases will be symptomatic given that PCR testing is of people displaying symptoms.

The prevalence of flu is lower as it is nowhere near as transmissible as current variant of COVID and a much lower % of the population get it every season, around 10% or less.

So essentially, you're wrong about the apparent prevalence being because of testing but flu is probably underreported to an extent.

Not really, there are plenty who will get PCR because of a positive rapid test with no symptoms.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The thing with that is testing.

If we got a million people to do Flu Tests every day for a week in December than how many would show they had it without even knowing?

It would be irrelevant to test for flu, it’s never asymptomatic

 

[chiefdave]

Well yeah, people locked away in their homes while everybody else carries on as normal.

The thing that is often missed is that there will be a group of people locked away in their homes while everybody else carries on as normal so at some point a choice has to be made if the group that suffers should be the vulnerable or those who take the choice not to be vaccinated.

The advise for the vulnerable, and that's a group that includes millions of people, was updated on Xmas Eve and basically tells them to avoid other people unless they are vaccinated or tested.

 

[Nick]

It would be irrelevant to test for flu, it’s never asymptomatic

Really?

 

[Nick]

The thing that is often missed is that there will be a group of people locked away in their homes while everybody else carries on as normal so at some point a choice has to be made if the group that suffers should be the vulnerable or those who take the choice not to be vaccinated.

The advise for the vulnerable, and that's a group that includes millions of people, was updated on Xmas Eve and basically tells them to avoid other people unless they are vaccinated or tested.

Do you think locking people down who aren't vaxxed would make a difference to them getting Omicron?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Really?

I could be wrong, but I’ve never heard of asymptomatic flu. The other big difference is that you usually transmit flu after you develop symptoms, not before as with COVID.

 

[Nick]

I could be wrong, but I’ve never heard of asymptomatic flu. The other big difference is that you usually transmit flu after you develop symptoms, not before as with COVID.

A decent chunk it seems has no symptoms. It can still be passed on (albeit not at the same rate as with symptoms).

So yeah if we were to test for traces daily then I'm pretty sure shit loads of people over December then I'm sure lots of people would have it and die with it.

 

[chiefdave]

Do you think locking people down who aren't vaxxed would make a difference to them getting Omicron?

There's no perfect solution that will 100% guarantee nobody getting covid. Its about finding a balance where mitigations have minimal impact on peoples everyday lives, especially if this is going to be around long term.

Why are vulnerable people advised to avoid the unvaccinated if it makes no difference to their chances of catching covid? What is your solution to this, the vulnerable are permanently locked down? Personally if we have to make a choice between locking down the vulnerable or those who refuse to get a jab with no good reason I know which group I'm locking down.

 

[Nick]

There's no perfect solution that will 100% guarantee nobody getting covid. Its about finding a balance where mitigations have minimal impact on peoples everyday lives, especially if this is going to be around long term.

Why are vulnerable people advised to avoid the unvaccinated if it makes no difference to their chances of catching covid? What is your solution to this, the vulnerable are permanently locked down? Personally if we have to make a choice between locking down the vulnerable or those who refuse to get a jab with no good reason I know which group I'm locking down.

I don't want the vulnerable to be locked down either to be fair. I just think you are never going to be ever avoid it.

People are always going to die, that can't be avoided either sadly.

At what point is it just let's live as normal as possible and accept it?

Is it serious that people have died and will die? Of course it is, but look how paranoid people now are about a headache or runny nose which would have barely been an issue 3 years ago.

I'm the same, I currently test every day even though there's nothing wrong with me because I've been in contact with somebody who had a headache for a day.

 

[Nick]

Will be OK for the 4th and 5th jabs now Flurona is coming.

I'm hoping it isn't actually a thing and is just a windup.

 

[Saddlebrains]

I didnt bother with a PCR. Whats the point?

3 positive as fuck LFT's are surely enough to know, along with fatigue and a cough

Whats the need for a PCR?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I didnt bother with a PCR. Whats the point?

3 positive as fuck LFT's are surely enough to know, along with fatigue and a cough

Whats the need for a PCR?

They test them further for variants Etc

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Figures not looking good now! Think some action required other than try your best guys and do what you can

 

[clint van damme]

I didnt bother with a PCR. Whats the point?

3 positive as fuck LFT's are surely enough to know, along with fatigue and a cough

Whats the need for a PCR?

My daughter has had positive lateral flow tests today. Nearest PCR we could get booked was Glouscester which isn't happening.
Staying in her room isolating.

 

[fernandopartridge]

My daughter has had positive lateral flow tests today. Nearest PCR we could get booked was Glouscester which isn't happening.
Staying in her room isolating.

Tbh they should abandon confirmation PCR testing, just a waste of time.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Tbh they should abandon confirmation PCR testing, just a waste of time.

As I say it’s a different test and is not just used to confirm a positive lft

 

[ajsccfc]

Do you think we'll be having the same arguments this time next year?

Yes, but on the plus side we'll all be able to recite the Greek alphabet

 

[fernandopartridge]

As I say it’s a different test and is not just used to confirm a positive lft

It's a waste of resource, people should isolate on the basis of symptoms or a positive LFT.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It's a waste of resource, people should isolate on the basis of symptoms or a positive LFT.

They do

 

[SBT]

Do you think we'll be having the same arguments this time next year?

This time last year it was the same people begging for the vaccine, and moaning that people in supermarkets were just trying to get on with their lives as normal despite the risks. So in a way, we’ve done a full 180.

 

[Nick]

This time last year it was the same people begging for the vaccine, and moaning that people in supermarkets were just trying to get on with their lives as normal despite the risks. So in a way, we’ve done a full 180.

Were they? You seem to have a distorted memory.

 

[Nick]

They do

I don't. I've had symptoms but not isolating.

Negative lft though.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Tbh they should abandon confirmation PCR testing, just a waste of time.

Erm no

 

[Skybluefaz]

This time last year it was the same people begging for the vaccine, and moaning that people in supermarkets were just trying to get on with their lives as normal despite the risks. So in a way, we’ve done a full 180.

I was really trying to get at whether we think the virus will still be influencing the way we live rather than digging anyone out.

 

[SBT]

Were they? You seem to have a distorted memory.

You in January 2022: The boosters might make you catch Omicron, the goalposts keep being moved, and the evil vaccine companies never want the pandemic to end

You in January 2021:

 

[Nick]

You in January 2022: The boosters might make you catch Omicron, the goalposts keep being moved, and the evil vaccine companies never want the pandemic to end

You in January 2021:

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Yeah I said I'd take a jab from Joshua if it meant an end to it.

I'll take a hook as well.

Try harder, that's a bit desperate. Turns out 3 jabs later we are no further so it didn't speed anything up.

 

[SBT]

Yeah I said I'd take a jab from Joshua if it meant an end to it.

I'll take a hook as well.

Try harder, that's a bit desperate. Turns out 3 jabs later we are no further so it didn't speed anything up.

Huh? You said you wanted a vaccine shot when you were stuck in lockdown moaning about the gym being closed. Then you spent weeks moaning about how the vaccine rollout wasn’t fast enough:

Get on the phone to people who can make fridges / devices suitable and get one ordered for every chemist in advance. It was known months ago about the temperature stuff. Get all hands on deck.

Now you’ve pivoted to “Here’s this chart I found online that says the booster might make you catch Omicron - let’s all boo the nasty vaccine companies” Bit sad, really.

 

[SBAndy]

Yeah I said I'd take a jab from Joshua if it meant an end to it.

I'll take a hook as well.

Try harder, that's a bit desperate. Turns out 3 jabs later we are no further so it didn't speed anything up.

“No further”. Have a day off.