Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (13 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

Experts say Omicron variant is 'best thing' for pandemic

EXCLUSIVE: MailOnline analysis shows the UK's case fatality rate - the proportion of infections that end in a death - was dropping even before the Omciron variant took off in the country.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Would you believe

Would I believe the Mail? Not as a general rule tbh.

Interesting that 'experts say' equates to two professors from the University of East Anglia who, a quick google reveals, put their name to the Great Barrington Declaration and have been saying we should just 'let it rip' and have no restrictions or mitigations whatsoever since a few months after the pandemic started back in 2020 before we even had a vaccine.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Just like the fully vaccinated Liverpool squad. Wasn't long ago klopp was moaning about lower League teams and their protocols.

Least blaming everything on unvaccinated means those at the top aren't getting blamed.

How many of the Liverpool squad have symptoms?

 

[skybluetony176]

Just like the fully vaccinated Liverpool squad.

A) They’re not fully vaccinated.

B) You’re spectacularly missing the point. If everyone who can be vaccinated is vaccinated it wouldn’t matter if a team of young footballers, all vaccinated but half of them had asymptomatic covid played another team who were all vaccinated and likely to be asymptomatic if they were to catch it. The problem is “grown up” anti-vaxxers who are now amongst the most vulnerable by choice need protecting from themselves so unilaterally we have to take measures to protect them. It doesn’t matter if you’re 25 play elite sport, are super fit and fully vaccinated or if you’re over 50, overweight, diabetic and fully vaccinated. You’re both subject to controls and paying a price to protect what is now probably the most vulnerable group. Moronic anti-vaxxers.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Just like the fully vaccinated Liverpool squad. Wasn't long ago klopp was moaning about lower League teams and their protocols.

Least blaming everything on unvaccinated means those at the top aren't getting blamed.

It wouldn't matter if people were getting it and not getting ill as they're vaccinated (like the Liverpool squad) if there was no risk (ofr much less risk) of passing it on to someone that it could kill.

If we were all vaxxed there would be no reason the government could put forward to put new restrictions in.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It wouldn't matter if people were getting it and not getting ill as they're vaccinated (like the Liverpool squad) if there was no risk (ofr much less risk) of passing it on to someone that it could kill.

If we were all vaxxed there would be no reason the government could put forward to put new restrictions in.

As the case appears to be, Omicron is vaccinating everyone whether they want it or not.

 

[ccfc92]

Day 4, emergency alcohol delivery has saved the day. Nice to chat to someone new for 5 mins, the Asda delivery guy

Vodka seems to be working, still feeling like a mild cold.

 

[Nick]

It wouldn't matter if people were getting it and not getting ill as they're vaccinated (like the Liverpool squad) if there was no risk (ofr much less risk) of passing it on to someone that it could kill.

If we were all vaxxed there would be no reason the government could put forward to put new restrictions in.

How ill are people getting "from" omnicron though? The Liverpool squad still need to isolate etc.

Is it "much less" risk for transmission with omicron though?

 

[Saddlebrains]

As the case appears to be, Omicron is vaccinating everyone whether they want it or not.

Been saying this. Omicron is natures vaccine.


Cant say that on here though

 

[Nick]

As the case appears to be, Omicron is vaccinating everyone whether they want it or not.

Which is why I find it strange how countries can say 3 more will be needed?

What of omicron does the job? (It may be wishful thinking).

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Which is why I find it strange how countries can say 3 more will be needed?

What of omicron does the job? (It may be wishful thinking).

Omicron is probably infecting more like 250-300,000 a day. Add that on to everyone who's already jabbed up and we're building up a lot of immunity in the process. As ever though, depends how long it lasts

 

[CCFCSteve]

Been saying this. Omicron is natures vaccine.


Cant say that on here though

It could well be. There’s been some positive noises about it providing immunity against delta and possibly future variants….early days though. The fact is it can be still nasty for some if you get it without being fully jabbed. I’m guessing fully jabbed plus Omicron and you should be ok for a bit

 

[clint van damme]

actually some people would have been given 4 in the U.K. some people with immune issues would have been given a 3rd shot before the booster

They'll be the most vulnerable. Some of
them probably wouldn't have been around to have they're 4th without those first two jabs so fair play.

 

[Skybluefaz]

This is the real quiz

 

[clint van damme]

What’s the craic with the booster and getting in places then? I’ve got Covid right now and I’m absolutely wiped out by it. So I can’t have the booster for a while can I?

Sorry to hear that mate. Think you have to wait for your booster now.
I'll add you to the ever growing list of people I spoke to over Christmas that ended up with covid, fuck knows how I haven't caught it.

 

[clint van damme]

Been saying this. Omicron is natures vaccine.


Cant say that on here though

You just did

 

[chiefdave]

Been saying this. Omicron is natures vaccine.

Cant say that on here though

You absolutely can say that and most people would hope that was correct. What you can't do is jump from hoping that is the case to being so certain it is that all restrictions are removed.

There's still unknowns, and people keep forgetting that a reduction in hospitalisations is not the same as no hospitalisations. There is potential that despite Omicron being 'milder' the increase in transmission means hospitalisation overall. We're not yet at a point where we can confidently declare that to be the case. We can look to London but the demographics of London are significantly different to many other areas of the country.

We also have to consider other unknowns. For example we don't know how long any immunity from infection with Omicron lasts. Its no good relaying on Omicron as natures vaccine if in a few weeks time we're back to square one as immunity has waned.

 

[Nick]

You absolutely can say that and most people would hope that was correct. What you can't do is jump from hoping that is the case to being so certain it is that all restrictions are removed.

There's still unknowns, and people keep forgetting that a reduction in hospitalisations is not the same as no hospitalisations. There is potential that despite Omicron being 'milder' the increase in transmission means hospitalisation overall. We're not yet at a point where we can confidently declare that to be the case. We can look to London but the demographics of London are significantly different to many other areas of the country.

We also have to consider other unknowns. For example we don't know how long any immunity from infection with Omicron lasts. Its no good relaying on Omicron as natures vaccine if in a few weeks time we're back to square one as immunity has waned.

There is never going to be no hospitalisations, especially if it's counted they test positive on entry.

Surely you could say it's unknown about the boosters etc? No idea how it will be against omicron or whatever comes next.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Sorry to hear that mate. Think you have to wait for your booster now.
I'll add you to the ever growing list of people I spoke to over Christmas that ended up with covid, fuck knows how I haven't caught it.

I reckon some people are just naturally immune. How my other half didn't have it spending all of Christmas in a small flat with me who had it is a miracle.

 

[Liquid Gold]

There is never going to be no hospitalisations, especially if it's counted they test positive on entry.

Surely you could say it's unknown about the boosters etc? No idea how it will be against omicron or whatever comes next.

Of course we're not going to get to 0 deaths but it's surely sensible to check the data before letting it go through everyone. As we are there are fuck all restrictions really and it's not too and on hospitals so they haven't put anything else in. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

 

[Nick]

I reckon some people are just naturally immune. How my other half didn't have it spending all of Christmas in a small flat with me who had it is a miracle.

I don't want to tempt fate but I was the same with my daughter.

Then my mates go and get boosted and get in within a week.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Of course it’s the fault of the unvaccinated. We’re still having to take measures to protect the vulnerable and the most vulnerable is the unvaccinated. We’re pretty much at the point now where a moronic small number of the population is holding the sensible majority of the population hostage.

The most vulnerable are not the unvaccinated. That is the misconception, which I think in many ways is deliberate.

Sure, if you are 80, fat, and unvaccinated. But we have lost all perspective on this between demographics.

 

[Nick]

Pretty sure an unvaccinated 18 year old in good health is less vulnerable to covid then an obese 65 year old fully vaccinated.

Thinking somebody in otherwise bad health is no longer vulnerable because they had a jab is not going to work.

Obviously unvaccinated obese 65 year old more at risk ..

 

[skybluetony176]

Pretty sure an unvaccinated 18 year old in good health is less vulnerable to covid then an obese 65 year old fully vaccinated.

Thinking somebody in otherwise bad health is no longer vulnerable because they had a jab is not going to work.

Obviously unvaccinated obese 65 year old more at risk ..

 

[fernandopartridge]

Sorry to hear that mate. Think you have to wait for your booster now.
I'll add you to the ever growing list of people I spoke to over Christmas that ended up with covid, fuck knows how I haven't caught it.

You might be a super carrier

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Sorry to hear that mate. Think you have to wait for your booster now.
I'll add you to the ever growing list of people I spoke to over Christmas that ended up with covid, fuck knows how I haven't caught it.

Can't be the vaccine, Novak, I mean Earlsdon, said so.

 

[Grendel]

Can't be the vaccine, Novak, I mean Earlsdon, said so.

 

[Nick]

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What was incorrect?

 

[JAM See]

Sorry to hear that mate. Think you have to wait for your booster now.
I'll add you to the ever growing list of people I spoke to over Christmas that ended up with covid, fuck knows how I haven't caught it.

You might be a super carrier

Typhoid Clint !

 

[Grendel]

What was incorrect?

who knows?

18-Year-Old Dies From COVID-19 After Six-Month Battle in ICU

"He wanted people to get the vaccine so they wouldn't go through the same thing he went through," the teenager's brother said.

www.newsweek.com

 

[wingy]

How ill are people getting "from" omnicron though? The Liverpool squad still need to isolate etc.

Is it "much less" risk for transmission with omicron though?

No simple answer.

 

[Nick]

who knows?

18-Year-Old Dies From COVID-19 After Six-Month Battle in ICU

"He wanted people to get the vaccine so they wouldn't go through the same thing he went through," the teenager's brother said.

www.newsweek.com

Ok so any 18 year old who gets it unvaccinated will die?

Who's statistically more likely?

Big scrape there though.

 

[Grendel]

Ok so any 18 year old who gets it unvaccinated will die?

Who's statistically more likely?

I have no idea? Show me the stats and I’ll consider it

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

I don’t think you can get immune to it to be honest.
My Mrs had it in October and currently has it again.
She’s triple vaxxed but has still been rough both times. I’m struggling to see the point of vaccines, knowing two people who have had it and not been as ill as the mrs.
I’m still fully vaxxed myself as I’m erring on the side of caution, I currently have Covid but luckily not too rough with it.

 

[Nick]

I have no idea? Show me the stats and I’ll consider it

Oh I assumed your point was that it was an unvaccinated 18 year old judging by you looking for that link?

 

[skybluetony176]

What was incorrect?

For starters compare eggs with eggs. An unvaccinated 65 year old man equal in every other way to a vaccinated 65 year old man is more vulnerable. Comparing an unvaccinated healthy 16 year old to a vaccinated obese 65 year old man is quite frankly moronic and proves the square route of zilch. The only relevant comparison is the risk to the same person vaccinated or unvaccinated.