Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (6 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

Quite happy to admit I fall into that category and as said before I haven’t known a time where I wasn’t overweight.

At the same time, I’ve never smoked and rarely drink. There is some irony in telling the ‘fatties’ to stay inside and then telling them also to exercise more.

There's also a get fit, lose weight thread on here to help people. That's got to be better than coming up with some loose, tangential leap to justify preconceived wishes about a pandemic.

 

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[Marty]

Can you explain how locking away obese people would help the NHS?

64% of the population is overweight and its far from an equal spread among all demographics. Do you think it would help the NHS to lose a big percentage of their employees as they'd been 'locked away'?

Unlike covid positive people this wouldn't be them isolating for a few days, even if they have the will and ability to lose weight you'd be locking people down for months or years? Whose paying the benefits bill that covers that?

Obesity is a ticking time bomb though and will wreak havoc soon, it will absolutely decimate the NHS. Its something we've known for years that obesity not only effects quality of life short term, but has a detrimental effect long term with things like diabetes and cancers.

Granted its not the best of comparisons, but we've had 2 years of covid now and luckily we have a vaccine for those who wish/need to take it. But let's not brush under the carpet the plethora of issues being overweight and obese bring.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Like the 18 year old that Grendel posted who died. The brothers were massive prior to them getting Covid. Earlier access to the vaccine may have saved his life but not being obese at 18, and the knock on effects that has on the body, would have also significantly improved his chances of both surviving Covid as well as the plethora of health issues he would likely have had in later life without significant lifestyle changes.
We don't seem to be learning anything from this pandemic in terms of boosting natural health and immunity, it's all about the drugs. Loved the video that Nick posted promoting what you can do to help yourself but it barely got a reaction here and whenever obesity is mentioned it often gets glossed over, I suspect because it's a topic that people don't want to look in the mirror and face.

Not at all, I am sure I liked the video Nick posted and absolutely agree it would be better for the NHS if there were less obesity. Obviously better for myself too. It's the 'lock em all up' part I think is hilarious bollocks. Especially coming from someone who compared the differential treatment of unvaccinated people in Austria to the holocaust.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There's also a get fit, lose weight thread on here to help people. That's got to be better than coming up with some loose, tangential leap to justify preconceived wishes about a pandemic.

I can’t look at that thread out of guilt. But that’s for another day

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I can’t look at that thread out of guilt. But that’s for another day

Indeed. Got to be more productive than a spot of fat shaming to make people feel good about being ignorant, however.

 

[Grendel]

Obesity is a ticking time bomb though and will wreak havoc soon, it will absolutely decimate the NHS. Its something we've known for years that obesity not only effects quality of life short term, but has a detrimental effect long term with things like diabetes and cancers.

Granted its not the best of comparisons, but we've had 2 years of covid now and luckily we have a vaccine for those who wish/need to take it. But let's not brush under the carpet the plethora of issues being overweight and obese bring.

You aren’t within the space of a few weeks going to suddenly have 40,000 in hospital as they’ve ate too many doughnuts

 

[Nick]

You aren’t within the space of a few weeks going to suddenly have 40,000 in hospital as they’ve ate too many doughnuts

40,000 is about 2 weeks worth of hospital admissions where Obesity is involved, isn't it?

Seems like it's some sort of taboo to mention it.

Obviously don't lock obese people away, there should be more of a focus to get it sorted. That video is a good example.

 

[Grendel]

40,000 is about 2 weeks worth of hospital admissions where Obesity is involved, isn't it?

Seems like it's some sort of taboo to mention it.

Obviously don't lock obese people away, there should be more of a focus to get it sorted. That video is a good example.

No it’s not a YOY spike. It’s not a massive escalation and full up ICU units and ventilation

 

[Skybluefaz]

there should be more of a focus to get it sorted.

100% agree. What did we get last year? 2 for 1 dinners. Which I didn't actually take advantage of. I'd feel silly going out and eating 4 dinners.

 

[Esoterica]

Quite happy to admit I fall into that category and as said before I haven’t known a time where I wasn’t overweight.

At the same time, I’ve never smoked and rarely drink. There is some irony in telling the ‘fatties’ to stay inside and then telling them also to exercise more.

Exercise for losing weight is a complete myth anyway. It works in the very short term and exercising does have many health benefits, but losing weight is not one of them. It is all about what you eat (and when you eat). If you're doing that right and still not losing weight then your body is missing something e.g, Iodine deficiency is a massive factor in the ability to lose weight and WHO estimates around 2 billion people are.

 

[Nick]

No it’s not a YOY spike. It’s not a massive escalation and full up ICU units and ventilation

Yeah, the million admissions a year aren't clogging up the NHS.

That's even without GP appointments.

Let's witchhunt a 21 year old who hasn't had a jab though.

 

[clint van damme]

40,000 is about 2 weeks worth of hospital admissions where Obesity is involved, isn't it?

Seems like it's some sort of taboo to mention it.

Obviously don't lock obese people away, there should be more of a focus to get it sorted. That video is a good example.

No its not.
Cases where obesity is a direct cause of admission is about 11k a year.
Cases where it may be a factor are far higher.

That's where the ambiguity comes in. If you're a type one diabetic who's obese and you end up in hospital Id imagine it could be either or a combination of both.

 

[Sick Boy]

Exercise for losing weight is a complete myth anyway. It works in the very short term and exercising does have many health benefits, but losing weight is not one of them. It is all about what you eat (and when you eat). If you're doing that right and still not losing weight then your body is missing something e.g, Iodine deficiency is a massive factor in the ability to lose weight and WHO estimates around 2 billion people are.

And how much you drink of course - this too is a major contributor in the UK.

 

[Grendel]

No its not.
Cases where obesity is a direct cause of admission is about 11k a year.
Cases where it may be a factor are far higher.

That's where the ambiguity comes in. If you're a type one diabetic who's obese and you end up in hospital Id imagine it could be either or a combination of both.

The comparison is rubbish anyway and clearly it was never anywhere near 40,000

 

[Nick]

No its not.
Cases where obesity is a direct cause of admission is about 11k a year.
Cases where it may be a factor are far higher.

That's where the ambiguity comes in. If you're a type one diabetic who's obese and you end up in hospital Id imagine it could be either or a combination of both.

Which matches up with a COVID hospitalisation where that doesn't even have to be an actual factor?

 

[Nick]

The comparison is rubbish anyway and clearly it was never anywhere near 40,000

OK then.

 

[Grendel]

And how much you drink of course - this too is a major contributor in the UK.

The amount of hospital admissions for alcohol again in the uk isnt massive and it’s a totally unrelated issue to vaccines

 

[Nick]

And how much you drink of course - this too is a major contributor in the UK.

As long as Carol, 52, morbidly obese who drinks and smokes all day has been jabbed though.

Scrap that, let's go shout at people statistically much, much less likely to be hospitalised by COVID even though they aren't jabbed.

 

[Nick]

The amount of hospital admissions for alcohol again in the uk isnt massive and it’s a totally unrelated issue to vaccines

He was talking about alcohol and obesity, wasn't he?

 

[Grendel]

OK then.

Well it’s not 40,000 every two weeks is it and it’s rubbish to compare. The comparison would be if people who are in hospital through their own “fault” did not take a vaccine beforehand that would resolve their condition

 

[Sick Boy]

The amount of hospital admissions for alcohol again in the uk isnt massive and it’s a totally unrelated issue to vaccines

I’m talking about contributing to obesity/being overweight.

 

[Nick]

Well it’s not 40,000 every two weeks is it and it’s rubbish to compare. The comparison would be if people who are in hospital through their own “fault” did not take a vaccine beforehand that would resolve their condition

It's over a million a year.

I thought it was about protecting the NHS? Guess it only matters when it's COVID though and now Brexit is quietened down there needs to be a divide about something.

 

[clint van damme]

Which matches up with a COVID hospitalisation where that doesn't even have to be an actual factor?

Covid isn't a factor in covid hospitalisations?

 

[Nick]

Covid isn't a factor in covid hospitalisations?

Well not really with the stats, if they go in for something completely different and have no symptoms.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The amount of hospital admissions for alcohol again in the uk isnt massive and it’s a totally unrelated issue to vaccines

Eclairs and cheesecake don't cause fatness, it's all about the 5g. That 5g makes celery toxic too, and it's pretty significant how I saw a bloke on a bus once eating a carrot, and he then ballooned to 25 stone.

I'm going to go around ramming custard tarts down strangers' throats the next time I'm on a train, that'll show 'em.

 

[Grendel]

Well not really with the stats, if they go in for something completely different and have no symptoms.

Same with people in care homes I guess. If aunt Doris wasn’t in that home she’d never have Covid so it doesn’t count

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Same with people in care homes I guess. If aunt Doris wasn’t in that home she’d never have Covid so it doesn’t count

People die anyway Grendel, people die anyway.

 

[clint van damme]

Well not really with the stats, if they go in for something completely different and have no symptoms.

You're one rabbit hole away from calling the 150k dead bad faith actors

 

[Nick]

Same with people in care homes I guess. If aunt Doris wasn’t in that home she’d never have Covid so it doesn’t count

Oh if you want the stats like for like then it would be much more than a million.

I was just quoting where Obesity is part of the issue, a COVID hospitalisation isn't always where COVID is part of the issue.

To make it even, could do anybody admitted to hospital who is obese regardless of if it's related to their illness?

 

[Nick]

You're one rabbit hole away from calling the 150k dead bad faith actors

What are you on about?

A COVID hospitalisation just means they have it, not that they are in there because of the illness it causes.

 

[Nick]

Eclairs and cheesecake don't cause fatness, it's all about the 5g. That 5g makes celery toxic too, and it's pretty significant how I saw a bloke on a bus once eating a carrot, and he then ballooned to 25 stone.

I'm going to go around ramming custard tarts down strangers' throats the next time I'm on a train, that'll show 'em.

Obsessed with trains still?

Surely if triple jabbed and wearing a mask there's no worry about who else is on the train as you are fully protected anyway?

 

[Grendel]

People die anyway Grendel, people die anyway.

We should stop hospitals sending people who are I’ll or injured from going to hospital

- went one mile over the speed limit Mr Smith oh your leg must heal itself
- bowel cancer? Oh Mrs Jones you’ve ate above the recommended amount of red meat off you go
- I’m sorry Martin your concussion was caused by choosing to play rugby bye now

 

[Nick]

We should stop hospitals sending people who are I’ll or injured from going to hospital

- went one mile over the speed limit Mr Smith oh your leg must heal itself
- bowel cancer? Oh Mrs Jones you’ve ate above the recommended amount of red meat off you go
- I’m sorry Martin your concussion was caused by choosing to play rugby bye now

It's funny really, you don't even realise the irony.

As I said, people are only bothered when it's COVID and they can be either side of a divide to rant about.

It is quite funny when you have morbidly obese people (not on about here as we have no idea who is and who isn't) preaching about others being selfish.

 

[SBT]

Can’t wait for the 2024 fat bloke lockdown, with Earlsdon furiously copy and pasting calorie-count numbers he saw on Parler, and Nick rambling about people who died WITH obesity, not FROM obesity as he’s bundled into an unmarked van by the paramilitary Fat Squad for briefly overshooting his BMI.

 

[Marty]

Everyone's lost it past couple of pages.