Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (18 Viewers)

ajsccfc

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"I've looked at the data myself" he says to someone who's made it their life work.

The other classic line was someone who shuns medicine generally because they 'know their own body'
 

clint van damme

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"I've looked at the data myself" he says to someone who's made it their life work.

The other classic line was someone who shuns medicine generally because they 'know their own body'

What do these morons do if they have a problem with their car or their plumbing?
Do they ring a plumber or a mechanic or do they tweet Laurence Fox or James Melville for advice?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Why worry about people not getting the treatment they need and dying when you can instead withhold the funding required as leverage to try and trigger a leadership contest.

Give's ammunition against him next election. Whether people would listen to it...?
 

chiefdave

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One for those who claim a mask exemption as they can't breathe wandering around Asda with a mask on the players in the Canada v Russia ice hockey game at the Olympics wore masks while playing after a delay in receiving their covid test results.
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chiefdave

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In news that probably won't surprise a lot of people from all that money raised by Captain Tom for the NHS they've made 4 grants of £40K each a total of £160K.

They've also spent £162,336 on 'management' including £126,424 on 'fundraising consultancy fees'.
 

fernandopartridge

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In news that probably won't surprise a lot of people from all that money raised by Captain Tom for the NHS they've made 4 grants of £40K each a total of £160K.

They've also spent £162,336 on 'management' including £126,424 on 'fundraising consultancy fees'.

In fairness this is from the Captain Tom Foundation, which is separate from the funds raised as a result of him lapping the garden.

That said, the £160k is from donations in excess of £1m so is not very good. I had a look at the accounts and the charitable aims are rather wishy washy.
 

chiefdave

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In fairness this is from the Captain Tom Foundation, which is separate from the funds raised as a result of him lapping the garden.

That said, the £160k is from donations in excess of £1m so is not very good. I had a look at the accounts and the charitable aims are rather wishy washy.
I used to work for a company that dealt with a lot of charities and non-profits. Was a bit of an eye opener and made me a lot more careful about what I donate to.
 

shmmeee

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I used to work for a company that dealt with a lot of charities and non-profits. Was a bit of an eye opener and made me a lot more careful about what I donate to.

I had this moment working for a bank and seeing the money charity directors were on.
 

shmmeee

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Really interesting thread on what worked policy wise in the pandemic.



Nutshell is basically close to what @Evo1883 and others have said and I’d railed against which is: you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

Still, I’m a twat on a forum and not a government, but happy to hold my hands up here.
 

Kieranp96

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Sister tested + Sunday after seeing grandparents on Friday (tested negative before going) now my brother dad and my grandma all have COVID , grandma was real bad yesterday but wasn't testing + until today when she passed out this morning was rushed to hospital and tested + via a PCR test, no idea anything else as she is elderly (78) she has no ability to use her phone and we know how shit NHS are at keeping family updated.
 

fernandopartridge

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Sister tested + Sunday after seeing grandparents on Friday (tested negative before going) now my brother dad and my grandma all have COVID , grandma was real bad yesterday but wasn't testing + until today when she passed out this morning was rushed to hospital and tested + via a PCR test, no idea anything else as she is elderly (78) she has no ability to use her phone and we know how shit NHS are at keeping family updated.

Hope they're all ok.
 

Otis

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I don't think an ongoing legal obligation to self-isolate is reasonable for too much longer and agree that it should be dropped at some point in time. I'd probably wait until the spring though.
At least wait for the science. Seems a lot of scientists are saying they think it's too early now.
 

chiefdave

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I don't think an ongoing legal obligation to self-isolate is reasonable for too much longer and agree that it should be dropped at some point in time. I'd probably wait until the spring though.
There absolutely has to be a conversation about what living with covid means long term but given the comments from SAGE etc that conversation clearly hasn't taken place and Johnson is just trying to distract from the mess he's in.

IMO we need to look at sick pay and the attitude we have in general, not just with covid, of forcing people into work who are sick who then spread whatever they've got around. Early on in the pandemic the government were talking that post-covid we'd use the newly created testing capacity for things like flu (actual flu, not man flu) and encourage people with other contagious diseases to stay at home but that seems to have completely dropped off the radar.

Also if this is the level we are settling on as living with covid we're averaging over 200 deaths a day, that equates to well over 70K deaths a year which would take it above heart disease and dementia as the biggest killers in the UK. Don't we therefore then need a huge capacity increase in the NHS to accolade this?
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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I don't think an ongoing legal obligation to self-isolate is reasonable for too much longer and agree that it should be dropped at some point in time. I'd probably wait until the spring though.

Yep, agree totally....but Boris Lad can't afford to wait until Spring.

Also if this is the level we are settling on as living with covid we're averaging over 200 deaths a day, that equates to well over 70K deaths a year which would take it above heart disease and dementia as the biggest killers in the UK. Don't we therefore then need a huge capacity increase in the NHS to accolade this?

I don't think its about settling for it.....the levels of deaths now is surely from the tail-end of the exit wave we had in December/Jan.......and obviously it still depends on the definition of a "covid death" too, which is why excess death stats are a far better measure....

I think it was FP that posted the fact the deaths from ALL respiratory dlseases including covid were actually lower now than over the same set period in 3 of the last 5 years pre-covid? something like that anyhow.....

...and of course during the sping & summer months, the cases/hospitalisations/deaths will reduce dramitically as we've seen the previous 2 years....

I'd like to think its pretty much over.....

...but (dons foil hat) I'm still a little concerned that the Chinese appear to be the only nation not prepared to live with it and continue to pursue a zero covid approach.....its almost like they know something we don't....
 

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