Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (51 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

Italy numbers
Further decreases of those in intensive care
Deaths: 431
1677 recovered
1900 something new positive cases

 

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[Skybluefaz]

Do you only get them if you pose for a photo that will end up on said persons feed?

Possibly.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

At least you got one good day. We had thunder and lightening here last night but lovely today.

found a superb internet radio station so that helps with the inability to do anything- faultradio.com, highly recommended if you like that sort of music

 

[rob9872]

Gone above China in the recorded cases today, is there anyone out there who actually believes that to be true?

 

[clint van damme]

Gone above China in the recorded cases today, is there anyone out there who actually believes that to be true?

Are the Chinese figures true? In my opinion absolutely not.

 

[Ian1779]

Any way, I'll say no more but e mail transcripts from the report have started leaking on line.

This is my favourite so far....

 

[clint van damme]

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[CCFCSteve]

well look- I’m gonna be honest, I don’t really feel any joy in outing that particular piece of bullshit when the whole world is in a bloody mess- he’s got his views & told a porky but we’ve all done it, and that’s it. Time to move on, I was planning on no aggro today

I’m sure what grendel meant was that many people have been placed on furlough- that’s correct. But you can’t claim yet and the risk is that you may have lots of people furloughed then not be accepted, as we are seeing with the loans. And it will be thoroughly audited. Just a mistake and I’m actually boring myself even talking about it, so time for something else- where’s Coventrian when you need him

I’ve avoided the thread today (trying to go cold turkey !). Agree that the number of acceptances on the government backed loan scheme is poor/unacceptable (I honestly believe this is more an issue with the banks - I’m saying this from discussions and a little direct experience). I do however think there should’ve been a streamlined application process for loans just to cover payroll/salaries for businesses whilst the furlough scheme got up and running. One thing I’ll give the banks is that the sheer volume of applications, when most have reduced teams in recent years, together with them/business owners working at home (difficult to gather and submit all required info) will be causing a lot of delays. I think the British Business Bank have been trying to tweak and amend the scheme ‘live’ and lets hope a signifiant number of applications will be accepted in coming days/weeks as the current situations not reflecting well on anyone at the moment

In terms of the furlough scheme if they can get this up and running by the end of this month (as currently anticipated) then fair play. I cant see the government/Hmrc being overly aggressive with a majority of applications as you’ll end up with loads of insolvencies when the very reason why the scheme was set was to avoid this.

time will tell I guess

 

[clint van damme]

This is my favourite so far....

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Big challenge for him early in his tenure.
Seems the warring factions that caused Corbyn so much grief aren't going away.

 

[Astute]

He's had a productive 4 days but a suppressed report from yesterday was nothing to do with him?
You can't have it both the ways.
Any way, I'll say no more but e mail transcripts from the report have started leaking on line.
He's got a job on his hands with this. Watch this space. Either way, music to Tory ears.

As you finally agreed he didn't have a say to what happened. He didn't have a say to the ending. But he says he will chase it all up.

What more can he do? What chance has Labour got when Labour voters are having a go at their new leader before he even does or says anything wrong?

Is it because he doesn't lean to the left enough?

The last time Labour had a left leaning government was in the 70's. What we need is more left than Bliar.

 

[Astute]

Italy numbers
Further decreases of those in intensive care
Deaths: 431
1677 recovered
1900 something new positive cases

Great news. Not only are the deaths well down but hospital cases are also on their way down. This will give more scope to get on top of the situation.

 

[David O'Day]

Matt Hancock reassuring still shit

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[clint van damme]

As you finally agreed he didn't have a say to what happened. He didn't have a say to the ending. But he says he will chase it all up.

What more can he do? What chance has Labour got when Labour voters are having a go at their new leader before he even does or says anything wrong?

Is it because he doesn't lean to the left enough?

The last time Labour had a left leaning government was in the 70's. What we need is more left than Bliar.

You can't say he's had a productive 4 days and then say he wasn't responsible for something that happened yesterday.

I would also say that if any of this leads back to him he's dead in the water.

For now he should be going in hard on the government. Lots of easy targets. Get fucking stuck in

Corbyn tried the gentleman politician, civil discourse route. It didnt work. He needs to get the gloves off.

 

[rondog1973]

He has a point though, I might show this forum to my legal team, see if I can make a claim on any of you lot for mental distress

Are fish and chip shops still opening in cov?

Moby Dick was still open as of about 5 days ago, ain't been past since.

 

[Ian1779]

As you finally agreed he didn't have a say to what happened. He didn't have a say to the ending. But he says he will chase it all up.

What more can he do? What chance has Labour got when Labour voters are having a go at their new leader before he even does or says anything wrong?

Is it because he doesn't lean to the left enough?

The last time Labour had a left leaning government was in the 70's. What we need is more left than Bliar.

I tell you what he can do. He can read that leaked report and every person that actively tried to undermine the leadership should be expelled from the party - no exception.

 

[clint van damme]

I tell you what he can do. He can read that leaked report and every person that actively tried to undermine the leadership should be expelled from the party - no exception.

You sure he wasn't one?

 

[Astute]

You can't say he's had a productive 4 days and then say he wasn't responsible for something that happened yesterday.

I would also say that if any of this leads back to him he's dead in the water.

For now he should be going in hard on the government. Lots of easy targets. Get fucking stuck in

Corbyn tried the gentleman politician, civil discourse route. It didnt work. He needs to get the gloves off.

News that was released yesterday.

He has been in contact with them. Wants it all to be up and running on 21st April. Wants answers. Wants to know what the long term Tory plans are on getting us back to normal.

We need to give him a chance. If he fails then have a go. But he has a bloody hard job ahead. He has taken over a party that has just had one of their worse GE results ever. Party infighting. Constant racism rows. A lack of direction isn't the worse thing he has to change.

 

[Astute]

I tell you what he can do. He can read that leaked report and every person that actively tried to undermine the leadership should be expelled from the party - no exception.

He has said he will be looking into it. Look at the earlier link that got ignored by everyone.

 

[clint van damme]

News that was released yesterday.

He has been in contact with them. Wants it all to be up and running on 21st April. Wants answers. Wants to know what the long term Tory plans are on getting us back to normal.

We need to give him a chance. If he fails then have a go. But he has a bloody hard job ahead. He has taken over a party that has just had one of their worse GE results ever. Party infighting. Constant racism rows. A lack of direction isn't the worse thing he has to change.

The report wasn't released yesterday. He'll know exactly what's in it.
And he's tip toeing around the government. He needs to be putting the boot in. Learn by Corbyns mistakes.
And if there is some blow back from this report if he's gone in hard on the Tories people might just give him some leeway

 

[Astute]

You sure he wasn't one?

You don't like him do you.

 

[clint van damme]

You don't like him do you.

There's nothing to suggest he was involved. And nothing to suggest he wasn't. Let's see.

 

[Ian1779]

You sure he wasn't one?

Don’t think so. He did quit as part of the coup of 2016 but I think he’s generally been a little classier than others.

 

[clint van damme]

Don’t think so. He did quit as part of the coup of 2016 but I think he’s generally been a little classier than others.

Imagine finding out that Adi Viveash was gutted we were top of the league and was actively working against us getting promoted so Robins lost his job.

 

[Astute]

You sure he wasn't one?

The link somehow ignored by everyone that NW put up

Sir Keir Starmer did more on anti-Semitism in 'four days' than Jeremy Corbyn, claim Jewish leaders

Starmer not doing anything?

Coronavirus: New Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer demands 'urgent talks' on parliament's return

And it is supposed to be me who is anti Labour

 

[clint van damme]

The link somehow ignored by everyone that NW put up

Sir Keir Starmer did more on anti-Semitism in 'four days' than Jeremy Corbyn, claim Jewish leaders

Starmer not doing anything?

Coronavirus: New Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer demands 'urgent talks' on parliament's return

And it is supposed to be me who is anti Labour

Demanding parliament returns during a crisis- hardly radical.
He should have gone in hard and Hancock and Patel. Shoe on the other foot they would.

 

[Astute]

There's nothing to suggest he was involved. And nothing to suggest he wasn't. Let's see.

But you keep having a go at him when nothing suggests he has done anything wrong. And then you have a go at him for not doing anything in the last 4 days when he has.

As I keep saying we should give him a chance. If he fails then have a go.

 

[skybluetony176]

Moby Dick was still open as of about 5 days ago, ain't been past since.

Stop whaling on about it.

 

[clint van damme]

But you keep having a go at him when nothing suggests he has done anything wrong. And then you have a go at him for not doing anything in the last 4 days when he has.

As I keep saying we should give him a chance. If he fails then have a go.

Getting smoke blown up his arse by certain elements within the Jewish community who would do the same to anyone that wasn't Corbyn doesn't impress me.
And I'm not saying the report reveals any dirt on him (Ian is fairly sure it doesnt).

I am giving him a chance, but I'm saying what I think he needs to do, certainly to win me around.

You can't say you were right all along about Corbyn being ineffectual and then be happy with Starmers powder puff start..

 

[Astute]

Demanding parliament returns during a crisis- hardly radical.
He should have gone in hard and Hancock and Patel. Shoe on the other foot they would.

You certainly do have a problem with him.

Go in hard when they reconvene. Don't give away points so answers can be prepared.

Is your problem with him that he didn't see Corbyn as the person to lead Labour? As I expect you remember I have wanted Starmer in for a few years. Hopefully he will be another John Smith and make us electable again.

Who would you have preferred to Starmer to lead Labour?

 

[Astute]

Getting smoke blown up his arse by certain elements within the Jewish community who would do the same to anyone that wasn't Corbyn doesn't impress me.
And I'm not saying the report reveals any dirt on him (Ian is fairly sure it doesnt).

I am giving him a chance, but I'm saying what I think he needs to do, certainly to win me around.

You can't say you were right all along about Corbyn being ineffectual and then be happy with Starmers powder puff start..

Powder puff start?

Wasting my time here as usual. What about the links I put up?

 

[clint van damme]

You certainly do have a problem with him.

Go in hard when they reconvene. Don't give away points so answers can be prepared.

Is your problem with him that he didn't see Corbyn as the person to lead Labour? As I expect you remember I have wanted Starmer in for a few years. Hopefully he will be another John Smith and make us electable again.

Who would you have preferred to Starmer to lead Labour?

There was no one but Starmer which is a sad indictment not just on Labour but British politics in general.

As I said in another post, Corbyn tried the civil discourse route, it flopped.
Time for gloves off. He'll win doubters round more with that approach.

 

[clint van damme]

Powder puff start?

Wasting my time here as usual. What about the links I put up?

The links have nothing to do with calling the Tories to task.
He should have gone in hard on Hancock - how dare he question our NHS heroes etc. Go for the jugular. Shoe on other foot they would.

 

[Grendel]

It is definitely the case that the govt will review claims.

no it isn’t

 

[Grendel]

Well thats fair enough, however what I can and am telling you is that HMRC will be using "every tool in their arsenal" to audit and check somewhere down the line. And those boys have some pretty serious tools in their box, speaking from bitter experience they use GCHQ to get hold of any emails they like and you'd never know it was happening (that was a much more serious issue than furlough tbf, but you don't fuck with HMRC!)

Rubbish again

 

[clint van damme]

no it isn’t

I hope not. I'm sat drinking the proceeds as we speak.