David O'Day
Well-Known Member
No deal is as good as the deal we currently have.
No deal is as good as the deal we currently have.Yeah it should, hopefully we can get a great deal too
GrendelWhat’s your mum’s username
Your mother is short and argumentative?Grendel
It isn't brave, it is snide. What a c**t he is, NHS worship would be greater still if they wrongly administered drugs to him causing a painful deathWell this is brave if nothing else
I see, he's one of those 'consultants' that society puts on a pedestal. Scary thing is that because they get paid ridiculous money, people like him are probably getting the full whack of £2.5k a month and they're spending their time chatting shit about, in their eyes, NHS scum. The irony is that such people rely on the existence of problems in the NHS to actually justify their existence. It's why I disagree with the 80% of wages furlough policy as opposed to a flat rate/basic income - we're rewarding these people more for doing the same job (i.e. nothing) while the economy is down.Well this is brave if nothing else
Also seems to be plenty of replies agreeing with him.I see, he's one of those 'consultants' that society puts on a pedestal. Scary thing is that because they get paid ridiculous money, people like him are probably getting the full whack of £2.5k a month and they're spending their time chatting shit about, in their eyes, NHS scum.
I see, he's one of those 'consultants' that society puts on a pedestal. Scary thing is that because they get paid ridiculous money, people like him are probably getting the full whack of £2.5k a month and they're spending their time chatting shit about, in their eyes, NHS scum. The irony is that such people rely on the existence of problems in the NHS to actually justify their existence. It's why I disagree with the 80% of wages furlough policy as opposed to a flat rate/basic income - we're rewarding these people more for doing the same job (i.e. nothing) while the economy is down.
The Telegraph is full of people like him, it’s full of “experts”. The way that so much death is being normalised is repugnant
Surely the medical experts should decide the frequency for changing PPE - not a bloody Health Minister.
But yet apparently all the PPE is in place, is ‘ineffective’ anyway and there’s nothing to apologise for
He's been a weird poor mans toby young for ages now.It isn't brave, it is snide. What a c**t he is, NHS worship would be greater still if they wrongly administered drugs to him causing a painful death
There’s never a shortage of twats.Also seems to be plenty of replies agreeing with him.
I thought that was satire at first.
Sounds like Fauci’s time is coming to an end Trump retweets #FireFauci hashtag as he hits back at the head of the CDC | Daily Mail OnlineTrump coming in for more criticism. Direct from Anthony Fauci this time. Fauci confirms NY Times report Trump rebuffed social distancing advice
Going to be interesting to see how spain does now it’s starting to loosen some restrictions
Fernando I don't have to read articles to know what one day of not social distancing can do, I'm appauled at how people went to pubs, relatives houses, walks in the countryside with other etc. the weekend when they were told to stay indoors. But it's whatiffery mate to suggest Labour would have initially done it differently. Speaking as a ife long red I'm more interested in stopping this thing before colleagues are put at risk or relatives die, rather than playing the blame game.I highly doubt Labour would have pursued the herd immunity strategy which lost days. Maybe you shouldlook up some articles into the impact of even just one less day of social distancing. The Tories let this into the community and then let it spread.
The panel of experts oddly gave great weight to the nudge unit, so it wasn't necessarily epidemiologists giving all of this advice, it was a balance of expert opinion arranged to support herd immunity.
Looks like they’ll still be more locked down than us. Just some factory workers and other jobs going in, lockdown still in place generally.
Anyone got any data on how many people are still working in each country? I get the impression a fair few still are here but it’s hard to tell beyond anecdotes.
Fernando I don't have to read articles to know what one day of not social distancing can do, I'm appauled at how people went to pubs, relatives houses, walks in the countryside with other etc. the weekend when they were told to stay indoors. But it's whatiffery mate to suggest Labour would have initially done it differently. Speaking as a ife long red I'm more interested in stopping this thing before colleagues are put at risk or relatives die, rather than playing the blame game.
The situation in the UK is more of a restriction of movement rather than an actual lockdown, IMO.Sorry this is naive. It buys into this myth that there is only one “scientific advice” and governments have no agency, which is nonsense.
The government response came as much from liberal ideology and contrarianism built into the heart of Johnson’s government as much as any medical advice. It’s pure deflection to claim it wouldn’t have been different with a different government. Even a different Tory government would’ve handled it differently.
It was widely reported that Johnson was anti lockdown, no other PM wouldn’t been making childish brags about seeing their mum or shaking hands with patients. And no left wing government would’ve had the right wing contrarian press giving support either.
It’s not political point scoring to point out how a government elected for its hot takes and contrarianism and lack of belief in facts and science took this attitude into a pandemic with potentially disastrous consequences.
We’ll see where we are in a year truth be told. There’s a chance the soft lockdown will result in no more deaths long run and a better economy, but it doesn’t look good so far.
Shmmeee, I'm all for having debriefs after the fact to see what went wrong, where things can improve, and hold people to account if they broke rules, acted against advice , or ignored them for the wrong reasons. Hillsborough, Grenfield Tower, the 7/7 bombings - all a failure to act on intelligences or dynamically to a situation.Sorry this is naive. It buys into this myth that there is only one “scientific advice” and governments have no agency, which is nonsense.
The government response came as much from liberal ideology and contrarianism built into the heart of Johnson’s government as much as any medical advice. It’s pure deflection to claim it wouldn’t have been different with a different government. Even a different Tory government would’ve handled it differently.
It was widely reported that Johnson was anti lockdown, no other PM wouldn’t been making childish brags about seeing their mum or shaking hands with patients. And no left wing government would’ve had the right wing contrarian press giving support either.
It’s not political point scoring to point out how a government elected for its hot takes and contrarianism and lack of belief in facts and science took this attitude into a pandemic with potentially disastrous consequences.
We’ll see where we are in a year truth be told. There’s a chance the soft lockdown will result in no more deaths long run and a better economy, but it doesn’t look good so far.
Should they only be able to eat British foods like chicken tikka massala now?
Oh dear
The narrative is being set now though, the public won't demand an inquiry because they'll not see the reason for it due to said narrativeDespite being pretty lefty, I do have a lot of sympathy for the liberty argument too - I can fully understand why a democratic government would be nervous about in effect putting it's citizens under house arrest, and nervous about the social implications.
As Reg says however, the time to debrief is after all this. Even if decisions were wrong with the benefit of hindsight, the question is more how they were reached and if that was appropriate, than an absolute number count.
It's only like any market in any of the far east, nothing in what I saw of that clip was alarming
Oh dear
You might be right. Tbh the public have been seeing what they want to for a while though, regardless of this. No sign that's likely to change.The narrative is being set now though, the public won't demand an inquiry because they'll not see the reason for it due to said narrative
Yeah dom is not sure what he is looking atIt's only like any market in any of the far east, nothing in what I saw of that clip was alarming
Parliament will be virtually sitting so the government will have to answer questions now.The narrative is being set now though, the public won't demand an inquiry because they'll not see the reason for it due to said narrative
Bolloocks.Despite being pretty lefty, I do have a lot of sympathy for the liberty argument too - I can fully understand why a democratic government would be nervous about in effect putting it's citizens under house arrest, and nervous about the social implications.
As Reg says however, the time to debrief is after all this. Even if decisions were wrong with the benefit of hindsight, the question is more how they were reached and if that was appropriate, than an absolute number count.
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