Going to be interesting to see how spain does now it’s starting to loosen some restrictions
Fernando I don't have to read articles to know what one day of not social distancing can do, I'm appauled at how people went to pubs, relatives houses, walks in the countryside with other etc. the weekend when they were told to stay indoors. But it's whatiffery mate to suggest Labour would have initially done it differently. Speaking as a ife long red I'm more interested in stopping this thing before colleagues are put at risk or relatives die, rather than playing the blame game.I highly doubt Labour would have pursued the herd immunity strategy which lost days. Maybe you shouldlook up some articles into the impact of even just one less day of social distancing. The Tories let this into the community and then let it spread.
The panel of experts oddly gave great weight to the nudge unit, so it wasn't necessarily epidemiologists giving all of this advice, it was a balance of expert opinion arranged to support herd immunity.
Looks like they’ll still be more locked down than us. Just some factory workers and other jobs going in, lockdown still in place generally.
Anyone got any data on how many people are still working in each country? I get the impression a fair few still are here but it’s hard to tell beyond anecdotes.
Fernando I don't have to read articles to know what one day of not social distancing can do, I'm appauled at how people went to pubs, relatives houses, walks in the countryside with other etc. the weekend when they were told to stay indoors. But it's whatiffery mate to suggest Labour would have initially done it differently. Speaking as a ife long red I'm more interested in stopping this thing before colleagues are put at risk or relatives die, rather than playing the blame game.
The situation in the UK is more of a restriction of movement rather than an actual lockdown, IMO.Sorry this is naive. It buys into this myth that there is only one “scientific advice” and governments have no agency, which is nonsense.
The government response came as much from liberal ideology and contrarianism built into the heart of Johnson’s government as much as any medical advice. It’s pure deflection to claim it wouldn’t have been different with a different government. Even a different Tory government would’ve handled it differently.
It was widely reported that Johnson was anti lockdown, no other PM wouldn’t been making childish brags about seeing their mum or shaking hands with patients. And no left wing government would’ve had the right wing contrarian press giving support either.
It’s not political point scoring to point out how a government elected for its hot takes and contrarianism and lack of belief in facts and science took this attitude into a pandemic with potentially disastrous consequences.
We’ll see where we are in a year truth be told. There’s a chance the soft lockdown will result in no more deaths long run and a better economy, but it doesn’t look good so far.
Shmmeee, I'm all for having debriefs after the fact to see what went wrong, where things can improve, and hold people to account if they broke rules, acted against advice , or ignored them for the wrong reasons. Hillsborough, Grenfield Tower, the 7/7 bombings - all a failure to act on intelligences or dynamically to a situation.Sorry this is naive. It buys into this myth that there is only one “scientific advice” and governments have no agency, which is nonsense.
The government response came as much from liberal ideology and contrarianism built into the heart of Johnson’s government as much as any medical advice. It’s pure deflection to claim it wouldn’t have been different with a different government. Even a different Tory government would’ve handled it differently.
It was widely reported that Johnson was anti lockdown, no other PM wouldn’t been making childish brags about seeing their mum or shaking hands with patients. And no left wing government would’ve had the right wing contrarian press giving support either.
It’s not political point scoring to point out how a government elected for its hot takes and contrarianism and lack of belief in facts and science took this attitude into a pandemic with potentially disastrous consequences.
We’ll see where we are in a year truth be told. There’s a chance the soft lockdown will result in no more deaths long run and a better economy, but it doesn’t look good so far.
Should they only be able to eat British foods like chicken tikka massala now?
Oh dear
The narrative is being set now though, the public won't demand an inquiry because they'll not see the reason for it due to said narrativeDespite being pretty lefty, I do have a lot of sympathy for the liberty argument too - I can fully understand why a democratic government would be nervous about in effect putting it's citizens under house arrest, and nervous about the social implications.
As Reg says however, the time to debrief is after all this. Even if decisions were wrong with the benefit of hindsight, the question is more how they were reached and if that was appropriate, than an absolute number count.
It's only like any market in any of the far east, nothing in what I saw of that clip was alarming
Oh dear
You might be right. Tbh the public have been seeing what they want to for a while though, regardless of this. No sign that's likely to change.The narrative is being set now though, the public won't demand an inquiry because they'll not see the reason for it due to said narrative
Yeah dom is not sure what he is looking atIt's only like any market in any of the far east, nothing in what I saw of that clip was alarming
Parliament will be virtually sitting so the government will have to answer questions now.The narrative is being set now though, the public won't demand an inquiry because they'll not see the reason for it due to said narrative
Bolloocks.Despite being pretty lefty, I do have a lot of sympathy for the liberty argument too - I can fully understand why a democratic government would be nervous about in effect putting it's citizens under house arrest, and nervous about the social implications.
As Reg says however, the time to debrief is after all this. Even if decisions were wrong with the benefit of hindsight, the question is more how they were reached and if that was appropriate, than an absolute number count.
Bolloocks.
You only have to look at Grenfell and Windrush to see the watering down a delay brings.
They've been spinning instead of honest.
See the sun have spoken to 2 experts on how long the lockdown should last....
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Yep....very qualified to talk about the epidemiology of a global pandemic....I saw that, Toby Young is one of the ‘experts’ isn’t he, the self proclaimed eugenics guru.
Bolloocks.
You only have to look at Grenfell and Windrush to see the watering down a delay brings.
They've been spinning instead of honest.
That’s an interesting way to spell c*nt...I saw that, Toby Young is one of the ‘experts’ isn’t he, the self proclaimed eugenics guru.
Despite being pretty lefty, I do have a lot of sympathy for the liberty argument too - I can fully understand why a democratic government would be nervous about in effect putting it's citizens under house arrest, and nervous about the social implications.
As Reg says however, the time to debrief is after all this. Even if decisions were wrong with the benefit of hindsight, the question is more how they were reached and if that was appropriate, than an absolute number count.
Far too sensible you need to froth and find some right wing twitter accounts and reflect that back on every member of society who doesn’t agree with a tiny number of people on here
Toby Young gets his figures wrong. No one said 30 to 50 percent of people have been infected Patrick Vallance said 30 to 50 ov cases my be asymptomatic
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Universal CreditGot your furlough money through yet?
And Priti Awfuls bullying claims...Don't forget the Russia report.
Chips. No wait...Should they only be able to eat British foods like chicken tikka massala now?
What what? What Russia report. Nothing to see here. Ooo, look over there.Don't forget the Russia report.
Foreign muckChips. No wait...
...they’re Belgium.
Got your furlough money through yet?
Universal Credit
Apparently it’s a loan, it relies on cash flow to qualify, it’s got vague rules and the government is going to introduce new rules for auditing
Actually no it’s fine
He didn't ask that. He asked if you'd had the money through yet, which by your failure to address the question is......no, you haven't.
Although I expect you'll be the first to receive it as you've been given special access to apply before the system is even fully set-up.
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