shmmeee
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We don’t have fewer deaths, France counts care homes and we don’t. On an even measure we’re ahead of them.
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We don’t have fewer deaths, France counts care homes and we don’t. On an even measure we’re ahead of them.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Yes, I've just read that they've included care home figures....BUT only since 5th April...but they do have thousands more critical cases in hospitals & less testing....so in order to not split any more hairs, lets agree both countries are not doing a very good job
shmmeee
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I still think it’s far too early to rank countries TBF. Lots of analysis to be done once it’s all over and extra waves are done.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Oh agree totally.....I was just backing Maccas claim that a better comparison for the UK would be France as opposed to Ireland
jimmyhillsfanclub
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I just got it from the site below wingy.....France over 6.5K vs. UK at around 1.5K critical cases
Coronavirus Update (Live): 2,008,251 Cases and 127,168 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
SkyBlueCharlie9
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The article explains the reasons why UK and Ireland are very similar - islands, similar underfunded NHS funding systems similar ICU spaces etc.
Ring Of Steel
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One big difference is testing, Ireland doing much more of it, also deaths include at home and in care homes. I didn’t realise that the comparison was so big in terms of the impact.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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I read it a couple days ago....it makes some very valid points.....but France is still a far better comparison IMHO.
Astute
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The big difference is the cases and deaths have started reducing in France. And Macron has admitted that they could have handled the situation much better. Can you see Boris making such an admission? We are still not being strict enough.
fernandopartridge
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The UK doesn't keep the list of critical cases up to date, that will be a snapshot from a date recently. It was 163 for quite a while so had increased nearly 10 fold.
Grendel
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He made the admission as before this virus his popularity was through the floor - let’s not kid ourselves here this virus and the ensuing all in together spirit is helping save his neck
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Yeah. Have you seen the amount of barbers down FGS? That's a lot of men needing a haircut in such a small area.....
Astute
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Are you saying Macron has admitted that they could have handled the situation much better so people will suddenly like him?
And is it an admission that the Tories are not being truthful to us because they have a big lead?
Macron is a lot better than your beloved Boris. He has been saying it how it is. He has shown compassion. He gives regular updates on what they are doing. He says how it is and not what everyone wants to hear. If he doesn't have up to date information he rearranges the update and says when it will be. They are even looking at how to help our expats.
Would you like to compare this to the Tories? I fancy reading a fairy tale.
shmmeee
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My barber was complaining about this. People coming in with no skills because it’s easy to claim on immigration you’re a hairdresser apparently. Though he can be a bit Brexity so take that with a pinch of salt.
Astute
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Maybe it isn't such a small area that needs trimming as they get more than the hair on their head trimmed.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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But,but..... G said the furlough scheme was absolutely crystal clear in the guidelines and couldn't/wouldn't be changed.....
Astute
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I want G for our next PM. Otherwise we will struggle to find a replacement for Boris.
rondog1973
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Tory constituency and surrounds impacted by flooding require economic shot in the arm.
Not a political motive for proceeding with the festival, no way....
Hehe.
Money launderers?
clint van damme
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My employer changing things to suit isn't unheard of but I checked with the union and they said there have been some alterations to the guidelines
Still think they'll be some infringements by my employer before it's all over
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Fair enough FP, I don't doubt it.
Thats all we've got really isn't it?...snapshots with a varying degree of lag.....I even warned about the veracity of all the figures myself on a post a few days ago....yet here I am, referring to them....doh!
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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We're still a long way off the target for testing too - not even close to the original target of 25k per day let alone 100k. Why after this long is testing still at low levels?
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Vape shops are the go-to start-up for washing cash in Liverpool...allegedly. Used to be sunbed salons.....allegedly.
fernandopartridge
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In fairness to Grendel this looks like clint's employer changing their mind, not the scheme changing.
tisza
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Did the Irish not travel to Cheltenham this year?
My experiences of Cheltenham (work and play) were of huge numbers coming over for the Festival.
fernandopartridge
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I know, basically all we have our cumulative totals really, they give a broad indication of the acceleration of infection and deaths, but that's it. They don't give any real indication of where people lived as the data is all from hospitals
Fair play JHFC, that's why I made the query .
Think that number has been the same for over a week.
afraid going to come across a bit negative toward our own. Country or even Gov't.
However I've made the point before.ay how tardy our nation seems to be comparison to other countries with our point's of data gathering and implementation of rescue flights etc
I can't help wonder if our minimalist or outsourcing of back office Gov't operations have hindered us ,?
fernandopartridge
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Yes they did, I've seen anecdotal reports of people returning to ireland and then showing symptoms of the virus. It may have been mentioned further up this thread.
clint van damme
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it looks like the guidelines have changed but I'd imagine it's in response to pressure from Employers. The original guidelines did seem a bit restrictive.
There's a bit more flexibility now which makes sense.
It was certainly a bit busier than I thought it would be on the way in this morning though still a long way off what it would be on a normal working day.
Brighton Sky Blue
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What’s indisputable is that Biden is in major cognitive decline if not worse. There are allegations of sexual assault as well which need investigating but based on how he behaves in public it’s not unbelievable. That and with Biden doing even worse on voter enthusiasm than Hillary I think the orange man would need this disease to kill millions for him to lose
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I agree. Can't believe Biden is going to be the opposition - what on earth happened to see him jump in the ratings so quickly? There was part of me wondering if it was Rep's voting to choose a weaker candidate. Trump will tear him apart in debates. I really can't see Trump losing to him.
Sky_Blue_Daz
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Liam Gallagher is putting on a free concert for nhs workers at the 02 in October my wife managed to get 4 tickets
Brighton Sky Blue
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In essence
1. Bernie Sanders’ strategy was to guarantee 30-40% of the vote in each state because the field was crowded-he does this by focussing on the under 45 and Hispanic vote
2. This worked well for the first 3 states and the media looked resigned to him winning with Biden in 4th. Then Biden won the fourth state on the back of enormous elderly African American support (despite him vouching for segregation in the past).
3. Off the back of that the Democratic establishment decided to coalesce around Biden and persuaded all of the other centrist candidates to drop out and endorse Biden ahead of March 3rd when a huge number of contests were held. The other progressive candidate was persuaded to stay in. Keep in mind that Biden had zero campaign presence in these states and had done little or no adverts
4. March 3rd saw Biden mop the floor with the support gained from all the other centrist candidates. Bernie got his 30-40% in a lot of places but got overwhelmed by the high boomer turnout for Biden. The progressive candidate Warren appears to have helped Biden win a few of the north eastern states too. She then drops out making it a two horse race
5. Bernie spends a week calling Biden his friend and saying that he could beat Trump as well. He proceeds to lose heavily on March 10th and the race is basically over though notably he still gets that solid 35% from the under 45s.
It’s a combination of the Democratic higher ups and poor strategy from Bernie, but if there hadn’t been that forced coalescing near March 3rd it is very likely he would have won