Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (37 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

Because he threatened Tom with violence and as he’s supposed to be left wing you ignore his threats of violence?

I'm not intersted if he threatens Tom or not. Nothing to do with me.

I haven't seen it myself though I'm not saying it never happened

 

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[clint van damme]

You're just a bit precious about him aren't you. Anyway we're going in circles, I have little interest in this Labour Party support thread anymore.

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Well don't post on it then you cretin

 

[TomRad85]

Well don't post on it then you cretin

I'll post when I want and will drop off when i want. You getting angry and insulting me won't dictate that.

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[PVA]

This has been ignored to death already today.

Apologies, haven't read much of the thread today.

Not surprising though.

They literally cannot do any wrong in the eyes of some, pathetic.

 

[TomRad85]

Because he threatened Tom with violence and as he’s supposed to be left wing you ignore his threats of violence?

He'd be banned if he wasn't part of the clique.

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[Deleted member 5849]

He'd be banned if he wasn't part of the clique.

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tbf, I've never really thought of Nick as a lefty!

 

[clint van damme]

I'll post when I want and will drop off when i want. You getting angry and insulting me won't dictate that.

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Ok. So you're 'little interest in this Labour thread any more' diatribe was just more of your look at me bollocks. Noted.

And trust me, I don't get angry at you. You're posts lack the neccessary substance to make me angry.

 

[clint van damme]

He'd be banned if he wasn't part of the clique.

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You think Nick is part of a political clique?
Fuck me.

 

[PVA]

More good stuff from Boris.

He won't, of course, especially after contracting the virus himself, but I really hope he has to face the music at the end of this.

 

[clint van damme]

tbf, I've never really thought of Nick as a lefty!

Or righty, or in the middley

 

[TomRad85]

Ok. So you're 'little interest in this Labour thread any more' diatribe was just more of your look at me bollocks. Noted.

And trust me, I don't get angry at you. You're posts lack the neccessary substance to make me angry.

It's funny because you seem very angry, and no I have very little interest in it but you were still chatting at me, so I responded. If that's ok?

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[shmmeee]

Fucking hell, it's like a load of subhuman Harry Enfield loadsamoney parodies have invaded the board.

 

[clint van damme]

It's funny because you seem very angry, and no I have very little interest in it but you were still chatting at me, so I responded. If that's ok?

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Do what you want.

 

[Astute]

You’ve been droning on for years how you are a labour man who hates Blair and Brown and wants someone left wing to follow. Then you don’t vote Corbyn as he’s left wing. Your first name is really Oxy isn’t it and your surname is very apt

I don't hate anyone. Not even idiotic people like yourself. I just feel pity for you.

My dislike of Bliar and Brown for going to war on a lie and being more like Tories are well known. They did many good things but also caused a lot of harm like the Tories always do. And even you know this.

Corbyn? Do you think he did well then?

But well done. You got the attention you crave.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

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Coventrian looks pretty hot but I wish G would put his chest hair away

 

[shmmeee]

Apologies, haven't read much of the thread today.

Not surprising though.

They literally cannot do any wrong in the eyes of some, pathetic.

Its rally round the flag effect. Aside from a few exceptions most leaders have had a poll boost, people don’t want to think someone shit is in charge during a crisis.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don't hate anyone. Not even idiotic people like yourself. I just feel pity for you.

My dislike of Bliar and Brown for going to war on a lie and being more like Tories are well known. They did many good things but also caused a lot of harm like the Tories always do. And even you know this.

Corbyn? Do you think he did well then?

But well done. You got the attention you crave.

Ignore him he fries his brain here and on Twitter all day every day

 

[CCFCSteve]

According to twitter Boris spent part of the day walking the grounds at Chequers, its a shame they clearly have no computers, cameras or WiFi and so he’s totally unable to speak to the country.

I don’t see any way at this stage that people can’t see he’s hiding. Biggest indictment though is that I don’t see too many people missing him.

what happened to Cummings, did he come down with it in the end as well?

This thread is as bizarre as ever I see ! (Hence my recent avoidance)

If Johnson was doing more people (opponents) would say he can’t have been ill enough for hospital/intensive care and was faking it, he’s recovering/recuperating and he’s hiding and should be back at work ?!! Go figure.

There have no doubt been some major government issues/failings in particular the difficulty in securing and distributing vast quantities of PPE but some of the rest of the stuff is way over the top.

However, this thread changed from including reasonably interesting and informative exchanges with genuine debating of good and bad elements of response (with a recognition of the challenges faced by countries around the world) to just toxic ranting. From what I can see there are are handful of countries who have handled this well (South Korea, Germany, Australia and NZ spring to mind) but the list of others struggling in various ways are endless. Not just Italy, Spain, USA, and France but look at the deaths per capita of Belgium, Holland etc. Even japan, with Tokyo hospitals now overflowing and turning patients away and their case numbers appear relatively low ? The world as a whole was underprepared and this nightmare is damaging everyone and even if certain countries might not have been as negatively impacted to date, what’s to say they won’t be in the coming months with potential second and third waves ?!

Ive said it before and I’ll say it again the constant negativity is just unhealthy

ps some positive takeaways on the house...

NHS England recorded deaths per day have been failing for over a week (800 to around 550 by the looks of things)

Hospital admissions are down from 20k a few days ago to around 17k and we are yet to breach ICU capacities (one of the major concerns going into this)

We will hopefully manage to have got through this with less stringent restrictions than many other European countries (which will have had significant but unquantifiable benefits for many)

IF (still an IF) the furlough scheme is operational next week and payrolls can be processed end of this month or early next potentially hundreds of thousands of jobs could be saved and we’ll be in decent position to come out of this once lockdown restrictions/measures are reduced

Things aren’t great and there’s still a long way to go. I’ve got no doubt beads will roll (senior people from PHE and probably Hancock) but for the time being try to at least look at the situation objectively with a tinge of positivity now and then (that’s to everyone, not just you ROS !)

Rant over - have a good evening all and stay safe

 

[skybluetony176]

Coventrian looks pretty hot but I wish G would put his chest hair away

To be fair Grendull looks more like one of these

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Its rally round the flag effect. Aside from a few exceptions most leaders have had a poll boost, people don’t want to think someone shit is in charge during a crisis.

tbf, I'm game for a bit of that. I may be rather differently aligned to Steve politically, but there are times when I have a reasonably good day, and can be guaranteed that this thread is the ideal thing to puncture any positivity and make me feeling the lowest of the low! coventrian shopuldn't be banned just because he offers some righty bigoty relief from it all!

(This also, incidentally, shows why it would be folly for Starmer to go after the government completely at this present stage. There'll be time enough for inquests later, but nobody wants to be the Banquo at the banquet)

 

[Grendel]

I don't hate anyone. Not even idiotic people like yourself. I just feel pity for you.

My dislike of Bliar and Brown for going to war on a lie and being more like Tories are well known. They did many good things but also caused a lot of harm like the Tories always do. And even you know this.

Corbyn? Do you think he did well then?

But well done. You got the attention you crave.

When did you actually last vote labour then?

 

[Astute]

When did you actually last vote labour then?

Local elections. When did you last vote Labour?

 

[Grendel]

Local elections. When did you last vote Labour?

I mean in general elections - I never have

 

[Ring Of Steel]

tbf, I'm game for a bit of that. I may be rather differently aligned to Steve politically, but there are times when I have a reasonably good day, and can be guaranteed that this thread is the ideal thing to puncture any positivity and make me feeling the lowest of the low! coventrian shopuldn't be banned just because he offers some righty bigoty relief from it all!

(This also, incidentally, shows why it would be folly for Starmer to go after the government completely at this present stage. There'll be time enough for inquests later, but nobody wants to be the Banquo at the banquet)

The Conservatives know how to win elections, and they’d be going in for the kill right now if it was Labour in charge, exactly as any opposition with intentions to take over should be doing. In 5 years nobody will remember that they kept quiet during this crisis, but they would remember if Labour were currently pointing out all the disasters and asking “where is the PM?”

if you want to be seen as the party of leadership, show some strength ffs

 

[Astute]

I mean in general elections - I never have

If you ever honestly answered a question from me I would be bothered to answer you. But you never do. So I can't be bothered to answer you when all I will get back is plenty of bullshit from you.

Will answer just about anyone else though.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The Conservatives know how to win elections, and they’d be going in for the kill right now if it was Labour in charge, exactly as any opposition with intentions to take over should be doing. In 5 years nobody will remember that they kept quiet during this crisis, but they would remember if Labour were currently pointing out all the disasters and asking “where is the PM?”

Attlee won by making sure he was in the same cabinet as Churchill.

 

[Grendel]

If you ever honestly answered a question from me I would be bothered to answer you. But you never do. So I can't be bothered to answer you when all I will get back is plenty of bullshit from you.

Will answer just about anyone else though.

So a proud labour man will not say when he last voted labour - that’s random even by your standards

Also I just answered your question

 

[Ring Of Steel]

This thread is as bizarre as ever I see ! (Hence my recent avoidance)

If Johnson was doing more people (opponents) would say he can’t have been ill enough for hospital/intensive care and was faking it, he’s recovering/recuperating and he’s hiding and should be back at work ?!! Go figure.

There have no doubt been some major government issues/failings in particular the difficulty in securing and distributing vast quantities of PPE but some of the rest of the stuff is way over the top.

However, this thread changed from including reasonably interesting and informative exchanges with genuine debating of good and bad elements of response (with a recognition of the challenges faced by countries around the world) to just toxic ranting. From what I can see there are are handful of countries who have handled this well (South Korea, Germany, Australia and NZ spring to mind) but the list of others struggling in various ways are endless. Not just Italy, Spain, USA, and France but look at the deaths per capita of Belgium, Holland etc. Even japan, with Tokyo hospitals now overflowing and turning patients away and their case numbers appear relatively low ? The world as a whole was underprepared and this nightmare is damaging everyone and even if certain countries might not have been as negatively impacted to date, what’s to say they won’t be in the coming months with potential second and third waves ?!

Ive said it before and I’ll say it again the constant negativity is just unhealthy

ps some positive takeaways on the house...

NHS England recorded deaths per day have been failing for over a week (800 to around 550 by the looks of things)

Hospital admissions are down from 20k a few days ago to around 17k and we are yet to breach ICU capacities (one of the major concerns going into this)

We will hopefully manage to have got through this with less stringent restrictions than many other European countries (which will have had significant but unquantifiable benefits for many)

IF (still an IF) the furlough scheme is operational next week and payrolls can be processed end of this month or early next potentially hundreds of thousands of jobs could be saved and we’ll be in decent position to come out of this once lockdown restrictions/measures are reduced

Things aren’t great and there’s still a long way to go. I’ve got no doubt beads will roll (senior people from PHE and probably Hancock) but for the time being try to at least look at the situation objectively with a tinge of positivity now and then (that’s to everyone, not just you ROS !)

Rant over - have a good evening all and stay safe

I am looking at it objectively and what I see is a hiding PM, health workers about to be dressed in bin bags & gardening clothes, lies about testing & PPE, a health minister utterly out of his depth- the list is endless. I see no benefit whatsoever in pretending everything is superb, and I also note the bog-standard response of “yeah but look at them!”, bit pathetic really.

Being positive is a state of mind, it is not telling everyone lies that a pile of shit is actually a gold medal.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Attlee won by making sure he was in the same cabinet as Churchill.

I think you would have to agree that we live in a very, very different world now.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I think you would have to agree that we live in a very, very different world now.

We still live in a world where to openly rebel against the leader at a time of national crisis would work negatively against the opposition among the people as a whole. It'd be a disaster for Starmer.

 

[Astute]

The Conservatives know how to win elections, and they’d be going in for the kill right now if it was Labour in charge, exactly as any opposition with intentions to take over should be doing. In 5 years nobody will remember that they kept quiet during this crisis, but they would remember if Labour were currently pointing out all the disasters and asking “where is the PM?”

So can you explain what the use will be when there will be no reply. A few more days in a 5 year period won't make any difference.

Why play into the hands of a scheming Tory?

Just look at G. That shows what talking to a Tory is like. It needs to be in a situation where the questions can be pushed to the maximum and not down to the media that has Tory bias.

 

[shmmeee]

tbf, I'm game for a bit of that. I may be rather differently aligned to Steve politically, but there are times when I have a reasonably good day, and can be guaranteed that this thread is the ideal thing to puncture any positivity and make me feeling the lowest of the low! coventrian shopuldn't be banned just because he offers some righty bigoty relief from it all!

(This also, incidentally, shows why it would be folly for Starmer to go after the government completely at this present stage. There'll be time enough for inquests later, but nobody wants to be the Banquo at the banquet)

Yeah agreed. Been having this argument with Corbynites. Point is that it doesn’t actually mean a good job is being done, just standard psychological effect. The data tells us we aren’t doing a great job so far but we really can’t tell until it’s all over.

 

[Ian1779]

The Conservatives know how to win elections, and they’d be going in for the kill right now if it was Labour in charge, exactly as any opposition with intentions to take over should be doing. In 5 years nobody will remember that they kept quiet during this crisis, but they would remember if Labour were currently pointing out all the disasters and asking “where is the PM?”

if you want to be seen as the party of leadership, show some strength ffs

Cameron spent 2 years building a narrative that Labour caused the financial crisis....

 

[CCFCSteve]

I am looking at it objectively and what I see is a hiding PM, health workers about to be dressed in bin bags & gardening clothes, lies about testing & PPE, a health minister utterly out of his depth- the list is endless. I see no benefit whatsoever in pretending everything is superb, and I also note the bog-standard response of “yeah but look at them!”, bit pathetic really.

Being positive is a state of mind, it is not telling everyone lies that a pile of shit is actually a gold medal.

I never said pretend everything is superb, it isn’t, we know that.

I know Johnson has his faults and I find myself defending someone I’m not a massive admirer of because I can’t see how on earth you say ‘he’s in hiding’. In the past he was fair game for disappearing acts but not currently.

 

[Astute]

We still live in a world where to openly rebel against the leader at a time of national crisis would work negatively against the opposition among the people as a whole. It'd be a disaster for Starmer.

Questions about the virus should be OK but not personal attacks. No harm in PPE questions or what the end game is as people want to know. This includes Tory voters.