Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (5 Viewers)

Astute · Apr 19, 2020

PVA said:
That's all great.

But the party you voted for are in power, have been for 10 years, and doctors and nurses are dying because of a lack of PPE because the government are utterly incompetent.

What are your thoughts on that?

My mind changed a little when I read an article. An 80 ton shipment turned up from Turkey. It had 500,000 medical gowns on it. Sounded great. But then it said it won't last long as there are 400,000 frontline staff. It gives an idea of the problem we face.

Countries that manufacture items are keeping them for themselves. This us the problem with becoming service based and mot manufacturing based. The EU even made an apology to Italy for shipments that had been paid for from France and Germany that they ended up keeping for themselves.

Just like the test kits we bought that ended up being useless.

I put it down to running everything on a tight budget. Always wanting to get the cheapest price but wasting NHS money on management. Suddenly the items are like gold dust. The suppliers can get a much better price elsewhere so they sell elsewhere.

Does anyone honestly think they are not trying to buy PPE?

Astute · Apr 19, 2020

Ian1779 said:
If you work out how to do it then you can let hundreds of bewildered blokes know.

Very easy.

Move them to a different country. Wait for lockdown to happen. They then miss you badly as they don't know when you are going to be together again so they can spend the day moaning at you.

Astute · Apr 19, 2020

shmmeee said:
Loving the meltdowns from Grendel and Ernie.

Absolutely obsessed, and coming onto a football forum to say how people who go on football forums are losers, or simultaneously saying how everyone is Labour but no one cares about Labour:

My problem is I do care about Labour. And I am passionate about things I care for. You have to have passion about things you care for or you end up not caring.

hill83 · Apr 19, 2020

The coventrian said:
Sit back and watch the jealous left wing suffer. Fuck off losers. Suck it up you bitter twats.
You'll never regain power whilst the likes of Eddie izzard are in your party you tranny loving freekshow weird anti British twats.

PARK LIFE

shmmeee · Apr 19, 2020

Whheeeeyyyyy!

Add another couple of meltdowns to the pile. All complete with “I’m out” flounces as well. Absolute classics of the genre. I can almost see the red faces and spittle from here.

Internet is serious business guys.

Deleted member 5849 · Apr 19, 2020

The coventrian said:
Sit back and watch the jealous left wing suffer. Fuck off losers. Suck it up you bitter twats.
You'll never regain power whilst the likes of Eddie izzard are in your party you tranny loving freekshow weird anti British twats.

Good trip out?

Skybluefaz · Apr 19, 2020

The coventrian said:
Sit back and watch the jealous left wing suffer. Fuck off losers. Suck it up you bitter twats.
You'll never regain power whilst the likes of Eddie izzard are in your party you tranny loving freekshow weird anti British twats.

Ha ha, right now you think Eddie Izzard is the problem.

Sick Boy · Apr 19, 2020

He voted for a cabinet that contains the authors of Britannia Unchained and thinks that they’re on the side of the working British man hahaha.
Absolutely clueless.

stupot07 · Apr 19, 2020

What a leader.....

Coronavirus: 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

Boris Johnson skipped five Cobra meetings on the virus, calls to order protective gear were ignored and scientists’ warnings fell on deaf ears

Coronavirus: 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster | News | The Sunday Times

You can read the whole article here Coronavirus: 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster | News | …

Good thread about the article here

"Boris Johnson skipped COVID-19 meetings and ignored scientists' warnings, The Sunday Times reports" Boris Johnson skipped COVID-19 meetings and ignored scientists' warnings, The Sunday Times reports

Crisis leadership at its finest...

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stupot07 · Apr 19, 2020

Wtf...

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shmmeee · Apr 19, 2020

stupot07 said:
What a leader.....

Coronavirus: 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

Boris Johnson skipped five Cobra meetings on the virus, calls to order protective gear were ignored and scientists’ warnings fell on deaf ears

Coronavirus: 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster | News | The Sunday Times

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Just been reading this. Sorry but it’s increasingly clear the guy simply isn’t fit to run the country. Stick Sunak in, stick Liam Fox in, but having this buffoon and his weirdo mate in charge is just dangerous. Don’t care how much of a laaaad he is.

Thousands of deaths on his hands. When this is over heads need to roll.

stupot07 · Apr 19, 2020

shmmeee said:
Just been reading this. Sorry but it’s increasingly clear the guy simply isn’t fit to run the country. Stick Sunak in, stick Liam Fox in, but having this buffoon and his weirdo mate in charge is just dangerous. Don’t care how much of a laaaad he is.

Thousands of deaths on his hands. When this is over heads need to roll.

This is also worrying - Gove and Rishi allegedly want to lift the lockdown, whatever the human cost.

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skybluetony176 · Apr 19, 2020

stupot07 said:
Wtf...

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Fake news.

Sick Boy · Apr 19, 2020

stupot07 said:
This is also worrying - Gove and Rishi allegedly want to lift the lockdown, whatever the human cost.

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This sort of thing shouldn’t come as a surprise, do you really think the lives of ordinary people are worth more than the economy to them and their mates?

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 19, 2020

shmmeee said:
Just been reading this. Sorry but it’s increasingly clear the guy simply isn’t fit to run the country. Stick Sunak in, stick Liam Fox in, but having this buffoon and his weirdo mate in charge is just dangerous. Don’t care how much of a laaaad he is.

Thousands of deaths on his hands. When this is over heads need to roll.

This is what happens when you’re obsessed with getting power but have no idea what to do with it

PVA · Apr 19, 2020

stupot07 said:
Wtf...

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This was posted a couple of times yesterday and ignored by the Tory fanboys.

It's clear as day what the plan was.

They can argue all they like that herd immunity was never the plan, or that Boris wasn't suggesting we take it on the chin.

But absolutely everything points to that being the plan.

And thousands of people will have died because of it.

Boris laddddd!

wingy · Apr 19, 2020

stupot07 said:
What a leader.....

Coronavirus: 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

Boris Johnson skipped five Cobra meetings on the virus, calls to order protective gear were ignored and scientists’ warnings fell on deaf ears

Coronavirus: 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster | News | The Sunday Times

You can read the whole article here Coronavirus: 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster | News | …

Good thread about the article here

"Boris Johnson skipped COVID-19 meetings and ignored scientists' warnings, The Sunday Times reports" Boris Johnson skipped COVID-19 meetings and ignored scientists' warnings, The Sunday Times reports

Crisis leadership at its finest...

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Fake news .
Gove has got this he's just told Sophie Ridge.

skybluetony176 · Apr 19, 2020

stupot07 said:
What a leader.....

Coronavirus: 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

Boris Johnson skipped five Cobra meetings on the virus, calls to order protective gear were ignored and scientists’ warnings fell on deaf ears

Coronavirus: 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster | News | The Sunday Times

You can read the whole article here Coronavirus: 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster | News | …

Good thread about the article here

"Boris Johnson skipped COVID-19 meetings and ignored scientists' warnings, The Sunday Times reports" Boris Johnson skipped COVID-19 meetings and ignored scientists' warnings, The Sunday Times reports

Crisis leadership at its finest...

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The Sunday Times article is particularly damming. I can see the Tories ditching Boris before the next election and his handling (or lack thereof) of Coronavirus will be the cementing factor in it. Truly shocking read on outright incompetence.

clint van damme · Apr 19, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
This is what happens when you’re obsessed with getting power but have no idea what to do with it

Or pick a cabinet based on how ingrained they are with the Brexit ideology at the expense of everything else.

Sick Boy · Apr 19, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
The Sunday Times article is particularly damming. I can see the Tories ditching Boris before the next election and his handling (or lack thereof) of Coronavirus will be the cementing factor in it. Truly shocking read on outright incompetence.

I doubt it to be honest, they're very good at PR and he will just carry on, there will be a scapegoat, but I doubt it'll be him.

wingy · Apr 19, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
The Sunday Times article is particularly damming. I can see the Tories ditching Boris before the next election and his handling (or lack thereof) of Coronavirus will be the cementing factor in it. Truly shocking read on outright incompetence.

Fake News!!

skybluetony176 · Apr 19, 2020

clint van damme said:
Or pick a cabinet based on how ingrained they are with the Brexit ideology at the expense of everything else.

This quote from the Times article sums it up

“The last rehearsal for a pandemic was a 2016 exercise codenamed Cygnus, which predicted the health service would collapse and highlighted a long list of shortcomings — including, presciently, a lack of PPE and intensive care ventilators.

An equally lengthy list of recommendations to address the deficiencies was never implemented. The source said preparations for a no-deal Brexit “sucked all the blood out of pandemic planning” in the following years.”

Skybluefaz · Apr 19, 2020

Sick Boy said:
I doubt it to be honest, they're very good at PR and he will just carry on, there will be a scapegoat, but I doubt it'll be him.

I agree, he's the poster boy. His style woos the likes of Dom no matter what he does.

stupot07 · Apr 19, 2020

wingy said:
Fake news .
Gove has got this he's just told Sophie Ridge.

The article must be pretty much on the mark...his only rebuttal was there are "one or two aspects in it that are slightly off beam..."

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skybluetony176 · Apr 19, 2020

Sick Boy said:
I doubt it to be honest, they're very good at PR and he will just carry on, there will be a scapegoat, but I doubt it'll be him.

You could be right. It could depend on the timing of a release on any report also. Look at the Russia report. What Russia report?

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 19, 2020

clint van damme said:
Or pick a cabinet based on how ingrained they are with the Brexit ideology at the expense of everything else.

Boris supported Leave because he calculated it would make him PM

PVA · Apr 19, 2020

Sick Boy said:
I doubt it to be honest, they're very good at PR and he will just carry on, there will be a scapegoat, but I doubt it'll be him.

Yep. Hancock is the face of this, he'll be thrown under the bus once this is over.

Boris will be front and centre once the numbers start dropping and he'll be the saviour.

The general public will absolutely lap it up. That's the kind of thing they are thick enough to fall for.

fernandopartridge · Apr 19, 2020

The tories will get rid of a leader if they feel it protects the party overall, they are ruthless. Johnson will go I reckon, he's got paternity leave coming up and I wouldn't be surprised if some ill health reason is used.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 19, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
The tories will get rid of a leader if they feel it protects the party overall, they are ruthless. Johnson will go I reckon, he's got paternity leave coming up and I wouldn't be surprised if some ill health reason is used.

Nah he is master joke teller and pint holder, nobody else in their party is better at it

skybluetony176 · Apr 19, 2020

PVA said:
Yep. Hancock is the face of this, he'll be thrown under the bus once this is over.

Boris will be front and centre once the numbers start dropping and he'll be the saviour.

The general public will absolutely lap it up. That's the kind of thing they are thick enough to fall for.

Chris Whitty will be the first casualty. And having read the Times article I couldn’t say he doesn’t deserve it.

PVA · Apr 19, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
Chris Whitty will be the first casualty. And having read the Times article I couldn’t say he doesn’t deserve it.

Grendel won't be pleased with that, he was really singing his praises during the government's initial response (that definitely wasn't herd immunity, no siree).

clint van damme · Apr 19, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
This quote from the Times article sums it up

“The last rehearsal for a pandemic was a 2016 exercise codenamed Cygnus, which predicted the health service would collapse and highlighted a long list of shortcomings — including, presciently, a lack of PPE and intensive care ventilators.

An equally lengthy list of recommendations to address the deficiencies was never implemented. The source said preparations for a no-deal Brexit “sucked all the blood out of pandemic planning” in the following years.”

I've read a few articles on that drill as well as heard a couple of interviews with Professor Anthony Costello who's been trying to warn governments to be prepared for such an occurrence for 18 years.
The no one could have seen it coming, no one could have been prepared arguments just don't wash

CCFCSteve · Apr 19, 2020

The Times article is damming and it will be interesting to see the government response (and more importantly the inquiries when all the information is laid bare - which is the right time/way for people to held to account)

I watched that video about 5 or 6 times and I’m still wasnt quite sure about the uproar. People will read into it what they want but it’s a minute clip and he starts by talking about ‘it’s in that context’ what context ? So I googled the speech and checked the transcript...

‘From Brussels to China to Washington tariffs are being waved around like cudgels even in debates on foreign policy where frankly they have no place - and there is an ever growing proliferation of non-tariff barriers and the resulting tensions are letting the air out of the tyres of the world economy.

World trading volumes are lagging behind global growth.

Trade used to grow at roughly double global GDP – from 1987 to 2007.

Now it barely keeps pace and global growth is itself anaemic and the decline in global poverty is beginning to slow.

And in that context, we are starting to hear some bizarre autarkic rhetoric, when barriers are going up, and when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage, then at that moment humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange, some country ready to take off its Clark Kent spectacles and leap into the phone booth and emerge with its cloak flowing as the supercharged champion, of the right of the populations of the earth to buy and sell freely among each other’

So basically the context was how unnecessary trade barriers and protectionism are slowing the decline of global poverty ???? But I guess the person uploading it didn’t want that bit on there ?!

There are plenty of genuine faults to be looked into after it’s over but this type of nonsense (to be polite) isn’t any help to anyone !

TTG · Apr 19, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
If we were politicians:

PVA: Nick Clegg on crack
G: Mark Francois
Coventrian: Ian Paisley Snr
Dave O'Day: John Prescott

And Sylus would be David Icke

fernandopartridge · Apr 19, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
The Times article is damming and it will be interesting to see the government response (and more importantly the inquiries when all the information is laid bare - which is the right time/way for people to held to account)

I watched that video about 5 or 6 times and I’m still wasnt quite sure about the uproar. People will read into it what they want but it’s a minute clip and he starts by talking about ‘it’s in that context’ what context ? So I googled the speech and checked the transcript...

‘From Brussels to China to Washington tariffs are being waved around like cudgels even in debates on foreign policy where frankly they have no place - and there is an ever growing proliferation of non-tariff barriers and the resulting tensions are letting the air out of the tyres of the world economy.

World trading volumes are lagging behind global growth.

Trade used to grow at roughly double global GDP – from 1987 to 2007.

Now it barely keeps pace and global growth is itself anaemic and the decline in global poverty is beginning to slow.

And in that context, we are starting to hear some bizarre autarkic rhetoric, when barriers are going up, and when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage, then at that moment humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange, some country ready to take off its Clark Kent spectacles and leap into the phone booth and emerge with its cloak flowing as the supercharged champion, of the right of the populations of the earth to buy and sell freely among each other’

So basically the context was how unnecessary trade barriers and protectionism are slowing the decline of global poverty ???? But I guess the person uploading it didn’t want that bit on there ?!

There are plenty of genuine faults to be looked into after it’s over but this type of nonsense (to be polite) isn’t any help to anyone !

I get your point to an extent, you have to ask why was Coronavirus mentioned at all in that context then Steve? The premise of it is about not intervening isn't it.

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