Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (108 Viewers)

chiefdave · Apr 20, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Lots of people seemed to get the symptoms around December time, definitely could be something in that

There's definitely something odd been going around. I've had something for months that I haven't been able to shake. Been to the doctors a few times and they couldn't really help. Tried antibiotics as they thought it was a chest infection, did nothing. Even got sent for an x-ray to check for lung cancer!

They did say a few people seemed to have something similar. Doubt it is coronavirus, even if it didn't get worse surely it would have spread quickly and we'd have known there was a problem far earlier.

SeaSeeEffCee · Apr 20, 2020

chiefdave said:
Really hoping this turns out to be 'fake news' but it does seem to stand up to scrutiny. 128 twitter profiles of NHS staff found to be fake and traced back to the Department of Health and Social Care.

If this is true it’s fucking scandalous.

chiefdave · Apr 20, 2020

After a decade of austerity council's didn't have the services to cope with this outbreak. They were told to spend whatever was needed and they'd get it back but it looks like there are now doubts that will happen.

PVA · Apr 20, 2020

chiefdave said:
Really hoping this turns out to be 'fake news' but it does seem to stand up to scrutiny. 128 twitter profiles of NHS staff found to be fake and traced back to the Department of Health and Social Care.

Just came in to post this.

Utterly disgusting, but not unexpected, from this shameful government.

People will still defend them though. Unbelievable. This should be front page news but no doubt it'll get brushed under the carpet like the rest of their dirty tricks.

Liquid Gold · Apr 20, 2020

wingy said:
Coronavirus outbreak may have started in September, say British scientists

I don't believe it for a second but would love it to be the case. I had a horrible one with similar symptoms around New Year and would love it to have been this.

fernandopartridge · Apr 20, 2020

SeaSeeEffCee said:
If this is true it’s fucking scandalous.

It is but they've told lies with impunity for years now, there is no comeback. For all their rhetoric about Corbyn being a commie, their propaganda would make Stalin blush. Vile people.

shmmeee · Apr 20, 2020

Again, no no one in this thread had coronavirus in December unless you were visiting Wuhan at the time. There are tons of respiratory diseases kicking around at winter. There is no suggestion we had an outbreak last year, that article is talking purely about China and is speculating a three month window Sept-Dec for the start. Let’s not start this nonsense again.

Those fake NHS Twitter accounts are a bit dodgy. It fits the whole Cummings and Johnson MO, which is also why I’ll take it with a pinch of salt until something is proven, but they do seem to be treating the pandemic the same way they treated the election and Brexit with lots of online bullshit and PR rather than what you’d expect from a government during a crisis.

Johnnythespider · Apr 20, 2020

If it was around in September wouldn't the hospitals have been swamped by October, with a steep spike in deaths.

BackRoomRummermill · Apr 20, 2020

chiefdave said:
There's definitely something odd been going around. I've had something for months that I haven't been able to shake. Been to the doctors a few times and they couldn't really help. Tried antibiotics as they thought it was a chest infection, did nothing. Even got sent for an x-ray to check for lung cancer!

They did say a few people seemed to have something similar. Doubt it is coronavirus, even if it didn't get worse surely it would have spread quickly and we'd have known there was a problem far earlier.

Do you drive a lot on Motorways ? I mean above average ?

chiefdave · Apr 20, 2020

BackRoomRummermill said:
Do you drive a lot on Motorways ? I mean above average ?

Commute to Blythe Valley Business Park every day but thats about it so wouldn't have thought that was above average.

chiefdave · Apr 20, 2020

Johnnythespider said:
If it was around in September wouldn't the hospitals have been swamped by October, with a steep spike in deaths.

Exactly. If it was corona why would it just lie dormant for months, makes no sense. Just some other weird bug that wouldn't shift.

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 20, 2020

I don’t get what’s happening really. Did we lock down too early and fear it’s length too much? Or as I suspect have we flattened the peak to ensure our health services cope

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 20, 2020

And if we included deaths in care homes would we already be at a higher figure than France?

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 21, 2020

PVA said:
Just came in to post this.

Utterly disgusting, but not unexpected, from this shameful government.

People will still defend them though. Unbelievable. This should be front page news but no doubt it'll get brushed under the carpet like the rest of their dirty tricks.

Imagine Corbyn posting under fake Jewish accounts

Liquid Gold · Apr 21, 2020

Interesting

shmmeee · Apr 21, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
I don’t get what’s happening really. Did we lock down too early and fear it’s length too much? Or as I suspect have we flattened the peak to ensure our health services cope

If anything we locked down too late, we’ve had a similar curve to Italy compare that to countries that locked down earlier and have seen far far fewer deaths. In terms of managing healthcare capacity it seems to have been a success, if not in terms of limiting deaths.

There’s been two successful strategies so far, neither of which we followed: lockdown hard and early like NZ or contain the outbreak with track and trace and mass testing like SK.

The gamble is that those that locked down early will see a large second wave or extreme economic damage compared to those that didn’t. Well only know how true that is once we’ve run the numbers after it’s all over though.

And yes, as I understand it if we counted deaths outside hospitals we’d be above France and most other EU countries. But again really hard to tell for sure until the dust settles and we can look at overall excess deaths and normalise our some of the differences in reporting and methodologies for cause of death.

shmmeee · Apr 21, 2020

Liquid Gold said:
Interesting

Got to be honest, this guy seems like a bit of a crank with a habit of self publicising through edgy views: Karol Sikora - Wikipedia

Liquid Gold · Apr 21, 2020

shmmeee said:
Got to be honest, this guy seems like a bit of a crank with a habit of self publicising through edgy views: Karol Sikora - Wikipedia

Yeah, I'm probably showing a bit of confirmation bias as from my own meagre research I'm expecting asymptomatic cases to be a major factor in the final tally if we ever manage to get decent antibody tests. The guy may be a crank but I'd love to see the proof of that Boston homeless shelter stuff.

Posting this for more info and so I can read myself tomorrow as it's too late now - Asymptomatic coronavirus cases at Boston homeless shelter raise red flag - CNN

Astute · Apr 21, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
I don’t get what’s happening really. Did we lock down too early and fear it’s length too much? Or as I suspect have we flattened the peak to ensure our health services cope

I think we locked down at about the right time. But try telling that to people who have lost loved ones.

We certainly haven't been strict enough with lockdown though. This is well worth a look. At least they have kept their SOH.

https://www.facebook.com/

Sick Boy · Apr 21, 2020

chiefdave said:
Really hoping this turns out to be 'fake news' but it does seem to stand up to scrutiny. 128 twitter profiles of NHS staff found to be fake and traced back to the Department of Health and Social Care.

Disgusting but not surprising either

djr8369 · Apr 21, 2020

chiefdave said:
Really hoping this turns out to be 'fake news' but it does seem to stand up to scrutiny. 128 twitter profiles of NHS staff found to be fake and traced back to the Department of Health and Social Care.

This is horrifying and should bring down the government in any sane country. This is akin to the Chinese governments propaganda.

Ian1779 · Apr 21, 2020

djr8369 said:
This is horrifying and should bring down the government in any sane country. This is akin to the Chinese governments propaganda.

This sort of thing has been going on in one guise or another since 2016.

shmmeee · Apr 21, 2020

Will be interesting to see how that plays out. I see the government have used a bot to deny it which isn’t the brightest move The guy says he’s pulling together evidence and we’ll see more today.

Deleted member 5849 · Apr 21, 2020

shmmeee said:
Will be interesting to see how that plays out. I see the government have used a bot to deny it which isn’t the brightest move The guy says he’s pulling together evidence and we’ll see more today.

I really hope for the sake of all sanity it's false.

If true, then I'll join you in the lynching. At a distance, of course

shmmeee · Apr 21, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
I really hope for the sake of all sanity it's false.

If true, then I'll join you in the lynching. At a distance, of course

Oh I’m still in truck of salt mode. I can’t see how he can know it’s from the gov but await his proof with interest. Also always a bit suspect of people who make big claims then say proof is coming later. Get your ducks in a row first.

I notice the accounts are being deleted which is interesting.

clint van damme · Apr 21, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
I really hope for the sake of all sanity it's false.

If true, then I'll join you in the lynching. At a distance, of course

given the false fact checker they've set up I know what my money is on.
I'd really like to see something put in place to stop this type of shit or a least heavily penalise it so it makes organisations think twice about employing these tactics.

Liquid Gold · Apr 21, 2020

clint van damme said:
given the false fact checker they've set up I know what my money is on.
I'd really like to see something put in place to stop this type of shit or a least heavily penalise it so it makes organisations think twice about employing these tactics.

When did it all become about tricking people into being on your side instead of presenting your best argument. I blame Campbell.

clint van damme · Apr 21, 2020

Liquid Gold said:
When did it all become about tricking people into being on your side instead of presenting your best argument. I blame Campbell.

I've always thought Mandleson was behind it but it could have been Campbell or a combination of the 2.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Apr 21, 2020

Its just propaganda 101 isn't it?...as old as the hills......its just the medium thats changed...

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Apr 21, 2020

It may have been Mandleson's brainchild, but Campbell was the architect of how to work it.

shmmeee · Apr 21, 2020

I do think there’s been a definite change in recent years to feeding people enough to stay in their bubble. When we all shared the same media we had some kind of shared truth that while still manipulated was at least shared. These days everyone’s got their own truth.

Campbell and co did what I’d call classic PR or spin rather than outright propaganda.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Apr 21, 2020

shmmeee said:
I do think there’s been a definite change in recent years to feeding people enough to stay in their bubble. When we all shared the same media we had some kind of shared truth that while still manipulated was at least shared. These days everyone’s got their own truth.

Campbell and co did what I’d call classic PR or spin rather than outright propaganda.

Yep.. the likes of Goebbels would have filled his jack-boots with facebook & twitter accounts....

...and, with due respect, I'd suggest the Iraq WMD saga was a little bit more than classic PR & spin mate.

Grendel · Apr 21, 2020

djr8369 said:
This is horrifying and should bring down the government in any sane country. This is akin to the Chinese governments propaganda.

It would if it was true....

Liquid Gold · Apr 21, 2020

I don’t think anything brings down governments much anymore. Can you imagine a chancellor quoting in the past saying his office wasn’t independent then the government continuing.

Grendel · Apr 21, 2020

Liquid Gold said:
I don’t think anything brings down governments much anymore. Can you imagine a chancellor quoting in the past saying his office wasn’t independent then the government continuing.

The other problem is people can make very serious claims with no evidence and no consequences of false information.

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