Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (6 Viewers)

CCFCSteve said:

Also aware they are only advisors, the government has said they have followed scientific advice. Again maybe they haven’t but I’ve seen no evidence of this yet (I’m sure the scientists, who’s lifetime reputations are on the line, are unlikely to just accept being the fallguys, especially when we are talking about thousands of lives but maybe there is more on this to come)

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We followed a different path to basically everyone else in the world which had scientists queuing up to question how the decisions were being made and requesting the data behind the decisions be released so they could analyse it themselves.

Now we've got the scientists who were in the meetings leaking details to the press, including saying that the home nations chief scientific advisors are only allowed observer status while Cummings and Warner are active participants. Sir David King, a past member of SAGE has said “If you are giving science advice, your advice should be free of any political bias, that is just so critically important.” and others have said they can not recall a previous time government advisors were at meetings.

What evidence are you waiting for, Johnson to get up in the daily briefing and say they've been ignoring the science?

chiefdave said:

We followed a different path to basically everyone else in the world which had scientists queuing up to question how the decisions were being made and requesting the data behind the decisions be released so they could analyse it themselves.

Now we've got the scientists who were in the meetings leaking details to the press, including saying that the home nations chief scientific advisors are only allowed observer status while Cummings and Warner are active participants. Sir David King, a past member of SAGE has said “If you are giving science advice, your advice should be free of any political bias, that is just so critically important.” and others have said they can not recall a previous time government advisors were at meetings.

What evidence are you waiting for, Johnson to get up in the daily briefing and say they've been ignoring the science?

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No, I’d want one (or more) of the scientists on the committee to say that the government ignored the scientific advice

I’ve also highlighted the two questions I’d want answering regarding Cummings attendance.

As I highlighted earlier Sir King also mentioned he was shocked to hear Cummings was ‘on the committee’ which has been refuted

ps I’m not going to get back into the whole timeline around various countries actions, however, I do know that we accelerated our restrictions/measures following the imperial college report (who advise the government).

Sick Boy said:

Across the world, face masks are becoming mandatory. Why not in the UK? | Babak Javid

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Mandatory here but not being enforced or obeyed for some reason. Because it was decreed by mayor of Budapest (opposition party) apparently govt telling police to ignore it. Only around half the people obeying it - not a big jump on those that were doing it before the Decree.

tisza said:

Mandatory here but not being enforced or obeyed for some reason. Because it was decreed by mayor of Budapest (opposition party) apparently govt telling police to ignore it. Only around half the people obeying it - not a big jump on those that were doing it before the Decree.

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In Veneto it’s mandatory to wear mask and gloves on public and it’s being obeyed from what I’ve seen, the gloves is a weird one though because they can pick up germs more easily and you then bring them into the home.

Sick Boy said:

In Veneto it’s mandatory to wear mask and gloves on public and it’s being obeyed from what I’ve seen, the gloves is a weird one though because they can pick up Germans more easily and you then bring them into the home.

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I'll try that approach next time I meet a German bird.

HAHA!

Priti Patel says shoplifting is down...

Flying Fokker said:

Priti Patel says shoplifting is down...

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I hope you’re joking, I fear you’re not.

Nope...

Deaths up, shoplifting down. Every cloud.

So Home Office policy to solve crime from now on will be get rid of everyone. No people = no crime. Easy when you think about it.

Flying Fokker said:

Priti Patel says shoplifting is down...

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Is she sure? Her grasp of numbers is not the greatest....

EDIT: I’ve checked - she said it was down seven and twelvty percent to eleventy and three.

Grendel said:

Where are the F Pace and E Pace built?

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Castle Brom and Austria.

David O'Day said:

Get help

Seriously get help

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Cool story David.

The coventrian said:

Castle Brom and Austria.

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Austria is opening with Solihull isn’t it?

Is this the most ridiculous thing ever

Grendel said:

Is this the most ridiculous thing ever

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This is the party that stated one of their achievements in the coalition was the 5p carrier bag charge

The coventrian said:

Castle Brom and Austria.

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F pace is built at Solihull, at your place..the F type is built at castle brom, correct me if I'm wrong.

Grendel said:

Is this the most ridiculous thing ever

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It doesn't make sense.
I'm not sure he's thought it through.

clint van damme said:

It doesn't make sense.
I'm not sure he's thought it through.

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Some Lib Dems are doing it to raise money for food banks and to show solidarity, Davey is the vice chair of the APPG for the Ahmadiyya Muslim community.

Don’t see the issue personally.

Flying Fokker said:

Nope...

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It's unbelievable. Less than 40 days ago Vallance was saying a good outcome would be to keep deaths under 20K and we were wondering how the Italian government had let things get so out of control when their death rate was at 2.5K.

On the day we tragically sailed past 20K in hospital deaths alone, estimated to be more than double that in total, Patel is talking about how shoplifting is down. News which shocked nobody given that most of the shops are closed.

shmmeee said:

Some Lib Dems are doing it to raise money for food banks and to show solidarity, Davey is the vice chair of the APPG for the Ahmadiyya Muslim community.

Don’t see the issue personally.

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If he wants to do it up to him.
But there are over 2 billion Muslims in the world, I'm sure they don't need a lib dems MP to tell them they are not alone.

If he's doing it for charity 5hen good luck though I don't know if he is.

The coventrian said:

Cool story David.

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Get it fella

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David O'Day said:

Get it fella

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Cool story David

Grendel said:

Austria is opening with Solihull isn’t it?

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I believe so. Things are picking up so let's get back to what we do best-build the best 4x4's In the world.

This is appalling, I believe the rest of the world is looking on in horror whilst our media worry about that utter fucking c**t Johnson

fernandopartridge said:

This is appalling, I believe the rest of the world is looking on in horror whilst our media worry about that utter fucking c**t Johnson

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You’re right, it’s like no lessons have been learnt from what’s happened elsewhere, it’s very worrying.

“Would you rather be in Italy?”

Italian mayor flies his student daughters out of 'unsafe' England | Coronavirus outbreak | The Guardian

The CCP (Chinese Communist Party), originators of the Covid-19 virus.

Gazolba said:

The CCP (Chinese Communist Party), originators of the Covid-19 virus.

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You do realise there are people just like you in China who are convinced it came from Fort Detrick?

Gazolba said:

The CCP (Chinese Communist Party), originators of the Covid-19 virus.

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On an unrelated note, what is your job in US local government?

I see the Sunday Express has gone with the headline “PM’s back to tighten grip on crisis”.

Isn't that how he caught it in the first place? #gallowshumour

shmmeee said:

“Would you rather be in Italy?”

Italian mayor flies his student daughters out of 'unsafe' England | Coronavirus outbreak | The Guardian

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Shmmeee, whoever brought up the original comparison with Italy was wrong, this isn’t some kind of competition. The fact that it’s consistently brought up every time there is bad news about the UK figures is just as bad though in my book.

The fact is all countries will end up suffering badly from this, possibly at different times (different waves etc). If asked though, would I rather be here than Italy, Spain, France etc (as it keeps being sarcastically mentioned by various posters - appreciate this is probably aimed at whoever made the comparison to start with) my answer would be yes. Both for fact that we have remained within our hospital bed and ICU capacities (so far) and the lockdown, which whilst difficult, is no doubt more relaxed than various other countries which will have ultimately have benefited the wider population in unquantifiable ways. In addition I am hoping the furlough scheme will save many businesses from going bust and many hundreds of thousands losing their jobs. Fingers crossed anyway.

Yes, we might have higher spikes of case and death figures but until we know the proportions of the populations that’s had it, whether it can be caught again and until the virus has been dealt with (or better controlled internationally), comparisons are almost irrelevant.

Have we breached ICU capacities which would have caused additional unnecessary deaths ? no. In actual fact we’ve run at a high spare capacity throughout and there are plenty of countries/regions that haven’t been as lucky (outside of Europe I’ve read of japan turning patients away and New York has consistently reached if not breached, capacity)

fernandopartridge said:

This is appalling, I believe the rest of the world is looking on in horror whilst our media worry about that utter fucking c**t Johnson

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Finally, and in answer to the earlier, ‘look how bad our actual deaths are’ post, people are forgetting that this is likely to be the same problem across pretty much every badly hit country ie figures will be initially understated everywhere. An example of this was reflected in the WSJ earlier in the month. I didn’t feel it was appropriate to post at the time for the reasons given above but as there appears to be more focus on our inaccurate (understated) numbers I thought it would be useful to share something to show that every badly hit country will be facing exactly the same problem as ourselves.

Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported

Anyway, this isn’t a ‘look at how great we are’ post, more a ‘we’re all in this same shit situation together’. We know there have been many issues and challenges, some of which we have not dealt with well, however, this is the early stages of a worldwide pandemic of a totally new virus and I expect a majority of countries will unfortunately have similar challenges/issues either now or in the future. Let’s just hope we can find a vaccine or at least all find a way to deal with it as well as possible

ps I hope everyone can enjoy at least some of the last good weather for a few days (suppose were were due some dodgy days). It’s certainly kept the spirits up over the last few weeks

Might plan a game of football this Thursday at 8

The god complex of some isn't enough just yet.