Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (8 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

Any reason Spain infection figure has jumped again? More testing? Change in how they are referring to old figures?

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Really interesting

Third of hospitalised Covid-19 patients in UK have died, study finds

James Gallagher

Health and science correspondent, BBC News

The biggest study of Covid-19 patients in the UK shows a third admitted to hospital have died.

Just under half have been discharged, with the rest still being treated.

Prof Calum Semple, the chief investigator from the University of Liverpool, said the "crude hospital fatality rate is of the same magnitude as Ebola".

He said around 35-40% of hospitalised Ebola patients die.

"People need to hear this... this is an incredibly dangerous disease."

Nearly 17,000 patients from 166 hospitals were part of the study. Obesity and age both increased the risk of death.

The study also confirmed that men are more likely to have severe disease, and the gap between outcomes for men and women gets wider with age.

 

[Astute]

He fucked Brexit first and foremost from that position.

Which I said at the time but most on here said he was doing the right thing. Now they say differently.

 

[Astute]

Again, what do the Tories do? Go full on attack on Labour and ignore their own failings. Anti-semitism vs Islamophobia and their own anti-semitism problems? Brush their own under the carpet and slam Corbyn and Labour.

Massive budget deficits and rising debt. Problem for them all but say Labour's plans are totally unaffordable.

The Tories go on the attack just as much, if not more, than Labour do. They're just more adept at hiding or deflecting from their own issues. Whether this is partly to do with having a media that will help keep these things under the radar, better use of legal processes to prevent reporting or just keeping it in-house for the greater good of getting elected than the power struggle of Labour, where they both shoot themselves in the foot by trying to give their faction the upper hand and just end up making the party as a whole (and therefore themselves) look bad.

Here we go with the Tory thing again.

I never have a good word for the Tories but it gets ignored. I say what is wrong with Labour and you would think I have said something badly wrong about someone's religion. Most on here either go into defence mode or go on the attack. Then in later posts they make out they agree with me but don't link it to a post of mine.

Work that one out.

 

[Astute]

Forget the media not repeating it, Labour didn’t repeat it! The messages were terrible and forgettable. Good messaging isn’t right wing is my point!

The media tore apart the 50,000 nurses and 40 hospitals claims as well. All that does is amplify the claims.

And Labours manifesto had a £58bn Waspi sized hole in it. There’s lots of experts who say zero carbon by 2030 is impossible. We didn’t say how we’d set prices for bringing broadband into public control.

This is exactly what I mean, conspiracy theories and whining about fairness rather than accepting we did a bad job. Even if everyone is against us why not give them less ammo? Why not make their job harder?

This is why the left loses control every time. Rank incompetence and reliance on nonsense about media bias.

Can you explain why this post is any different to what I am saying?

 

[Astute]

No. He's been spot on taking the government to task but he's wrong about this.
It is possible to agree with someone on one subject but not another.

Yeah agree with him when he says what you do but call him a twat when he doesn't.

 

[David O'Day]

There was nothing wrong with the snug in the cottage.

Not as a concept no there isn't

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[shmmeee]

Can you explain why this post is any different to what I am saying?

I dunno. What are you saying?

 

[David O'Day]

Really interesting

Third of hospitalised Covid-19 patients in UK have died, study finds

James Gallagher

Health and science correspondent, BBC News

The biggest study of Covid-19 patients in the UK shows a third admitted to hospital have died.

Just under half have been discharged, with the rest still being treated.

Prof Calum Semple, the chief investigator from the University of Liverpool, said the "crude hospital fatality rate is of the same magnitude as Ebola".

He said around 35-40% of hospitalised Ebola patients die.

"People need to hear this... this is an incredibly dangerous disease."

Nearly 17,000 patients from 166 hospitals were part of the study. Obesity and age both increased the risk of death.

The study also confirmed that men are more likely to have severe disease, and the gap between outcomes for men and women gets wider with age.

Ebola will put a far greater percentage of people who have it hospital. According to the WHO figures ebola has a mortality rate of around 50 percent.

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[clint van damme]

Yeah agree with him when he says what you do but call him a twat when he doesn't.

So what?
I don't like him . But I think he's been right regarding governments handling of the crisis.
Probably the only thing I've agreed with him on.
But I'll judge each of his arguements on merit. Doubt I'll ever warm to him though.

Can't see past his phone hacking g antics.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Ebola will put a far greater percentage of people who have it hospital. According to the WHO figures ebola has a mortality rate of around 50 percent.

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Interesting though - if you go to hospital about 1 in 3 chance of not going home

 

[shmmeee]

Agree with this, Labour needs to be a lot more focused on the policy intention and go with that rather than going with the underlying detail. Then again, you've got to remember that this isn't a level playing field, what Tories say is generally taken by the media at face value whereas Labour is always subject to more scrutiny.

Thats not an excuse to not do the basics though. I’m an ugly fucker. When I go on the pull the odds are stacked against me. All the more reason to get my hygiene spot on and dress well. I can’t go out stinking of piss and wearing a bin bag then come home and whine about “snakes with tits being shallow and it’s not a level playing field with all these handsome men around”.

I just wish the left would elect someone who does the basics. Fucking 100 page manifesto. Pure masturbation.

 

[David O'Day]

Interesting though - if you go to hospital about 1 in 3 chance of not going home

But to compare it to ebola is scaremongering. You catch ebola you have a 1 n 2 chance of dying.

Study seems a little small as well. You could just compare hospitalised people with hospital deaths. These are figures that are published each day.

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[Astute]

So what?
I don't like him . But I think he's been right regarding governments handling of the crisis.
Probably the only thing I've agreed with him on.
But I'll judge each of his arguements on merit. Doubt I'll ever warm to him though.

Can't see past his phone hacking g antics.

So you can't see past his phone hacking unless he is having a go at the Tories?

Yes he is right to have a go at the Tories. But some put him forward as a hero fir saying so. There are much better people speaking the truth about the Tories.

 

[Astute]

I dunno. What are you saying?

You say the same as myself but have a go at my posts when I say the same.

 

[Astute]

Interesting though - if you go to hospital about 1 in 3 chance of not going home

People stay at home until really bad. Most suffer in silence or hardly show any symptoms if any.

 

[clint van damme]

So you can't see past his phone hacking unless he is having a go at the Tories?

Yes he is right to have a go at the Tories. But some put him forward as a hero fir saying so. There are much better people speaking the truth about the Tories.

Do you ever read posts correctly?

I can't see past his phone hacking full stop but if I think he's right I'll say so.

Do you only agree with someone based on whether you like them?

Who are these 'better people' you're referring to?

 

[Astute]

Thats not an excuse to not do the basics though. I’m an ugly fucker. When I go on the pull the odds are stacked against me. All the more reason to get my hygiene spot on and dress well. I can’t go out stinking of piss and wearing a bin bag then come home and whine about “snakes with tits being shallow and it’s not a level playing field with all these handsome men around”.

I just wish the left would elect someone who does the basics. Fucking 100 page manifesto. Pure masturbation.

Straight bullet points on what would change. Numbers are just that. Numbers.

Look at Boris. He had a shit message. But it was a clear message. Those who wanted what he said knew what he said.

 

[Astute]

Do you ever read posts correctly?

I can't see past his phone hacking full stop but if I think he's right I'll say so.

Do you only agree with someone based on whether you like them?

Who are these 'better people' you're referring to?

Yes I do read properly.

You can't see past his phone hacking full stop unless he says what you agree with.

Better people? Would take a lot to be worse. Or are you saying everyone is in praise of the Tories and nobody says anything bad about them?

 

[shmmeee]

You say the same as myself but have a go at my posts when I say the same.

I don’t recall having a go at you? Whatever I’m not here to feed your victim complex.

 

[Astute]

I don’t recall having a go at you? Whatever I’m not here to feed your victim complex.

Victim complex? Here we go again.

I suppose this isn't having a go. The line thrown about frequently.

How far back would you like me to go?

 

[clint van damme]

Yes I do read properly.

You can't see past his phone hacking full stop unless he says what you agree with.

Better people? Would take a lot to be worse. Or are you saying everyone is in praise of the Tories and nobody says anything bad about them?

Are you mad?
What you suggesting is because I don't like the man I should disagree with him when I think he's right about something?

Same ad when I occasionally agree with a Tory minister. Are you saying I shouldn't because I don't like them or normally disagree with them? Fucking hell!

 

[clint van damme]

Victim complex? Here we go again.

I suppose this isn't having a go. The line thrown about frequently.

How far back would you like me to go?

He's right. You do come across as having a victim complex.

 

[Ian1779]

Which I said at the time but most on here said he was doing the right thing. Now they say differently.

Not me on that one.

 

[Astute]

Are you mad?
What you suggesting is because I don't like the man I should disagree with him when I think he's right about something?

Same ad when I occasionally agree with a Tory minister. Are you saying I shouldn't because I don't like them or normally disagree with them? Fucking hell!

Saying that you can never see someone past a certain thing they have done in the past and then comparing them with someone who the only thing they have done wrong is come from a different political party is a good comparison.

If I can't get past something someone has done or said in the past I won't keep quoting them on anything.

 

[Astute]

Not me on that one.

I agree. One of the rare ones on here who has been consistent.

 

[skybluetony176]

Saying that you can never see someone past a certain thing they have done in the past and then comparing them with someone who the only thing they have done wrong is come from a different political party is a good comparison.

If I can't get past something someone has done or said in the past I won't keep quoting them on anything.

So. If Piers Morgan said 2 + 2 = 4 would you deliberately disagree with him and say it equals 5 just because you don’t like him?

 

[clint van damme]

Saying that you can never see someone past a certain thing they have done in the past and then comparing them with someone who the only thing they have done wrong is come from a different political party is a good comparison.

If I can't get past something someone has done or said in the past I won't keep quoting them on anything.

I don't keep quoting Piers Morgan.
Others do. When his detractors pipe up I just offer my opinion that on this matter I think he's right.

Youre done more to keep his name alive in this thread than anyone.

 

[clint van damme]

So. If Piers Morgan said 2 + 2 = 4 would you deliberately disagree with him and say it equals 5 just because you don’t like him?

I think we both know the answer to that!!

 

[Astute]

I don't keep quoting Piers Morgan.
Others do. When his detractors pipe up I just offer my opinion that on this matter I think he's right.

Youre done more to keep his name alive in this thread than anyone.

Have I? I don't post on here much anymore. Mostly because of the double standards. When I look and catch up these days he gets constantly quoted.

So what have his detractors said?

 

[skybluetony176]

I think we both know the answer to that!!

So when I say it equals 4 you disagree with me (even though you didn’t) but once Piers Morgan says it equals four it equals four. Double standards.

Either that or...

Its 22

 

[clint van damme]

So what have his detractors said?

Read the thread.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Do you ever read posts correctly?

I can't see past his phone hacking full stop but if I think he's right I'll say so.

Do you only agree with someone based on whether you like them?

Who are these 'better people' you're referring to?

I can only guess you're responding to obtuse. I've put him on ignore now thank christ.

 

[Grendel]

I agree. One of the rare ones on here who has been consistent.

You are very consistent to be fair

 

[Grendel]

I can only guess you're responding to obtuse. I've put him on ignore now thank christ.

Yeah smart move he’s right on form