Why actually meet a target when you can fudge the figures.Interesting piece on how testing numbers have risen so quickly: Revealed: How government changed the rules to hit 100,000 tests target
The government has changed the way it is counting the number of covid-19 tests carried out in a bid to hit its target of 100,000 tests per day by the end of April, HSJ can reveal.
Previously, a test would be counted once the sample had been processed in laboratories. But this definition has been changed in the last few days, a senior source told HSJ.
The Department of Health and Social Care is now including tests that have been posted or delivered to people’s homes in its figures. This means tests which are sent to people are counted before the recipient has provided and returned their sample to a laboratory.
It could be and it could be not. Not everyone who went to Cheltenham came from the town, in fact most did not.Oh so it's only someone's view that a little over 3 weeks after Cheltenham Festival that the town itself recorded the highest number of hospital admissions in the country? I don't need a scientific study to prove my point David.
It could be and it could be not. Not everyone who went to Cheltenham came from the town, in fact most did not.
A large number of the crowd were Irish and there has not been a representative spike there that can be attributed to the festival.
An increased number of cases is not a correlation and certainly not a causation.
I'm sure someone will look at the festival and study it but until then there is not a study to back up your assertion.
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I rekon 20-30% have had it already and it’s been around since December but who knowsAnyone willing to speculate how many have actually died from this over the six weeks and what that means on what % of the population have had it ?
Was it funded before 10 years ago?I find it very unfortunate that they argued for austerity on the basis of 'we can't burden the next generation with debt' when the failure to fund anything properly for 10 years is coming home to roost
Economic growth is needed as if the economy doesn't grow people and society get poorer.
Why shouldn't tests being done at home be counted as a test being done? Was there a statement saying what kind of tests would count?Why actually meet a target when you can fudge the figures.
Why shouldn't tests being done at home be counted
I rekon 20-30% have had it already and it’s been around since December but who knows
I read the article. They are counting them as soon as they send them out and not when the tests are taken. But how would they know what day they are taken?have you read the article?
They're counting tests that haven't even been dispatched. That means the test hasn't taken place.
Because if the economy doesn't go we all get poorer.Why? Economy has grown here, people can afford less. Got more people using foodbanks etc than ever before. Current generation is expected to be worse off than their parents but we've had an incredible amount of economic growth over that period.
Plus economy can grow but health/wellbeing gets worse - we are 'poorer' as a society and individuals. Economy is growing but life expectancy may well be getting shorter.
Economic growth is only useful if it's relatively even across the whole of society. If certain sections are getting 10% growth while others are getting 1% average figures look fine but majority of people could be worse off.
Those who tend to do best from economic growth are usually those who don't give a shit about society. How much tax dodging goes on by those that have the best growth? Society suffers as a result.
Judged or falsifiedWill any of the journalists actually ask them why they have judged the test figures
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FudgedJudged or falsified
I read the article. They are counting them as soon as they send them out and not when the tests are taken. But how would they know what day they are taken?
I don't know about 20 or 30% but I think it's been here well before the first recorded case as well.
It's scandalous, judging from Jon Ashworth on twitter he will be bringing this upThey're are also counting tests that haven't been sent out. How can that be right?
I would suggest counting those returned to the lab but either way, as CD said, it's a fudge.
Yep which is why a target is silly and increasing to the highest level and not having to lie about it is brilliant. This is sillyTo be fair, I didn’t expect them to get anywhere near so whether the testing capacity is now 80k, 90k or 150k per day, all I know is it’s far better than it was a month ago.
I’ve always felt its a widely available accurate antibody test that we/everyone needs (assuming level of immunity post contagion), or high testing capacity to be working in conjunction with the tracing/tracking app. Hopefully both are on their way
Ps think I just heard 122k were ‘carried out’ yesterday...wonder if a load of randoms will receive one in the post tomorrow...whether they wanted it or not ! Either way, to get the capacity to a decent level in a month is a positive
Im the opposite. No way has it been here longer without us knowing, the contact tracing at the start was excellent and credited with buying us extra time so I doubt they missed it by months.
As for how many have had it, IIRC NYC have done large scale antibody testing and came back with 20-30% so I think that’s a reasonable estimate somewhere like London and maybe central Brum, probably a bit less in the less densely populated areas.
All guesswork though.
Yep which is why a target is silly and increasing to the highest level and not having to lie about it is brilliant. This is silly
To be fair, I didn’t expect them to get anywhere near so whether the testing capacity is now 80k, 90k or 150k per day, all I know is it’s far better than it was a month ago.
I’ve always felt its a widely available accurate antibody test that we/everyone needs (assuming level of immunity post contagion), or high testing capacity to be working in conjunction with the tracing/tracking app. Hopefully both are on their way
Ps think I just heard 122k were ‘carried out’ yesterday...wonder if a load of randoms will receive one in the post tomorrow...whether they wanted it or not ! Either way, to get the capacity to a decent level in a month is a positive
It won't be randoms
Apparently they sent a letter to every over 65 in the Tory party asking them to apply for the test. Once they've received the application they're counting that as a test.
Over 65s in the Tories? I belive it's around the 90 thousand mark!
Ask grenners he will have received oneI was kidding about the randoms. As I say the important thing is having the capacity there (to be utilised properly) in future
ps what did your letter say mate ?! ; )
First known case according to China, was in November.Im the opposite. No way has it been here longer without us knowing, the contact tracing at the start was excellent and credited with buying us extra time so I doubt they missed it by months.
As for how many have had it, IIRC NYC have done large scale antibody testing and came back with 20-30% so I think that’s a reasonable estimate somewhere like London and maybe central Brum, probably a bit less in the less densely populated areas.
All guesswork though.
First known case according to China, was in November.
Now what's the chances it was around a little earlier in Wuhan, and the Chinese are being a bit economical with the truth. It's quite likely imo.
October 2019 the world military games was held in Wuhan. Representatives from 140 countries were there. Over 9000 participants, that's not including support staff etc.
I'd say it could be a distinct possibility someone may have picked up the virus unknowingly, been asymptomatic, at brought it home far earlier than we all originally thought.
May of course be pie in the sky, but it's possible.
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Different strains maybe? Maybe it mutated? I don't know, as I say, could be pie in the sky. Doubt we'll ever know the whole truth.Doesn’t explain why we didn’t see an outbreak until March though. The virus didn’t get more contagious recently so if it was around then it should’ve been ripping through the country killing thousands and it wasn’t.
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