Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (5 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

Hope someone asks what they have learned from other countries

 

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[David O'Day]

Judged or falsified

Fudged

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[CCFCSteve]

To be fair, I didn’t expect them to get anywhere near so whether the testing capacity is now 80k, 90k or 150k per day, all I know is it’s far better than it was a month ago.

I’ve always felt its a widely available accurate antibody test that we/everyone needs (assuming level of immunity post contagion), or high testing capacity to be working in conjunction with the tracing/tracking app. Hopefully both are on their way

Ps think I just heard 122k were ‘carried out’ yesterday...wonder if a load of randoms will receive one in the post tomorrow...whether they wanted it or not ! Either way, to get the capacity to a decent level in a month is a positive

 

[clint van damme]

I read the article. They are counting them as soon as they send them out and not when the tests are taken. But how would they know what day they are taken?

They're are also counting tests that haven't been sent out. How can that be right?

I would suggest counting those returned to the lab but either way, as CD said, it's a fudge.

 

[shmmeee]

I don't know about 20 or 30% but I think it's been here well before the first recorded case as well.

Im the opposite. No way has it been here longer without us knowing, the contact tracing at the start was excellent and credited with buying us extra time so I doubt they missed it by months.

As for how many have had it, IIRC NYC have done large scale antibody testing and came back with 20-30% so I think that’s a reasonable estimate somewhere like London and maybe central Brum, probably a bit less in the less densely populated areas.


All guesswork though.

 

[David O'Day]

They're are also counting tests that haven't been sent out. How can that be right?

I would suggest counting those returned to the lab but either way, as CD said, it's a fudge.

It's scandalous, judging from Jon Ashworth on twitter he will be bringing this up

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[Sky Blue Pete]

To be fair, I didn’t expect them to get anywhere near so whether the testing capacity is now 80k, 90k or 150k per day, all I know is it’s far better than it was a month ago.

I’ve always felt its a widely available accurate antibody test that we/everyone needs (assuming level of immunity post contagion), or high testing capacity to be working in conjunction with the tracing/tracking app. Hopefully both are on their way

Ps think I just heard 122k were ‘carried out’ yesterday...wonder if a load of randoms will receive one in the post tomorrow...whether they wanted it or not ! Either way, to get the capacity to a decent level in a month is a positive

Yep which is why a target is silly and increasing to the highest level and not having to lie about it is brilliant. This is silly

 

[clint van damme]

Im the opposite. No way has it been here longer without us knowing, the contact tracing at the start was excellent and credited with buying us extra time so I doubt they missed it by months.

As for how many have had it, IIRC NYC have done large scale antibody testing and came back with 20-30% so I think that’s a reasonable estimate somewhere like London and maybe central Brum, probably a bit less in the less densely populated areas.


All guesswork though.

Looking at the facts there is nothing to suggest it was here earlier.
Looking at the anecdotal evidence? I know or know of so many people who were ill with similar symptoms including 2 who were hospitalised. But, yeah, if that was the case then surely it would have spread like wildfire through January

 

[CCFCSteve]

Yep which is why a target is silly and increasing to the highest level and not having to lie about it is brilliant. This is silly

Agreed. Made a massive rod for his own back which under the current circumstances just wasn’t necessary. Good that the capacity is now there but as I say, only really if it’s used correctly (nhs, care homes and their families etc but then over an above that really the main benefit is in conjunction with the trace and track app/process)

 

[clint van damme]

To be fair, I didn’t expect them to get anywhere near so whether the testing capacity is now 80k, 90k or 150k per day, all I know is it’s far better than it was a month ago.

I’ve always felt its a widely available accurate antibody test that we/everyone needs (assuming level of immunity post contagion), or high testing capacity to be working in conjunction with the tracing/tracking app. Hopefully both are on their way

Ps think I just heard 122k were ‘carried out’ yesterday...wonder if a load of randoms will receive one in the post tomorrow...whether they wanted it or not ! Either way, to get the capacity to a decent level in a month is a positive

It won't be randoms

Apparently they sent a letter to every over 65 in the Tory party asking them to apply for the test. Once they've received the application they're counting that as a test.

Over 65s in the Tories? I belive it's around the 90 thousand mark!

 

[CCFCSteve]

It won't be randoms

Apparently they sent a letter to every over 65 in the Tory party asking them to apply for the test. Once they've received the application they're counting that as a test.

Over 65s in the Tories? I belive it's around the 90 thousand mark!

I was kidding about the randoms. As I say the important thing is having the capacity there (to be utilised properly) in future

ps what did your letter say mate ?! ; )

 

[David O'Day]

I was kidding about the randoms. As I say the important thing is having the capacity there (to be utilised properly) in future

ps what did your letter say mate ?! ; )

Ask grenners he will have received one

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[covmark]

Im the opposite. No way has it been here longer without us knowing, the contact tracing at the start was excellent and credited with buying us extra time so I doubt they missed it by months.

As for how many have had it, IIRC NYC have done large scale antibody testing and came back with 20-30% so I think that’s a reasonable estimate somewhere like London and maybe central Brum, probably a bit less in the less densely populated areas.


All guesswork though.

First known case according to China, was in November.
Now what's the chances it was around a little earlier in Wuhan, and the Chinese are being a bit economical with the truth. It's quite likely imo.
October 2019 the world military games was held in Wuhan. Representatives from 140 countries were there. Over 9000 participants, that's not including support staff etc.

I'd say it could be a distinct possibility someone may have picked up the virus unknowingly, been asymptomatic, at brought it home far earlier than we all originally thought.

May of course be pie in the sky, but it's possible.


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[shmmeee]

First known case according to China, was in November.
Now what's the chances it was around a little earlier in Wuhan, and the Chinese are being a bit economical with the truth. It's quite likely imo.
October 2019 the world military games was held in Wuhan. Representatives from 140 countries were there. Over 9000 participants, that's not including support staff etc.

I'd say it could be a distinct possibility someone may have picked up the virus unknowingly, been asymptomatic, at brought it home far earlier than we all originally thought.

May of course be pie in the sky, but it's possible.


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Doesn’t explain why we didn’t see an outbreak until March though. The virus didn’t get more contagious recently so if it was around then it should’ve been ripping through the country killing thousands and it wasn’t.

 

[covmark]

Doesn’t explain why we didn’t see an outbreak until March though. The virus didn’t get more contagious recently so if it was around then it should’ve been ripping through the country killing thousands and it wasn’t.

Different strains maybe? Maybe it mutated? I don't know, as I say, could be pie in the sky. Doubt we'll ever know the whole truth.

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[CCFCSteve]

Sam Coates (sky) got the question in ! 27k home kits and 12k via satallites (not sure what that means) so about 40k tests sent out. So sounds like they’ve completed about 80k in the labs etc. Decent enough and good to see that daily capacity is there for the coming weeks/months

 

[wingy]

 

[Skybluefaz]

Lying fuckers.
Tbf it's not the lying because that's like saying water is wet. It's the smugness that Hancock delivers it with.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Anyone willing to speculate how many have actually died from this over the six weeks and what that means on what % of the population have had it ?

No

 

[wingy]

Selco is opening next week. The trades are all getting back to it

I better get down there

I have a.million tasks need sorting .
I'll give Hancock a call ,he seems to have exceptional talents

 

[wingy]

Lying fuckers.
Tbf it's not the lying because that's like saying water is wet. It's the smugness that Hancock delivers it with.

It's semantics really.
But he did shoot his mouth off
It is definitely not an easy gig but he offers up many excuses along with jam tomorrow type statements plus a touch of mendacity.

 

[wingy]

Doesn’t explain why we didn’t see an outbreak until March though. The virus didn’t get more contagious recently so if it was around then it should’ve been ripping through the country killing thousands and it wasn’t.

Two strain's S and L?

 

[wingy]

Different strains maybe? Maybe it mutated? I don't know, as I say, could be pie in the sky. Doubt we'll ever know the whole truth.

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I wonder if the email to con party members over the age of 65 swung it .

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Was it funded before 10 years ago?

More than it was afterwards buddy, I don't think anyone could argue otherwise

 

[Skybluefaz]

It's semantics really.
But he did shoot his mouth off
It is definitely not an easy gig but he offers up many excuses along with jam tomorrow type statements plus a touch of mendacity.

They didn't manage what they officially said they were going to do

 

[chiefdave]

They didn't manage what they officially said they were going to do

Not even particularly close to the target. 73,191 people tested.

Be interesting to see how the numbers hold up, are they going to mail out tens of thousands every day to artificially keep the number high or are they hoping people won't notice if it drops back down again?

 

[Astute]

They're are also counting tests that haven't been sent out. How can that be right?

I would suggest counting those returned to the lab but either way, as CD said, it's a fudge.

I have only seen them counting the tests when sent out as I stated earlier.

 

[Astute]

More than it was afterwards buddy, I don't think anyone could argue otherwise

So what stocks did we have?

We have done nothing but consider it for a very ling time. Yes it includes Labour but also the Tories for a lot more than 10 years. But as usual many only want to count the last 10 years.

 

[Astute]

Not even particularly close to the target. 73,191 people tested.

Be interesting to see how the numbers hold up, are they going to mail out tens of thousands every day to artificially keep the number high or are they hoping people won't notice if it drops back down again?

They just needed to hit the target by the end of the month. Then they will come out with their excuses like they could have tested 100,000 but they were not needed.

 

[shmmeee]

I think testing numbers is a bit of a red herring TBH. What matters is do we have the testing infrastructure to do contract tracing and testing to lift lockdown more. For that we need testing in the places it’s needed not just tests full stop. I think if nothing else the Hancock target has focused minds on capacity and now to look at how that capacity can be used to practically help us out of lockdown.

 

[CCFCSteve]

They just needed to hit the target by the end of the month. Then they will come out with their excuses like they could have tested 100,000 but they were not needed.

I’m pretty sure I’ve read Germany utilise nowhere near their daily/weekly capacity. If you’re mainly testing people who (think they’ve) ‘got it’ and you’re testing 100k+ a day, you’re probably going to either be testing the same people on repeat (health/social care workers) or you’re fucked !

Nice to have the capacity (turning around large numbers of tests, quickly, all over the country) if its required but hope it’s not

As mentioned, rolling out a reliable antibody test is a different matter

 

[chiefdave]

Different strains maybe? Maybe it mutated? I don't know, as I say, could be pie in the sky. Doubt we'll ever know the whole truth.

They've been testing in Iceland and seem to think there's different strains and somehow they've traced them back to which countries they came into Iceland from.
Iceland lab testing suggests 50% of coronavirus cases are asymptomatic - CNN
Although I don't think that accounts for a strain that could have swept through the country without anyone noticing.

 

[wingy]

They've been testing in Iceland and seem to think there's different strains and somehow they've traced them back to which countries they came into Iceland from.
Iceland lab testing suggests 50% of coronavirus cases are asymptomatic - CNN
Although I don't think that accounts for a strain that could have swept through the country without anyone noticing.

Yes this is a theory that each little mutation is like a geotag.
Roughly one a month they think

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

It's going to be fun watching the government pretend they have hit the 100k test figure

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Hardly pretend is it, we have hit it with 122k tests

 

[Juice Terry]

It is pretend Dim, these are not tests that have been completed. The point of care swab is only first stage. I bet the Tories love having such stupidly unquestioning 'support'.