Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (8 Viewers)

[Grendel]

For anyone who is interested here is a link to German rules on mask wearing and the associated fines

Germans could be fined up to €10,000 as face mask rules brought in

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No fines in many areas then - cool

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

We've got a parliament that couldn't sort out a Withdrawal Agreement for three years and they expect teachers to completely revolutionise their method of teaching (often without having the technical knowledge of how to do it) in a few days. Whilst also continuing to have to do the traditional method for key workers.

My workload now is insane and my school did at least try to prepare people in the basics of how to teach remotely but preparing a lesson takes longer now, chasing people for work who can't be arsed, and trying to mark all the work online means I'm staring at a screen nearly all day. Routinely going to sleep at 2-3 am to try and keep on top of it but yet some school leaders are arguing for a shortened summer holiday. Other half is doing it too so we're snappy and irritable all the time

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Even without this shit storm there’s little tangible proof that austerity even worked and actually capital investment through borrowing would have stimulated the economy and and had a more positive effect in cutting the debt.

They seemed to enjoy it and were obviously told to keep saying 'difficult decision' and 'we're in it together' while attempting to dismantle the public sector as much as possible

 

[David O'Day]

You were lying weren't you?! Shame on you.

Certain actions......wait for it......in public. Why are you calling it certain actions anyway? Are you trying to prove your point by claiming that public transport and publicly accessible shops don't count as going out in public?

Look I know you are trying to save face here but this is the long and short of it.

You claimed that you would be fined 10k for not wearing a mask in public.

This is incorrect as you can leave you house and walk about in puic while not wearing a mask and not get in trouble. If you want to use public transport or enter certain shops you will have to put on a mask to enter or use them. You're rather pathetic claims that because public transport us outside this is equal to all of the public spaces in Germany is laughable.

Secondly on further reading the fines start at 25 euros and any larger fines are not going to be levied against individuals without masks on but in fact shop owners whose staff don't wear masks if required.

End of fucking story mate

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[Grendel]

Look I know you are trying to save face here but this is the long and short of it.

You claimed that you would be fined 10k for not wearing a mask in public.

This is incorrect as you can leave you house and walk about in puic while not wearing a mask and not get in trouble. If you want to use public transport or enter certain shops you will have to put on a mask to enter or use them. You're rather pathetic claims that because public transport us outside this is equal to all of the public spaces in Germany is laughable.

Secondly on further reading the fines start at 25 euros and any larger fines are not going to be levied against individuals without masks on but in fact shop owners whose staff don't wear masks if required.

End of fucking story mate

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No David some places so no fines perhaps more reading is required. It seems you are suffering from Astute Syndrome - soon you’ll be putting a clapped out banger as you’d avatar and making a thousand posts on the Sunderland forum

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Look I know you are trying to save face here but this is the long and short of it.

You claimed that you would be fined 10k for not wearing a mask in public.

This is incorrect as you can leave you house and walk about in puic while not wearing a mask and not get in trouble. If you want to use public transport or enter certain shops you will have to put on a mask to enter or use them. You're rather pathetic claims that because public transport us outside this is equal to all of the public spaces in Germany is laughable.

Secondly on further reading the fines start at 25 euros and any larger fines are not going to be levied against individuals without masks on but in fact shop owners whose staff don't wear masks if required.

End of fucking story mate

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Laughable? Do you remember when you tried to claim you were more likely to catch Covid in your local pub than in a packed football stadium because pubs are inside and apparently the entirety of a football stadium is outside?

And public transport and shops are where? Come on David you can get this I know you can. I'll give you a clue to get you started....out in.....(starts with a p ends in c)

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Economic Growth is still needed as if we dont see economic growth then we all get poorer.

The issue is that GDP growth has become tired and rather outdated as a sole indicator of economic prosperity.

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I agree with you overall - some economic growth is probably necessary but it should be one factor of many.

But it doesn't necessarily mean that if we don't see economic growth we get poorer. If everything continues to cost the same then growth isn't needed - we just need to change what we spend it on to be more efficient. Companies up prices because they say costs like wages are going up. People say they need wage increases because costs are going up.

Part of that is we need to have a concerted effort at looking at over-population. Pretty much everything that causes problems you can trace back to it.

 

[David O'Day]

Laughable? Do you remember when you tried to claim you were more likely to catch Covid in your local pub than in a packed football stadium because pubs are inside and apparently the entirety of a football stadium is outside?

And public transport and shops are where? Come on David you can get this I know you can. I'll give you a clue to get you started....out in.....(starts with a p ends in c)

Yes and medically that is still a fact that large concerts and events are considered low risk. Got a scientific study yo say this is wrong'?

It's laughable because you stated you would be fined for going out in public without a mask. This is not true as you can go out in public without a mask. It's rather sad to see you trying to say being fined for not wearing a mask on a bus is the same as being fined for not wearing on in public. If the German rules said you could ne fined for not wearing a mask in public you would need to wear a mask as soon as you left your house.

This is rather sad but completely not unexpected from the likes of you.

You were wrong, own it.



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[David O'Day]

I agree with you overall - some economic growth is probably necessary but it should be one factor of many.

But it doesn't necessarily mean that if we don't see economic growth we get poorer. If everything continues to cost the same then growth isn't needed - we just need to change what we spend it on to be more efficient. Companies up prices because they say costs like wages are going up. People say they need wage increases because costs are going up.

Part of that is we need to have a concerted effort at looking at over-population. Pretty much everything that causes problems you can trace back to it.

Economic growth is needed as if the economy doesn't grow people and society get poorer.

Economic growth is not on indicator

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[Grendel]

Yes and medically that is still a fact that large concerts and events are considered low risk. Got a scientific study yo say this is wrong'?

It's laughable because you stated you would be fined for going out in public without a mask. This is not true as you can go out in public without a mask. It's rather sad to see you trying to say being fined for not wearing a mask on a bus is the same as being fined for not wearing on in public. If the German rules said you could ne fined for not wearing a mask in public you would need to wear a mask as soon as you left your house.

This is rather sad but completely not unexpected from the likes of you.

You were wrong, own it.



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You can’t read - own it

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Yes and medically that is still a fact that large concerts and events are considered low risk. Got a scientific study yo say this is wrong'?

It's laughable because you stated you would be fined for going out in public without a mask. This is not true as you can go out in public without a mask. It's rather sad to see you trying to say being fined for not wearing a mask on a bus is the same as being fined for not wearing on in public. If the German rules said you could ne fined for not wearing a mask in public you would need to wear a mask as soon as you left your house.

This is rather sad but completely not unexpected from the likes of you.

You were wrong, own it.



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Have you got a scientific study to say that's right? Let me ask you this then, did you believe that you would've been less likely to catch Covid at Cheltenham than your local pub as that's more or less mostly outside?

But you will get fined for going out in public without a mask? I personally define going out in public with going out into shops, cafes, pubs, going on public transport. Considering pubs and cafes aren't open I guess that reduces my definition of going out in public but it still applies.

There's nothing to own.

 

[David O'Day]

Have you got a scientific study to say that's right? Let me ask you this then, did you believe that you would've been less likely to catch Covid at Cheltenham than your local pub as that's more or less mostly outside?

But you will get fined for going out in public without a mask? I personally define going out in public with going out to shops, cafes, pubs, going on public transport. Considering pubs and cafes aren't open I guess that reduces my definition of going out in public but it still applies.

There's nothing to own.

As there are very many activities that are out in public and you don't have to wear a mask for that is point 1 you were wrong on.

As the fine for not wearing a mask isn't 10k that is point 2 you are wrong on.

As you will not always get fined that is point 3 you are wrong on.


With regards to public gatherings I'll take the words of sage over a weirdo that is currently digging himself large hole on a city forum.

Unless you can prove them wrong that is?

You were wrong and tried to style it out but alas you looked like a plum.

Until you can show me I'm wrong I'll just giggle at you as I have work to be doing

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[SkyBlueCRJ]

As there are very many activities that are out in public and you don't have to wear a mask for that is point 1 you were wrong on.

As the fine for not wearing a mask isn't 10k that is point 2 you are wrong on.

As you will not always get fined that is point 3 you are wrong on.


With regards to public gatherings I'll take the words of sage over a weirdo that is currently digging himself large hole on a city forum.

Unless you can prove them wrong that is?

You were wrong and tried to style it out but alas you looked like a plum.

Until you can show me I'm wrong I'll just giggle at you as I have work to be doing

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How can you define my personal definition of going out in public? Again, I'm not wrong as I said that Germans could be fined up to €10,000 for not wearing a face mask - which I reiterated from the Guardian. What hole am I digging myself and you haven't answered my question - although it was rhetorical so I'm more than happy to let that slide. Well yes I can because former Chief Scientific Advisor David King has said that Cheltenham was the best way possible to spread Covid. Also, areas surrounding Cheltenham racecourse have been hit by quite badly by Covid-19 with 181 fatalities just in local hospitals and god knows how many cases - Cheltenham actually had the highest number of coronavirus hospital admissions in the county as of 3 April. There were also reports of race-goers falling in after attending the festival up and down the country.

But yeah your local is the true death trap because it's indoors.

 

[David O'Day]

You do realise that one person's view is not a scientific study? You do don't you?

Now just admit you have made yourself look foolish and move on. People are laughing now.



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[David O'Day]

It seems the government have changed how they record testing figures to try and make it look like they are hitting targets.

Originally a twdt was counted once ig had been taken but now they are counting tests that have been despatched but not yet taken.

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[shmmeee]

Interesting piece on how testing numbers have risen so quickly: Revealed: How government changed the rules to hit 100,000 tests target

 

[Grendel]

You do realise that one person's view is not a scientific study? You do don't you?

Now just admit you have made yourself look foolish and move on. People are laughing now.



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Who is laughing

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

You do realise that one person's view is not a scientific study? You do don't you?

Now just admit you have made yourself look foolish and move on. People are laughing now.



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Oh so it's only someone's view that a little over 3 weeks after Cheltenham Festival that the town itself recorded the highest number of hospital admissions in the country? I don't need a scientific study to prove my point David.

 

[chiefdave]

Interesting piece on how testing numbers have risen so quickly: Revealed: How government changed the rules to hit 100,000 tests target

Why actually meet a target when you can fudge the figures.

The government has changed the way it is counting the number of covid-19 tests carried out in a bid to hit its target of 100,000 tests per day by the end of April, HSJ can reveal.

Previously, a test would be counted once the sample had been processed in laboratories. But this definition has been changed in the last few days, a senior source told HSJ.

The Department of Health and Social Care is now including tests that have been posted or delivered to people’s homes in its figures. This means tests which are sent to people are counted before the recipient has provided and returned their sample to a laboratory.

 

[David O'Day]

Oh so it's only someone's view that a little over 3 weeks after Cheltenham Festival that the town itself recorded the highest number of hospital admissions in the country? I don't need a scientific study to prove my point David.

It could be and it could be not. Not everyone who went to Cheltenham came from the town, in fact most did not.

A large number of the crowd were Irish and there has not been a representative spike there that can be attributed to the festival.

An increased number of cases is not a correlation and certainly not a causation.

I'm sure someone will look at the festival and study it but until then there is not a study to back up your assertion.

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[SkyBlueCRJ]

It could be and it could be not. Not everyone who went to Cheltenham came from the town, in fact most did not.

A large number of the crowd were Irish and there has not been a representative spike there that can be attributed to the festival.

An increased number of cases is not a correlation and certainly not a causation.

I'm sure someone will look at the festival and study it but until then there is not a study to back up your assertion.

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This was in the Guardian on 21st April. Mortality figures have show that Gloucestershire hospitals NHS trust, which covers Cheltenham, has recorded 125 deaths, roughly double that in two nearby trusts at Bristol (58 each), and those covering Swindon (67) and Bath (46).

It's not just my assertion though it's the assertion of experts and former medical advisors who have far more knowledge on the subject than you or I. Yet it's you that seems to be the only one that is claiming plausible deniability.

Do you suffer from Atychiphobia?

 

[wingy]

Anyone willing to speculate how many have actually died from this over the six weeks and what that means on what % of the population have had it ?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Anyone willing to speculate how many have actually died from this over the six weeks and what that means on what % of the population have had it ?

I rekon 20-30% have had it already and it’s been around since December but who knows

 

[Astute]

I find it very unfortunate that they argued for austerity on the basis of 'we can't burden the next generation with debt' when the failure to fund anything properly for 10 years is coming home to roost

Was it funded before 10 years ago?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Economic growth is needed as if the economy doesn't grow people and society get poorer.

Why? Economy has grown here, people can afford less. Got more people using foodbanks etc than ever before. Current generation is expected to be worse off than their parents but we've had an incredible amount of economic growth over that period.

Plus economy can grow but health/wellbeing gets worse - we are 'poorer' as a society and individuals. Economy is growing but life expectancy may well be getting shorter.

Economic growth is only useful if it's relatively even across the whole of society. If certain sections are getting 10% growth while others are getting 1% average figures look fine but majority of people could be worse off.

Those who tend to do best from economic growth are usually those who don't give a shit about society. How much tax dodging goes on by those that have the best growth? Society suffers as a result.

 

[Astute]

Why actually meet a target when you can fudge the figures.

Why shouldn't tests being done at home be counted as a test being done? Was there a statement saying what kind of tests would count?

 

[Nick]

Selco is opening next week. The trades are all getting back to it

 

[clint van damme]

Why shouldn't tests being done at home be counted

have you read the article?
They're counting tests that haven't even been dispatched. That means the test hasn't taken place.

 

[clint van damme]

I rekon 20-30% have had it already and it’s been around since December but who knows

I don't know about 20 or 30% but I think it's been here well before the first recorded case as well.

 

[Astute]

have you read the article?
They're counting tests that haven't even been dispatched. That means the test hasn't taken place.

I read the article. They are counting them as soon as they send them out and not when the tests are taken. But how would they know what day they are taken?

 

[David O'Day]

Why? Economy has grown here, people can afford less. Got more people using foodbanks etc than ever before. Current generation is expected to be worse off than their parents but we've had an incredible amount of economic growth over that period.

Plus economy can grow but health/wellbeing gets worse - we are 'poorer' as a society and individuals. Economy is growing but life expectancy may well be getting shorter.

Economic growth is only useful if it's relatively even across the whole of society. If certain sections are getting 10% growth while others are getting 1% average figures look fine but majority of people could be worse off.

Those who tend to do best from economic growth are usually those who don't give a shit about society. How much tax dodging goes on by those that have the best growth? Society suffers as a result.

Because if the economy doesn't go we all get poorer.

You are mixing up economic growth with economic equality.

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[David O'Day]

It's going to be fun watching the government pretend they have hit the 100k test figure

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Yay they’ve done it

 

[David O'Day]

Will any of the journalists actually ask them why they have judged the test figures

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Will any of the journalists actually ask them why they have judged the test figures

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Judged or falsified