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[Grendel]

Says a lot about you that.

Actually it says a lot about you and your selective views on oppression

 

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[Ian1779]

Actually it says a lot about you and your selective views on oppression

Care to elaborate?

 

[Grendel]

Care to elaborate?

Not really other than to say if the 1947 UN action had allocated treaties in reverse and the occupations had then occurred I don’t think guys be that bothered - and we all know Mr Livingston and his love child Mr Corbyn most certainly would not have been calling Hamas their buddies then

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not really other than to say if the 1947 UN action had allocated treaties in reverse and the occupations had then occurred I don’t think guys be that bothered - and we all know Mr Livingston and his love child Mr Corbyn most certainly would not have been calling Hamas their buddies then

Taking that to one aside Christ knows the situation in Gaza and the violation of international law in the West Bank is very well known-though Mr Netanyahu threatened New Zealand into trying to back down from declaring it so. Though your 'side' has been using anti-Semitism to shut down criticism of Israel for years

 

[Grendel]

Taking that to one aside Christ knows the situation in Gaza and the violation of international law in the West Bank is very well known-though Mr Netanyahu threatened New Zealand into trying to back down from declaring it so. Though your 'side' has been using anti-Semitism to shut down criticism of Israel for years

Deflection and whataboutery - always the same

 

[Ian1779]

Deflection and whataboutery - always the same

Your entire argument is based on whataboutery. Clearly you’re happy at turning a blind eye to an apartheid state.

 

[Grendel]

Your entire argument is based on whataboutery. Clearly you’re happy at turning a blind eye to an apartheid state.

So is yours and if Jews were on the receiving end your outrage would be very diluted because as we know racism is only defined by the left

 

[David O'Day]

You said no economic growth resulted in everyone getting poorer, thereby implying economic growth resulted in everyone getting richer. I've showed that isn't necessarily the case.

You can have a situation where you could have an overall economic retraction but most people becoming richer because they'd have more spending power because of who the retraction happens to.

It is an issue of equality but the statement that no economic growth will result in everyone getting poorer is not necessarily true.

Yes because if the economy does not grow the population still does and thus there are more people for the same amount of wealth.

You can not have an economic retraction and have most people rich as pet capita the wealth of the nation will.be smaller.

This is GCSE level stuff

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[David O'Day]

Anyone seen dom

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[Ian1779]

So is yours and if Jews were on the receiving end your outrage would be very diluted because as we know racism is only defined by the left

Jews are on the receiving end of it... maybe you need to be clear that you are on the side of the ‘right kind of Jews’

 

[skybluetony176]

Anyone seen dom

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Yes because if the economy does not grow the population still does and thus there are more people for the same amount of wealth.

You can not have an economic retraction and have most people rich as pet capita the wealth of the nation will.be smaller.

This is GCSE level stuff

Shame I did it to degree level then

Where does it say a population HAS to grow? Again, obsession with growth. Well known fact that population growth is the root cause of pretty much every single problem facing the world and reaches far far deeper than monetarily. So the issue shouldn't be focused on
economic growth for a growing population (which invariably ends up in the hands of the already wealthy and so the disparity makes society as a whole a worse place, or put another way 'poorer') it should focus on maintaining population levels (or in our case over time reducing them a bit to manageable levels).

The best times for improved pay/conditions/rights for the majority come right after massive population decrease like plague and wars because those that are left have a better bargaining position and are more valuable to the economy.

Take a disease. If it remains in your system at a low level so it doesn't overwhelm it it can stay alive in you indefinitely. It stays alive, you stay alive - everybody happy. If it goes mad and tries to grow exponentially it will end up killing you and thus itself unless it can spread to even further areas but eventually it's going to run out of hosts and die out anyway.

I'll break it down into easier numbers for you.

Say 10 people constitute a economy. 1 of them over the period in question loses £10k. The other nine gain £1k.

90% of the population have gained wealth yet the overall economy shrank by £1k. If that 1 person was also much richer than the rest already and could comparatively afford to lose that £10k it also improves the others wealth comparatively speaking as it is likely to increase their relative purchasing power and lead to a better more even society. You might even say it would enrich society

 

[skybluetony176]

So is yours and if Jews were on the receiving end your outrage would be very diluted because as we know racism is only defined by the left

Reed-Mogg seems very anti Semitic having called Jewish members of his own party the illuminati. How many Tory MP’s are currently under investigation for anti Semitism?

 

[David O'Day]

Shame I did it to degree level then

Where does it say a population HAS to grow? Again, obsession with growth. Well known fact that population growth is the root cause of pretty much every single problem facing the world and reaches far far deeper than monetarily. So the issue shouldn't be focused on
economic growth for a growing population (which invariably ends up in the hands of the already wealthy and so the disparity makes society as a whole a worse place, or put another way 'poorer') it should focus on maintaining population levels (or in our case over time reducing them a bit to manageable levels).

The best times for improved pay/conditions/rights for the majority come right after massive population decrease like plague and wars because those that are left have a better bargaining position and are more valuable to the economy.

Take a disease. If it remains in your system at a low level so it doesn't overwhelm it it can stay alive in you indefinitely. It stays alive, you stay alive - everybody happy. If it goes mad and tries to grow exponentially it will end up killing you and thus itself unless it can spread to even further areas but eventually it's going to run out of hosts and die out anyway.

I'll break it down into easier numbers for you.

Say 10 people constitute a economy. 1 of them over the period in question loses £10k. The other nine gain £1k.

90% of the population have gained wealth yet the overall economy shrank by £1k. If that 1 person was also much richer than the rest already and could comparatively afford to lose that £10k it also improves the others wealth comparatively speaking as it is likely to increase their relative purchasing power and lead to a better more even society. You might even say it would enrich society

You did it to degree level? I doubt it but I did at Warwick.

I'll make it really simple for you as you seem to not grasp the basics of population growth and per capita calculations.

There are 5 people in a group and between them they have 2 apples each meaning they have 10 apples. 5 more people join but do not bring any new new apples. This means 10 people now have to share 10 apples between them meaning they now only have 1 apple each.

The population will continue to grow even without immigration as birth rates are larger than death rates. So you need keep making the wealth in a country larger.

So basically you need to keep growing the economy and making it larger. To make it fairer you need to look at the distribution of the countries wealth.

This is without taking into account inflation that will make the economy worth less in real terms each year.


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[SeaSeeEffCee]

Reed-Mogg seems very anti Semitic having called Jewish members of his own party the illuminati. How many Tory MP’s are currently under investigation for anti Semitism?

Grendel and the right in general don’t give a shit about anti-semitism. They just use it as a device to attack the ‘lefties’.

 

[chiefdave]

There are 5 people in a group and between them they have 2 apples each meaning they have 10 apples. 5 more people join but do not bring any new new apples. This means 10 people now have to share 10 apples between them meaning they now only have 1 apple each.

Then 6 people vote for the Conservatives and 1 person has 9 apples, everyone else has to share 1 between them. :joyful:

 

[Sick Boy]

Larger numbers of deaths here today are due to around 280 being included in the figures but are actually from last month.

 

[Sick Boy]

So is yours and if Jews were on the receiving end your outrage would be very diluted because as we know racism is only defined by the left

Guess what, not all Jews are supportive of Israel’s actions and the country’s treat of Palestinians.
How anyone can claim a country’s actions are reflective of the belief of millions of people is actually quite strange.

 

[Grendel]

Grendel and the right in general don’t give a shit about anti-semitism. They just use it as a device to attack the ‘lefties’.

Im not on the right and racism certainly is t owned by a political faction

 

[Skybluefaz]

20k less tests, 9k less people tested. We continue to succeed

 

[Skybluefaz]

Yeah I’m here, I just don’t sit on this all day cause I actually have a life

Must be pretty boring now jam jam boomerang is shut though ey?

 

[chiefdave]

20k less tests, 9k less people tested. We continue to succeed

63,667 people tested yesterday, way off the 100K a day target.

 

[skybluetony176]

Guess what, not all Jews are supportive of Israel’s actions and the country’s treat of Palestinians.
How anyone can claim a country’s actions are reflective of the belief of millions of people is actually quite strange.

The minute Jews invented Zionism other Jews invented anti Zionism. Most Orthodox Jews see creation of a Jewish state in the holy land as a direct threat to god.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You did it to degree level? I doubt it but I did at Warwick.

I'll make it really simple for you as you seem to not grasp the basics of population growth and per capita calculations.

There are 5 people in a group and between them they have 2 apples each meaning they have 10 apples. 5 more people join but do not bring any new new apples. This means 10 people now have to share 10 apples between them meaning they now only have 1 apple each.

The population will continue to grow even without immigration as birth rates are larger than death rates. So you need keep making the wealth in a country larger.

So basically you need to keep growing the economy and making it larger. To make it fairer you need to look at the distribution of the countries wealth.

This is without taking into account inflation that will make the economy worth less in real terms each year.

Which only highlights how the way we work the economy (which I brought up somewhere else) is hugely flawed and people keep falling for it. Why do we use a mean average? Why not median or modal? Or just the overall figure? You can have a situation where there is less monetary value in an economy overall (i.e. negative growth/contraction) yet 99% of people, including any population growth, end up with more. So the sentence "Economic growth is needed or we all get poorer" is not actually true, even if you're only taking poorer in the very narrow sense of monetarily. It only becomes 'true' because of the use of a very limited equation in how we measure it as you pointed out.

Perhaps if they spent less time obsessing over economic growth and actually dealt with the root of the problem (population growth) they might actually make some inroads because the road they're working on is doomed to failure - the world and it's resources are not growing with us.

To be fair looking back at your original quote you did say

The issue is that GDP growth has become tired and rather outdated as a sole indicator of economic prosperity.

so we agree overall.

 

[wingy]

Which only highlights how the way we work the economy (which I brought up somewhere else) is hugely flawed and people keep falling for it. Why do we use a mean average? Why not median or modal? Or just the overall figure? You can have a situation where there is less monetary value in an economy overall (i.e. negative growth/contraction) yet 99% of people, including any population growth, end up with more. So the sentence "Economic growth is needed or we all get poorer" is not actually true, even if you're only taking poorer in the very narrow sense of monetarily. It only becomes 'true' because of the use of a very limited equation in how we measure it as you pointed out.

Perhaps if they spent less time obsessing over economic growth and actually dealt with the root of the problem (population growth) they might actually make some inroads because the road they're working on is doomed to failure - the world and it's resources are not growing with us.

To be fair looking back at your original quote you did say

so we agree overall.

We could survive with less than we currently take at the rate we take it .

 

[Ian1779]

63,667 people tested yesterday, way off the 100K a day target.

They emailed 50,000 people about getting a test so that 113K - top work!!

Priti is doing the numbers tomorrow so it should be smashed and then some...

 

[David O'Day]

Which only highlights how the way we work the economy (which I brought up somewhere else) is hugely flawed and people keep falling for it. Why do we use a mean average? Why not median or modal? Or just the overall figure? You can have a situation where there is less monetary value in an economy overall (i.e. negative growth/contraction) yet 99% of people, including any population growth, end up with more. So the sentence "Economic growth is needed or we all get poorer" is not actually true, even if you're only taking poorer in the very narrow sense of monetarily. It only becomes 'true' because of the use of a very limited equation in how we measure it as you pointed out.

Perhaps if they spent less time obsessing over economic growth and actually dealt with the root of the problem (population growth) they might actually make some inroads because the road they're working on is doomed to failure - the world and it's resources are not growing with us.

To be fair looking back at your original quote you did say

so we agree overall.

No what you are failing to grasp is you can not stop population growth and inflation.

So if the economy doesn't grow everyone will be poorer in real terms as population growth and interest don't stop.

Basically even of you have a perfectly equal society where everyone takes on the same about this amount will get smaller with out economic growth as the pot will be the same but there will be more people to share it with and the cost of goods will still increase with inflation.

Yes society is unfair but the economy growing yearly isn't the issue.

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[David O'Day]

63,667 people tested yesterday, way off the 100K a day target.

A target they have never hit as of yet

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[David O'Day]

Then 6 people vote for the Conservatives and 1 person has 9 apples, everyone else has to share 1 between them. :joyful:

The Matt Hancock version

If 5 people all had 2 apples each there would be 75 apples

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

They emailed 50,000 people about getting a test so that 113K - top work!!

Priti is doing the numbers tomorrow so it should be smashed and then some...

If it's like her previous effort we'll have tested more people than have ever lived, which is some going!

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

No what you are failing to grasp is you can not stop population growth and inflation.

So if the economy doesn't grow everyone will be poorer in real terms as population growth and interest don't stop.

Basically even of you have a perfectly equal society where everyone takes on the same about this amount will get smaller with out economic growth as the pot will be the same but there will be more people to share it with and the cost of goods will still increase with inflation.

Yes society is unfair but the economy growing yearly isn't the issue.

The economy growing isn't the issue but chasing a growing economy rather than dealing with the actual problem that means we need it is.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Deflection and whataboutery - always the same

Don't even start G that's you all over

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

It’s ok doing the test but they are failing to get the results back to you quickly enough, I had my test on Friday night at 6pm and I am still waiting for the results

 

[Ian1779]

It’s ok doing the test but they are failing to get the results back to you quickly enough, I had my test on Friday night at 6pm and I am still waiting for the results

Did they give you any indication of turn around time when you did it?

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Did they give you any indication of turn around time when you did it?

48 hours

As my wife is a nurse she went to the hospital today to get hers done and they have said it will ready Monday morning latest, they also did hers a lot different than mine and she reckons mine will prove inconclusive.