Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (11 Viewers)

David O'Day

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I was pondering why this latest virus name has no reference to Wuhan or China though......I mean we've had the Spanish flu, MERS, SARS, Ebola etc......why is it not called Wuhan-19 or China-crisis for example?
Because the WHO have moved away from names like that as they are not helpful and like spanish flu usually very wrong.

SARS is severe acute respiratory syndrome so not a geographical names

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David O'Day

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Anyway lads we now have highest number of deaths in Europe.

Go UK

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skybluetony176

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You have any evidence on this?
It’s the history of this virus type. Swine flu, bird flu, SARS etc etc. They all started in the human race when they jumped from another species by either consumption or close contact to the animal through farming or preparation of the dead animal for consumption. Vets who work with cattle, slaughter men and farmers in this country on a fairly regular basis catch bovine TB for instance. It only has to mutate once in the right/wrong direction and we have a new strain of bovine TB that’s contagious and deadly to humans becoming a worldwide pandemic. If that starts in the U.K. and the government take the same lame response as they have with this pandemic should the world sue us?
 

Ring Of Steel

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Anyway lads we now have highest number of deaths in Europe.

Go UK

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Is it any surprise

"One of the documents just released could raise an awkward question for Prime Minister Boris Johnson. It spells out how behavioural scientists were advising the UK government to stop people shaking hands or hugging.

They cite "evidence about the importance of hand hygiene,” in their report of 3 March.

“A public message against shaking hands has additional value as a signal about the importance of hand hygiene.

“Promoting a replacement greeting or encouraging others to politely decline a proffered hand-shake may have benefit.”

Yet on that very day, at the daily government briefing, Mr Johnson declared that he was continuing to shake hands with people.

He described how he was “at a hospital the other night” where there were coronavirus patients and he “shook hands with everybody, you’ll be pleased to know - and I continue to shake hands”.
 

Ian1779

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As the yanks are potentially responsible for the 1918 spanish flu pandemic I'd love to see the compensation bill for that one.



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Bet Mexico can’t wait for Trump to proclaim they have to pick up that bill too.
 

skybluetony176

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lots of ordinary working people lost their jobs as a result of the 2008 banking crisis, not only that, they ended up footing the bill via austerity!
A quick look through Google suggests there's no mechanism in international law for suing a country responsible for a pandemic. if the States pursue it it will just be down to geopolitical cock waving.

Meanwhile the rest of us are just going to have to get on with it and lets be honest no one is going to formally censure China in any big way. You work for Land Rover, if your order bank from China goes through the roof in the next year you're going to say thank you very much, build 'em and ship 'em, and why the fuck wouldn't you?
The 2008 crash happened because of the toxic mortgage crisis in the US. Maybe the world should sue the US for that one.
 

shmmeee

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I was pondering why this latest virus name has no reference to Wuhan or China though......I mean we've had the Spanish flu, MERS, SARS, Ebola etc......why is it not called Wuhan-19 or China-crisis for example?

Spanish flu was 100 years ago, WHO naming guidance has been to not associate with a place or animal for some time as it confuses the issue and leads to people making incorrect assumptions about its spread. Plus racism. As this thread nicely demonstrates.

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/163636/WHO_HSE_FOS_15.1_eng.pdf

It’s proper name is SARS-CoV-2, “SARS” was SARS-CoV-1.

SARS means “severe acute respiratory syndrome”, CoV means coronavirus. So this is the second coronavirus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome.

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skybluetony176

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Your totally missing the point. China tried to cover this up but fucked up. It's a bit different to foot and mouth from 20 years ago.
Actually there was plenty of evidence of coverups at every level from farmers trying to hide it, slaughter houses trying to hide it, inspectors failing to follow procedures properly in an attempt to hide the severity and according to the conservatives who were in opposition at the time the coverup went all the way to Tony Blair. By pure luck it was neither as contagious or serious to humans as Covid 19 but to suggest that we didn’t as a country and individuals didn’t down play it down or cover it up is just plain wrong. The history is very well documented.
 
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skybluetony176

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How many thousands did it kill?
Through suicide or austerity? Not sure on suicide but austerity has been blamed for up to 130000 preventable deaths in this country alone. So at the moment if you want to measure it the 2008 recession caused by the US toxic mortgage crisis is responsible for more deaths in the U.K. than Covid 19.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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The moral indignation is amazing.

We kill an estimated 29 million people in the name of colonisation, take £billions away from India, invent concentration camps, wipe out entire populations, steal their wealth & artefacts, take their land- we have no comment to make. The Chinese lose control of a virus and it spreads throughout the world, and we make an utter fuck up of dealing with it- boycott China, sue them, how dare they, they're evil, it was on purpose, lets get them back, while the Chinese snigger at the stupidity & then get back to work doing what they do best.

We are the last nation on earth who has any right to be dictating the wrongs that any other country has committed (with USA rapidly catching up on the rails).

Nothing is going to change.
Do you feel cleansed for this typical rant you inevitably revert to ? Does it make you feel that you're giving something back for all the wrongs our country has done compared to every other nation ? Or are you just on your high horse yet again ?
Don't forget the winking imoji .
 

Ian1779

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Do you feel cleansed for this typical rant you inevitably revert to ? Does it make you feel that you're giving something back for all the wrongs our country has done compared to every other nation ? Or are you just on your high horse yet again ?
Don't forget the winking imoji .

He has a point though - the only people that are talking about ‘punishing China’ are idiots, populists and fascists..... which would make an interesting Venn diagram.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Seems to me everyone’s seeing what they want in this crisis.

Environmentalists saying well all work from home and reduce consumption: not going to happen

Technologists saying well all do remote work and online learning: not going to happen

Left wingers pushing UBI: not going to happen

Isolationists pushing reduced globalisation: not going to happen.

The economic forces driving all those things will still exist post virus.

Except UBI would have been a simpler and more effective way of protecting workers. Not necessarily in favour of it permanently though
 

SkyBlueCharlie9

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I drove for first time in 7 weeks yesterday to collect files from office - the M20 was busy with loads of cars and non stop flow continental of HGVs flowing in both directions. Noticed many more planes flying from Gatwick too this week Our weak partial lockdown is well and truly over.
 

skybluetony176

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I was pondering why this latest virus name has no reference to Wuhan or China though......I mean we've had the Spanish flu, MERS, SARS, Ebola etc......why is it not called Wuhan-19 or China-crisis for example?
I don’t think Spanish flu is officially called Spanish flu. IIRC from school history lessons there was reporting bans on in countries involved in WW1 and Spain was neutral so British papers particularly reported on the flu pandemic from the angle of how it was effecting Spain as they couldn’t report on how it was effecting the U.K. or US as it was a state secret as it was seen as detrimental to the war effort. Hence the phrase Spanish Flu was coined.
 
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I drove for first time in 7 weeks yesterday to collect files from office - the M20 was busy with loads of cars and non stop flow continental of HGVs flowing in both directions. Noticed many more planes flying from Gatwick too this week Our weak partial lockdown is well and truly over.
The murmerings are we'll be back soon. Try as I might, I can't see how we're essential... although tbf who wants to argue their employment is totally inessential!
 

David O'Day

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I don’t think Spanish flu is officially called Spanish flu. IIRC from school history lessons there was reporting bans on in countries involved in WW1 and Spain was neutral so British papers particularly reported on the flu pandemic from the angle of how it was effecting Spain as they couldn’t report on how it was effecting the U.K. or US as it was a state secret as it was seen as detrimental to the war effort. Hence the phrase Spanish Flu was coined.
It was the spanish newspapers reporting on the cases in their country and it's mortality rate. Plus their king almost died of it.

It definitely hit the us, uk, france and germany first

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Ring Of Steel

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Do you feel cleansed for this typical rant you inevitably revert to ? Does it make you feel that you're giving something back for all the wrongs our country has done compared to every other nation ? Or are you just on your high horse yet again ?
Don't forget the winking imoji .

None of the above, just pointing out facts. You may not like it but you need to face up to it. We are not the innocent bystanders that some people would like to make out we are.

You know- I don't get why this is not obvious- but it is very easily possible to be very proud of this country for many things, and also be aware that other things we did were evil & murderous. It doesn't have to be all one of the other, you can have both. Whether on balance we have been a force for good is not up to me to decide- I think so personally, but that doesn't mean I'm going to just pretend other things never happened which caused death & poverty all over the planet, up to you if thats the way you want to act.
 

skybluetony176

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It was the spanish newspapers reporting on the cases in their country and it's mortality rate. Plus their king almost died of it.

It definitely hit the us, uk, france and germany first

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Now you say that I think you’re exactly right. I’m trying to stretch my mind back 35 years and failing.
 

shmmeee

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Except UBI would have been a simpler and more effective way of protecting workers. Not necessarily in favour of it permanently though

I am in favour of it permanently and agree it’d be a good short term measure. I’m referring to those who claim the case has been made for it permanently. My point is that the crisis throw up lots of short term measures that make sense or are emotionally satisfying but in reality aren’t likely to stick around post crisis.
 

Astute

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He has a point though - the only people that are talking about ‘punishing China’ are idiots, populists and fascists..... which would make an interesting Venn diagram.
China will be punished. But not in the way many want.

Too many people seem to be using the virus to push forward an agenda instead of considering the consequences of the virus. Tens of millions of people minimum are going to lose their livelihoods. Many of those already struggling will end up in a really bad situation. Many of those doing well will suddenly be in the shit. Untold billions are being thrown at the problem in the UK alone and it won't be enough. But I think we will be better off than most. Worldwide people will be skint. No job no prospects.

Then consider how many buy from China. Or look at countries that depend on motor manufacturing like Germany. What can they do to keep it going?

Life is changing forever. And how we deal with it should be the only agenda.
 

Ring Of Steel

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China will be punished. But not in the way many want.

Too many people seem to be using the virus to push forward an agenda instead of considering the consequences of the virus. Tens of millions of people minimum are going to lose their livelihoods. Many of those already struggling will end up in a really bad situation. Many of those doing well will suddenly be in the shit. Untold billions are being thrown at the problem in the UK alone and it won't be enough. But I think we will be better off than most. Worldwide people will be skint. No job no prospects.

Then consider how many buy from China. Or look at countries that depend on motor manufacturing like Germany. What can they do to keep it going?

Life is changing forever. And how we deal with it should be the only agenda.

I actually agree with that. However I'd like to add the conclusion of the League One season to the agenda please.
 

Astute

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I am in favour of it permanently and agree it’d be a good short term measure. I’m referring to those who claim the case has been made for it permanently. My point is that the crisis throw up lots of short term measures that make sense or are emotionally satisfying but in reality aren’t likely to stick around post crisis.
If those short term measures are not extended the figures given out for Brexit will be a drop in the ocean.
 

Ring Of Steel

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Jesus. It’s The Reg so this gets a bit technical but good article on the mess the government is making of the contact tracing app:

UK finds itself almost alone with centralized virus contact-tracing app that probably won't work well, asks for your location, may be illegal

Not surprising when I think 8 of the 18 contracts were given to the Vote Leave data analysts, the Cambridge Analytica crew. You'd need to be a bit naive to download that and not expect to have your data used for nefarious means. And funnily enough its very similar to the one they tried to roll out in USA where it sneakily asked for your permission to access all data on your phone, forever.
 

Astute

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Theyd still be short term though. Not a new normal
They don't need extending forever. Might be needed for a couple of years or more though. But it is sure going to be a shit roller coaster ride.
 

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