Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (236 Viewers)

clint van damme · May 5, 2020

The coventrian said:
I know the reality. I've been at home since March the 23rd. Undoubtedly there will be job losses. I just think it's a disgrace that people will be losing their livelihoods through no fault of their own.

lots of ordinary working people lost their jobs as a result of the 2008 banking crisis, not only that, they ended up footing the bill via austerity!
A quick look through Google suggests there's no mechanism in international law for suing a country responsible for a pandemic. if the States pursue it it will just be down to geopolitical cock waving.

Meanwhile the rest of us are just going to have to get on with it and lets be honest no one is going to formally censure China in any big way. You work for Land Rover, if your order bank from China goes through the roof in the next year you're going to say thank you very much, build 'em and ship 'em, and why the fuck wouldn't you?

Ring Of Steel · May 5, 2020

clint van damme said:
lots of ordinary working people lost their jobs as a result of the 2008 banking crisis, not only that, they ended up footing the bill via austerity!
A quick look through Google suggests there's no mechanism in international law for suing a country responsible for a pandemic. if the States pursue it it will just be down to geopolitical cock waving.

Meanwhile the rest of us are just going to have to get on with it and lets be honest no one is going to formally censure China in any big way. You work for Land Rover, if your order bank from China goes through the roof in the next year you're going to say thank you very much, build 'em and ship 'em, and why the fuck wouldn't you?

I'm sure Coventrian is a man of principle, and will protest loudly at any sales heading to China.

David O'Day · May 5, 2020

clint van damme said:
lots of ordinary working people lost their jobs as a result of the 2008 banking crisis, not only that, they ended up footing the bill via austerity!
A quick look through Google suggests there's no mechanism in international law for suing a country responsible for a pandemic. if the States pursue it it will just be down to geopolitical cock waving.

Meanwhile the rest of us are just going to have to get on with it and lets be honest no one is going to formally censure China in any big way. You work for Land Rover, if your order bank from China goes through the roof in the next year you're going to say thank you very much, build 'em and ship 'em, and why the fuck wouldn't you?

And any actions the us tries to take against Chinese exports will just be paid by the us consumers

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skybluetony176 · May 5, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
If we're looking for countries to foot the bill for damage caused, I look forward to Boris rolling out a reparations schedule starting with India and Kenya, just as phase one of making things right for the amount of people this country has murdered down the years.

Greece might get the Elgin marbles back, Egypt might get all their stuff back from all the British museums that was stolen from Egypt. The list of pilfered goods sat in British museums is endless.

shmmeee · May 5, 2020

Seems to me everyone’s seeing what they want in this crisis.

Environmentalists saying well all work from home and reduce consumption: not going to happen

Technologists saying well all do remote work and online learning: not going to happen

Left wingers pushing UBI: not going to happen

Isolationists pushing reduced globalisation: not going to happen.

The economic forces driving all those things will still exist post virus.

clint van damme · May 5, 2020

David O'Day said:
And any actions the us tries to take against Chinese exports will just be paid by the us consumers

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wouldn't be surprised if Trump, (or even Biden for that matter), make a big noise about it during the election campaign with no real appetite to actually pursue it.

skybluetony176 · May 5, 2020

clint van damme said:
Has anyone ever paid compensation for a pandemic that originated in their country?
The Yanks are pushing for it but they've been responsible for two pandemics themselves and I'm fairly sure they never paid out compensation.

Spanish flu is one of them. Don’t let the name fool you.

David O'Day · May 5, 2020

clint van damme said:
wouldn't be surprised if Trump, (or even Biden for that matter), make a big noise about it during the election campaign with no real appetite to actually pursue it.

All they can really do is increase tariffs which are just passed on to the end consumer making things more expensive.

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The coventrian · May 5, 2020

clint van damme said:
lots of ordinary working people lost their jobs as a result of the 2008 banking crisis, not only that, they ended up footing the bill via austerity!
A quick look through Google suggests there's no mechanism in international law for suing a country responsible for a pandemic. if the States pursue it it will just be down to geopolitical cock waving.

Meanwhile the rest of us are just going to have to get on with it and lets be honest no one is going to formally censure China in any big way. You work for Land Rover, if your order bank from China goes through the roof in the next year you're going to say thank you very much, build 'em and ship 'em, and why the fuck wouldn't you?

Ultimately you've got to look after yourself as nobody else will. I would like to see us rely less on the east and Europe for parts and start making them here again. It's the old problem of cost though and greedy shareholders wanting everything done on a shoestring.

skybluetony176 · May 5, 2020

The coventrian said:
Havent a clue. This is a bit different though surely? The world has come to a standstill through the Chinese not being honest. I just thought in an ideal world people who've lost loved ones who they're dependent on,jobs,homes could have some kind of compensation to help them out.

China not being honest as soon as they could have been is irrelevant to a certain extent. When a virus this menacing gets out it’s out. The only thing that’s changed is the timescale not the actual outcome. As I’ve already pointed out Cheltenham was cancelled in the 2001 foot and mouth crisis but this government let it go ahead. Should anyone who contracted it at Cheltenham sue the government for taking lesser action than they did 19 years ago against less contagious and less dangerous virus?

David O'Day · May 5, 2020

It just surprises me how many people who claim to work in business don't gave a scoobies how it works

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Ring Of Steel · May 5, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
Greece might get the Elgin marbles back, Egypt might get all their stuff back from all the British museums that was stolen from Egypt. The list of pilfered goods sat in British museums is endless.

The moral indignation is amazing.

We kill an estimated 29 million people in the name of colonisation, take £billions away from India, invent concentration camps, wipe out entire populations, steal their wealth & artefacts, take their land- we have no comment to make. The Chinese lose control of a virus and it spreads throughout the world, and we make an utter fuck up of dealing with it- boycott China, sue them, how dare they, they're evil, it was on purpose, lets get them back, while the Chinese snigger at the stupidity & then get back to work doing what they do best.

We are the last nation on earth who has any right to be dictating the wrongs that any other country has committed (with USA rapidly catching up on the rails).

Nothing is going to change.

The coventrian · May 5, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
China not being honest as soon as they could have been is irrelevant to a certain extent. When a virus this menacing gets out it’s out. The only thing that’s changed is the timescale not the actual outcome. As I’ve already pointed out Cheltenham was cancelled in the 2001 foot and mouth crisis but this government let it go ahead. Should anyone who contracted it at Cheltenham sue the government for taking lesser action than they did 19 years ago against less contagious and less dangerous virus?

Your totally missing the point. China tried to cover this up but fucked up. It's a bit different to foot and mouth from 20 years ago.

skybluetony176 · May 5, 2020

The coventrian said:
Did foot and mouth bring the world to a standstill?

Irrelevant. In your train of thought we caused it therefore every country who fell foul to it should be suing us.

Ring Of Steel · May 5, 2020

The coventrian said:
Your totally missing the point. China tried to cover this up but fucked up. It's a bit different to foot and mouth from 20 years ago.

ok lets get down to brass tacks then. Why don't you draw up a list of reparations each country now has to make to even things up for the offences they've committed against the rest of the world.

jimmyhillsfanclub · May 5, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
Spanish flu is one of them. Don’t let the name fool you.

I was pondering why this latest virus name has no reference to Wuhan or China though......I mean we've had the Spanish flu, MERS, SARS, Ebola etc......why is it not called Wuhan-19 or China-crisis for example?

Ring Of Steel · May 5, 2020

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I was pondering why this latest virus name has no reference to Wuhan or China though......I mean we've had the Spanish flu, MERS, SARS, Ebola etc......why is it not called Wuhan-19 or China-crisis for example?

Going by this thread at the moment "foreigner flu" would probably be the most apt name.

David O'Day · May 5, 2020

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I was pondering why this latest virus name has no reference to Wuhan or China though......I mean we've had the Spanish flu, MERS, SARS, Ebola etc......why is it not called Wuhan-19 or China-crisis for example?

Because the WHO have moved away from names like that as they are not helpful and like spanish flu usually very wrong.

SARS is severe acute respiratory syndrome so not a geographical names

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David O'Day · May 5, 2020

Anyway lads we now have highest number of deaths in Europe.

Go UK

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Ian1779 · May 5, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Quite. Perhaps we should retrospectively pay all those indiginous populations who we wiped out by spreading our western diseases.

The Empire was glorious and beyond reproach.... honestly.

skybluetony176 · May 5, 2020

Astute said:
You have any evidence on this?

It’s the history of this virus type. Swine flu, bird flu, SARS etc etc. They all started in the human race when they jumped from another species by either consumption or close contact to the animal through farming or preparation of the dead animal for consumption. Vets who work with cattle, slaughter men and farmers in this country on a fairly regular basis catch bovine TB for instance. It only has to mutate once in the right/wrong direction and we have a new strain of bovine TB that’s contagious and deadly to humans becoming a worldwide pandemic. If that starts in the U.K. and the government take the same lame response as they have with this pandemic should the world sue us?

Ring Of Steel · May 5, 2020

David O'Day said:
Anyway lads we now have highest number of deaths in Europe.

Go UK

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Is it any surprise

"One of the documents just released could raise an awkward question for Prime Minister Boris Johnson. It spells out how behavioural scientists were advising the UK government to stop people shaking hands or hugging.

They cite "evidence about the importance of hand hygiene,” in their report of 3 March.

“A public message against shaking hands has additional value as a signal about the importance of hand hygiene.

“Promoting a replacement greeting or encouraging others to politely decline a proffered hand-shake may have benefit.”

Yet on that very day, at the daily government briefing, Mr Johnson declared that he was continuing to shake hands with people.

He described how he was “at a hospital the other night” where there were coronavirus patients and he “shook hands with everybody, you’ll be pleased to know - and I continue to shake hands”.

jimmyhillsfanclub · May 5, 2020

David O'Day said:
Because the WHO have moved away from names like that as they are not helpful and like spanish flu usually very wrong.

SARS is severe acute respiratory syndrome so not a geographical names

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Fair enough....makes sense.

Ian1779 · May 5, 2020

David O'Day said:
As the yanks are potentially responsible for the 1918 spanish flu pandemic I'd love to see the compensation bill for that one.

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Bet Mexico can’t wait for Trump to proclaim they have to pick up that bill too.

skybluetony176 · May 5, 2020

clint van damme said:
lots of ordinary working people lost their jobs as a result of the 2008 banking crisis, not only that, they ended up footing the bill via austerity!
A quick look through Google suggests there's no mechanism in international law for suing a country responsible for a pandemic. if the States pursue it it will just be down to geopolitical cock waving.

Meanwhile the rest of us are just going to have to get on with it and lets be honest no one is going to formally censure China in any big way. You work for Land Rover, if your order bank from China goes through the roof in the next year you're going to say thank you very much, build 'em and ship 'em, and why the fuck wouldn't you?

The 2008 crash happened because of the toxic mortgage crisis in the US. Maybe the world should sue the US for that one.

shmmeee · May 5, 2020

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I was pondering why this latest virus name has no reference to Wuhan or China though......I mean we've had the Spanish flu, MERS, SARS, Ebola etc......why is it not called Wuhan-19 or China-crisis for example?

Spanish flu was 100 years ago, WHO naming guidance has been to not associate with a place or animal for some time as it confuses the issue and leads to people making incorrect assumptions about its spread. Plus racism. As this thread nicely demonstrates.

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/163636/WHO_HSE_FOS_15.1_eng.pdf

It’s proper name is SARS-CoV-2, “SARS” was SARS-CoV-1.

SARS means “severe acute respiratory syndrome”, CoV means coronavirus. So this is the second coronavirus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome.

Edit: beaten

The coventrian · May 5, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
The 2008 crash happened because of the toxic mortgage crisis in the US. Maybe the world should sue the US for that one.

How many thousands did it kill?

shmmeee · May 5, 2020

The coventrian said:
How many thousands did it kill?

Estimates of 120,000 people in this country alone. Though technically that was the government response to the crisis rather than directly.

Source: Health and social care spending cuts linked to 120,000 excess deaths in England | BMJ

clint van damme · May 5, 2020

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I was pondering why this latest virus name has no reference to Wuhan or China though......I mean we've had the Spanish flu, MERS, SARS, Ebola etc......why is it not called Wuhan-19 or China-crisis for example?

Spanish flu originated in Kansas!

David O'Day · May 5, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
The 2008 crash happened because of the toxic mortgage crisis in the US. Maybe the world should sue the US for that one.

Aye the repeal of glass steagal casedthat crash. Something that can directly be linked to the us Congress

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David O'Day · May 5, 2020

The coventrian said:
How many thousands did it kill?

About 200k in the uk due to austerity

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skybluetony176 · May 5, 2020

The coventrian said:
Your totally missing the point. China tried to cover this up but fucked up. It's a bit different to foot and mouth from 20 years ago.

Actually there was plenty of evidence of coverups at every level from farmers trying to hide it, slaughter houses trying to hide it, inspectors failing to follow procedures properly in an attempt to hide the severity and according to the conservatives who were in opposition at the time the coverup went all the way to Tony Blair. By pure luck it was neither as contagious or serious to humans as Covid 19 but to suggest that we didn’t as a country and individuals didn’t down play it down or cover it up is just plain wrong. The history is very well documented.

skybluetony176 · May 5, 2020

The coventrian said:
How many thousands did it kill?

Through suicide or austerity? Not sure on suicide but austerity has been blamed for up to 130000 preventable deaths in this country alone. So at the moment if you want to measure it the 2008 recession caused by the US toxic mortgage crisis is responsible for more deaths in the U.K. than Covid 19.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · May 5, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
The moral indignation is amazing.

We kill an estimated 29 million people in the name of colonisation, take £billions away from India, invent concentration camps, wipe out entire populations, steal their wealth & artefacts, take their land- we have no comment to make. The Chinese lose control of a virus and it spreads throughout the world, and we make an utter fuck up of dealing with it- boycott China, sue them, how dare they, they're evil, it was on purpose, lets get them back, while the Chinese snigger at the stupidity & then get back to work doing what they do best.

We are the last nation on earth who has any right to be dictating the wrongs that any other country has committed (with USA rapidly catching up on the rails).

Nothing is going to change.

Do you feel cleansed for this typical rant you inevitably revert to ? Does it make you feel that you're giving something back for all the wrongs our country has done compared to every other nation ? Or are you just on your high horse yet again ?
Don't forget the winking imoji .

David O'Day · May 5, 2020

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Do you feel cleansed for this typical rant you inevitably revert to ? Does it make you feel that you're giving something back for all the wrongs our country has done compared to every other nation ? Or are you just on your high horse yet again ?
Don't forget the winking imoji .

The irony

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